War in Korea and US Ammo Prices

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If the PRC wants to re-take the territory of North Korea so badly, why haven't they been inching towards that goal since the end of the Korean war rather than distancing themselves from them? What benefit would China gain from holding that half of the peninsula?
 
nathan said:
American intel says the city of Seoul will be wiped out in less than 72 hrs from the 1400 or more big artillery and rockets aimed at them from across the DMZ. They should have moved their capital farther down a long time ago . This is a disaster waiting to happen.

It was said of the late Kim the granddad that he wanted to see Seoul in flames in a 2nd Korean War. The son who passed away passed on that dream to the young Kim.
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Oh yeah?
Well my Dad told his grandpa to screw off!
lol....
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a full out war in Korea has far bigger consequences than ammo prices here for recreational shooting. trust me... in that case ammo prices are your least concern...

world economy, stock market, your 401k and and and are far more important in that scenario
 
The problem I see with giving NK to china is who is to say that they don't want more or wouldn't try to take more. What happens when/if china decides it wants SK also? Seems like an inevitable war either way. Or do we just step aside and let china have that also?
 
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CmdrSlander said:
I thank him for his service. My grandpa volunteered to serve during Korea but ended up an MP in Japan and never saw combat.
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Well, I'd thank him for you but he passed away in Jan 2000.
He was a great guy.
I always wondered during my own stays in Korea if I just may happen to be standing in a very same spot he did long before.
It was weird, yet comforting sort of in some strange way.
 
China doesn't like Un's over-the-top antics any better than we do. I doubt we'd see US troops leading an assault onto DPRK soil. Un lived and went to school in Europe so he has to have some idea of just how bad things are in his country relative to the rest of the world and that his chances of "winning" a full-scale military confrontation have to be next to nil. Hopefully this outward military posturing is more about an internal power struggle than an honest belief that they can prevail in an overt military conflict with RoK and its allies.
 
Lets see, we have Iran and Syria to confront with . NK is trying to distract us from concentrating on Iran who they shared nuke tech. This is a well orchestrated move by the young Kim .

While our war in Afghanistan is still far from over. So more world troubles like these it does affect ammo supply and world market stock exchanges. We hope this will die down and more sensible talk does follow.
 
The North Koreans have no fuel. Most of you massively overstate the abilities of the North Korean army. There would be tens of thousands of casualties in Soul, probably within 48 hours of the war. But it would be over far faster than most think. My guess is if the North crossed the DMZ tomorrow, the humanitarian mission would start by the middle of May.
 
NK desperately wants to get China so scared of impending war they'll beef up NK as a precaution, which will drastically stabilize the current governement's standing and resources.

NK doesn't want war; any winner will be sick of their nonsense and replace the Kim regime.

China doesn't want war, as 100,000 refugees is, for some reason, the straw that kills the camel in a country of 2.5 billion (or whatever it's up to now. I think this refugee thing is a longstanding fear from the fifties when such an influx would have actually destabilized Mao's regime. Nowadays, it would merely be a massive cost to the government).

The US/SK don't want to take over NK, since integrating that country from the stone-age to modern standards would ruin the economies of both. Neither the US nor the Chinese want eachother's troops mustered against the same border; total recipe for WWIII.

So why the saber rattling? It's the only way for the North to get what it wants; more money, modern equipment, better Chinese backing (the PRC has been getting on bad terms with DPRK after this latest bomb test; what NK wants now is for China to circle their wagons around them and once again guarantee protection and support of the Kim regime), and renewed legitimacy for their military leadership. Hostages could only get them a photo-op with Bill Clinton, so now they're upping the ante. And we've obliged by deploying strategic bombers :banghead:

If the North were to commit, it would be suicide. Meaning that if they did so, they would not seek to claim territory, but to inflict as many casulties on SK and US forces as possible. As well as to settle the long-standing grudge with Japan. They would likely fire artillery and rockets in all directions and rapidly conflagrate the whole damn area--it would be far from over quickly. But this all becomes moot when the DPRK develops an ICBM, which they will if their government remains in power for another few years. Before, we marginalized them because we could not invade; with an ICBM we would have to accept their foul little dictatorship.

There would be tens of thousands of casualties in Soul, probably within 48 hours of the war.
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Try hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Dense cities, tall buildings, and 50,000 artillery rounds pre-zeroed with a list of targets. The South could not possibly act fast enough to prevent this devastation. The North has had a tactical nuke aimed at Seoul for fifty years now, and the South has refused to move the city as an act of defiance.

TCB
 
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We got the DMZ pretty much mined with field s of fire in all directions. THe NK s will not gamble in breaking through. If SHTF happens, it be an artillery barrage and missile strikes of which both can be deadly as they are pretty much zeroed their targets. Both sides have very thick concrete bunker complexes so not much of casualties as both are very prepared. We have the advantages of aircover and precision strike s and we can obliterate their bunker s with bunker busters.
 
barnbwt said:
NK desperately wants to get China so scared of impending war they'll beef up NK as a precaution, which will drastically stabilize the current governement's standing and resources.

NK doesn't want war; any winner will be sick of their nonsense and replace the Kim regime.

China doesn't want war, as 100,000 refugees is, for some reason, the straw that kills the camel in a country of 2.5 billion (or whatever it's up to now. I think this refugee thing is a longstanding fear from the fifties when such an influx would have actually destabilized Mao's regime. Nowadays, it would merely be a massive cost to the government).

