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Watching the royalty buy firearms

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by pittspilot, Jul 24, 2003.

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  1. pittspilot

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    Yesterday I wasin one of my favorite gun stores, browsing the surplus miltary stuff, when one of the guys behind the counter places on said counter, a NIB Thompson, (Whatever the new manufacturer is) complete with 30 round circular magazine.

    Now for you folks in normal states, that may not be an abnormal occurence. However, for us folks in California, you may pillage, rape and loot with minor consequences, but heaven help the individual caught with a weapon as evil as this. (yes, I know there are worse)

    So I wandered up to the counter, and listened in on the transaction while pretending to drool over the weapon. The gentleman purchasing it was more then willing to ensure that all nearby knew that he was purchasing it, and that it would go over his mantle.

    So why should this gentleman be allowed to purchase this weapon, and I not. You see, he is an Attorney General, and I am but a lowly peon. Yes, all those anti's who imagine that when we exempt law enforcement from the gun laws, that it will only mean that cops who need it get the weapons, occasionaly forget that this meaning will be stretched to include others.

    Now, let me hasten to add, before this turns into a cop bashing session, which I do not want. Remember that this is not a cop, but an AG. I hold him to higher account, since he is able to exercise more power then the common officer. And I suppose I don't really blame the gun shop since they are merely selling it. And I suppose that I don't really blame the AG, although I would have done the transaction behind closed dorrs and slunk away from the place in shame that somehow I am treated better then my fellow citizen, merely because I went to law school and got a job in the AG's office. I guess, what really gets my goat is that I am treated as a peon in this state.
     
  2. No4Mk1

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    "ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL
    BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

    After that it did not seem strange when next day the pigs who were supervising the work of the farm all carried whips in their trotters. "

    -George Orwell, London, 1946
     
  3. Pilgrim

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    Really? AG Lockyear buying an AW? I wonder how much trouble he had getting a permit to purchase?

    This information needs to be passed on to VPC and the Brady Bunch.

    You're right. Lockyear is no cop. Makes me want to :barf: when he shows up at a cop's funeral.

    Pilgrim
     
  4. .45Ruger

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    I sometimes wonder what in the world makes these people believe that they are better than regular Joe six packs. It's frustrating to have things like this happen and not be able to do anything about it.
     
  5. CWL

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    I would like to know who this AG is.

    Is he a pro-gun AG then?

    Is it even legal to import a 50-rd drum into CA?
     
  6. Mike Irwin

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    Uhm...

    Why could an attorney general be able to purchase a firearm that is banned in California? Is there an exemption due to his position?

    What happens to it when he's no longer an attorney general?
     
  7. feedthehogs

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    They do it because they know they can.

    The apathetic average citizen has empowered them to do so.

    Lazy and content with letting someone else run their life.

    The rest of us pay for it for we are the minority.

    Democracy:
    Two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner.

    Republic:
    Two wolves and a well armed sheep discussing what's for dinner.

    Its time to remind them we are a republic.
     
  8. pittspilot

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    It was an AG lawyer, not Bill Lockyear. That would have been interesting.

    I am not sure if it was a 30 round drum, or a 50 round drum, but it was a drum.

    I looked at the paperwork (yeah, sometimes I am nosy) and it said "Peace Officer Exemption"

    The gentleman had a badge that said Attorney General on it.

    Now I know why I want out of this state.

    If anyone knows anybody that needs an brand new aviation attorney (graduating next year), with aviation experience, in a gun friendly state, plase drop me a pm ;)
     
  9. waynzwld

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    Elitism at its finest! "I don't trust you ordinary "citizens" with a gun (they might be a Liberterian or Republican), but since I am one of the anointed, privilaged elite socialists, I can have anything I want." .:rolleyes:

    George Orwell tried to warn everyone
     
  10. willyjixx

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    its the common ideal that they know there not criminals but they dont know about you.

    that goes in the same boat as feinstein having a CCW. she knows shes not a criminal but its the other people............


    hypocrites in there prime
     
  11. Fly320s

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    PittsPilot,

    I think you should go public (more public than this board) about this. Yell from the rooftops.

    Seriously, call every newspaper and TV station within 200 miles of where the transaction occured. Tell them that the AG bought a gun that no other regular Joe is allowed to buy. Not just a gun but a banned evil, assualt weapon.

    I know, most media outlets won't act on the info, but one or two might.

    Some questions to get the media ball rolling:

    Is the AG required to have this gun for his job?

    Will the gun be used in his line of work?

    Did he have approval from his superiors to buy that gun using his position as a way around the law?

    Has the AG received approved, proper training on said firearm?

    Will he receive training in the future to maintain his proficiency?

    I'll bet that the answer to all of my questions is "No." If that's the case, he shouldn't have the gun.

    Let him suffer like the rest of the common folk.

    (edited to vent more)
     
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    Eliteism at it's worst plain and simple.

    Just for the record though, you can get a 10 round drum for the Thompson. I looks like the real thing but only holds ten rounds. It is all show and know go. I am not saying this is what he was buying or not I am just making an observation.