The US/SK don't want to take over NK, since integrating that country from the stone-age to modern standards would ruin the economies of both. Neither the US nor the Chinese want eachother's troops mustered against the same border; total recipe for WWIII.

So why the saber rattling? It's the only way for the North to get what it wants; more money, modern equipment, better Chinese backing (the PRC has been getting on bad terms with DPRK after this latest bomb test; what NK wants now is for China to circle their wagons around them and once again guarantee protection and support of the Kim regime), and renewed legitimacy for their military leadership. Hostages could only get them a photo-op with Bill Clinton, so now they're upping the ante. And we've obliged by deploying strategic bombers :banghead:

If the North were to commit, it would be suicide. Meaning that if they did so, they would not seek to claim territory, but to inflict as many casulties on SK and US forces as possible. As well as to settle the long-standing grudge with Japan. They would likely fire artillery and rockets in all directions and rapidly conflagrate the whole damn area--it would be far from over quickly. But this all becomes moot when the DPRK develops an ICBM, which they will if their government remains in power for another few years. Before, we marginalized them because we could not invade; with an ICBM we would have to accept their foul little dictatorship.


Try hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Dense cities, tall buildings, and 50,000 artillery rounds pre-zeroed with a list of targets. The South could not possibly act fast enough to prevent this devastation. The North has had a tactical nuke aimed at Seoul for fifty years now, and the South has refused to move the city as an act of defiance.

TCB
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I agree with some of that statement, but I dont think some of it is accurate. The saber rattling is for internal politics in North Korea, not an attempt to influence external powers. Kim has to consolidate power which, in North Korea, convince the military to back him. If he came out and showed any kind of 'weakness' in the minds of the generals they would kill him in a second. The entire cult of personality is a figurehead on the back of the armed forces. Who know if Kim is as loony as the rest, but he is doing all of this to influence his own people and convince them that he should be their dear leader. China has little to do with it.

Also, North Korea does not have a strategic missile aimed at South Korea and, even if they did, certainly have not for 50 years. Unless you consider Scud technology a strategic missile. Strategic missiles are the most complicated technology in the military world. The dear leader does not possess that in any capacity.
 
I think North Korea are a bunch of woosies that won't fight and can't fight. And I think elements in North Korea and the United States are trying to whip-up hysteria. Meanwhile, factories in the Kaesong Industrial Region in North Korea continues to remain open and over 54,000 North Koreans remain dutifully producing slave-labor products for the Western World under the management of their South Korean Administrators. This whole thing is a stupid cartoon.

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To me the big risk is that an insane NK leader launches a rain of chemical weapons on Seoul and the other population centers in SK. Sure, in the end he loses. But he is perfectly capable of delivering a massive load of death on his way out. It's the poor man's nuke. It's completely doable given the short ranges involved.

As usual the target country's fate is in the hands of a madman and there's nothing really to be done about it.
 
An other point that was brought up is that NK has a surprisingly capable special operations contingent, numbering some 60,000+ strong. While this will not win their war, it has been predicted that it might cause a lot of behind the lines headaches for any powers facing NK. NK does seem to have a knack for inserting their agents into the oddest places.

As others have also pointed out, 7 decades of indoctrination has made the average NK soldier fanatical. So while they might run out of food and supplies after a week, I wouldn't expect them to break under combat anywhere as easily as the Iraqi army did in Gulf War 1 or 2. Make no mistake, in a ground war every hill would be hard fought for. At least on the up-side, after almost 10 years in Afghanistan we do have ample experience with combat on that type of terrain.

I think all said and done, its doubtful that China will let Little Kim go to war. Such a conflict would cause massive economic upheaval in the fastest growing sector of the world economy, and that is bad thing for China. China needs that 7-10% annual growth rate in its economy to keep a lid on its internal unrest. You drop its economic growth rate down to a much lower peg, and internal tensions over land rights and income inequality will easily boil over on the mainland.

As much as China doesn't wand US bases on its borders, it doubly doesn't want internal dissent to reach a fever pitch.

But, in the hypothetical that we do end up shooting at each other, I wouldn't be surprised if China steps in to create a smaller, more easily controlled North Korea with the border moved far enough north to not antagonize the south while remaining far enough south to give them breathing space and create a more docile North Korean state.
 
North Korea has a large army on paper. How it functions in real life remains to be seen.

Saddam's Republican Guard had a similar reputation. We smashed them like a brick plate through a glass window in two separate wars.
 
The whole thing would be over in a week. North Korea has zero ability to fight a prolonged war. They'll attack. South Korea will counter with a punch that will knock the north flat on its butt. More than likely, Kim will be dead in less than 24 hours, as promised by the South.

US involvement is inevitable though as we have men on the ground.

Nukes may be involved if the North has some means of transporting them, but it won't be via missiles. they'll probably cart them down to the DMZ on a donkey and set 'em off in the final throes.

it'll be messy, innocent people will die, but it won't last.
 
If N. Korea even breathes the wrong way, they would be flattened into a parking lot. THey are hungry and need money.
 
It would defininatly mean PMC ammo would be in short supply...lol. It is still a nest of bees with China behind North Korea. It would basically make the ammo supply about the same as this past January....
 
This is pretty far off topic for THR. Even with the negligible connection to the impact on the US civilian ammo supply, it's just an excuse to discuss foreign relations, world politics. and current events. And we don't do that here.
 
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