    Chris
     
  13. pittspilot

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    I have an internship that is valuable in the Government, although I will be leaving.

    I am a newly graduating law student who will soon be taking a bar exam, and will need a job to feed his two children.

    I cannot take on this type of individual without taking on significant risk. Possibly that makes me a coward, but I am not going to lead a charge wherein I turn around and find that I am alone on the battlefield against a much more powerful opponent.

    I will pick up the battle when there is a chance of winning. Going against this system is foolish.
     
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    "Peace Officer Exemption", eh? I thought that was for weapons only used in the line of duty; am I wrong? (evidently yes)

    Welcome to the American Noble Class, Your Honor!:banghead:
     
  15. Mike Irwin

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    Give the information to Jim March, and let him run with it. :evil:
     
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    You should have waited until he left the store, them mugged him. See if he described what was taken off him. If he convienently left the part about the Thompson out set the record straight.
     
  17. willyjixx

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    2 wrongs dont make a right.

    but it seems that to an AG that there Might is there Right
     
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    IIRC, the 'drum' on the 'new' Thompson is a 10 rounder. The alterrnative is a 30 rnd stick magazine (guess which I'd buy:rolleyes: ). From the ads in the gun rags, I gather that mag choice is determined by state, so the 10 rnd 'drum' may be the only choice in CA. Apparently, they aren't interchangeable.

    The gun itself is a semi-auto, so whould be copacetic except for the pistol grip forearm and the flash reducer (or is it a muzzle break?) At any rate, I'm not sure the guy is getting away with anything (tho I'm thoroughly ignorant of CA AW definitions/laws).

    I'd still be a little jealous in any event - (in best Bubba Clinto voice) "I feel your pain."
     
  19. pittspilot

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    I am certain that it was not a 10 rounder, since the guy stated that it had pre-ban capacity.

    I am also certain that Thompsons are illegal in California for regular people.

    The law

    12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

    (1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
    (A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
    (B) A thumbhole stock.
    (C) A folding or telescoping stock.
    (D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
    (E) A flash suppressor.
    (F) A forward pistol grip.

    (2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

    (3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

    It had the pistol grip, and the forward pistol grip, as well as the flash suppressor (I think)

    No matter, I am precluded from ownership, but this individual is not based solely on his employment.

    The manner in which the weapon is too be used makes not difference.

    Here is where he gopt the "right"

     
  20. brookstexas

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    Yes

    Call the media and remind them that the only time a machinegun has EVER been used in a murder was by a cop.
    Point out if there were fair standards in America that NY Councilman Davis would be alive today because he and his killer wouldn't have been exempted from metal detectors because they were "Special" also.
    BT
     
  21. willyjixx

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    well check your California Statutes then.
    i hear that alot of CAs different counties also have different rules. some allow this some allow that. the next person to question would be the store. if what they did was illegal then they should be punished right along with the AG. providing a crime was commited. maybe you can go to that AG an ask for a permit to purchase your own thompson. when he sais what for explain what you saw
     
  22. CWL

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    pittspilot,

    rather than lamenting the privileges of the 'royalty' as you say it, please state the name of the individual you saw, the date, store and county you witnessed this transfer.

    It is pointless to fan the flames on this board if you will not name a name. As a law student, you know the value of unsubstantiated rumor.

    If you want to maintain your rights as well as ours in legal ownership of firearms-and catch those violating them because of position, you should step up and let some of us research the legality of this transfer.

    If it is what you identified it to be, it is most likely an Auto Ordnance tommygun, which under CA definitions, is an assault weapon.

    You can remain anonymous if you fear personal repurcussions.
     
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    Yeah, try that. Or go to the same store and try to buy the same rifle.

    Then, write a letter to the local paper detailing everything that has happened. Hopefully, one of the more aggressive-type reporters will grab on to the story and chase it form there.

    You don't need to include your name if you are worried about the consequences.
     
  24. willyjixx

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    the only bad thing i see about that approach is that gives a lot of fuel to gun grabbers. this AG might be pro-gun. an act like that could ruin his name or his desire to .......lighten the laws a bit. i would use discretion until motives or beliefs were found.
     
  25. Standing Wolf

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    A year ago today, I was finishing packing to leave the People's Republic of California. As soon as I acquired my Colorado driver's license—$16 for ten years—I headed for a gun shop.

    I'd found a Colt Python with an eight-inch barrel at http://www.gunbroker.com while living in the P.R.C. I'd sent the seller a check, only to discover it was illegal for this commoner to "import" it. A friend suggested that for $50, an acquaintance of his who happened to be a law enforcement officer might be willing to "import" the gun for me, then sell it to me legally as one Californian to another. I was unwilling to cut legal corners, so the Python remained in Nebraska for many months until I left the P.R.C. and returned to the United States.

    It took my Colorado gun shop all of about ten minutes to process the transaction and turn my Python over to me. I'm not a peon here. I'm a citizen.
     
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