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wax slugs for 12gauge

Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by bigrico92, Feb 6, 2012.

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  1. bigrico92

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    hey guys, Ive recently stumbled across "wax slugs", and was wondering if anyone's used them on ballistics gel. Ive been looking around trying to find the lethality of them. Ive seen people shooting water jugs, phone books and all that. but im wanting to see what the spread would be like if it hit something bigger. For example: if i were to want to deer hunt with them. (i would not do with this without knowing what it would do first, its just an example) once it hit and penetrated, would the spread of the shot be enough to drop it??

    Ive made a box worth, but have not shot them yet, they will be just for fun. once i shoot them i can tell how they do if anyone interested.

    if anyone has done the ballistics gel test and has picture would you please post them, or if you have any experience with them, could you share your wisdom on what you've learned about them. thank you in advance!!
     
  2. rcmodel

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    If you are talking about solid wax slugs?
    Totally worthless for any kind of hunting or SD.

    They are the ballistic equivalent of a ping-ping ball.
    Due to very low weight and high drag, they slow down and fall out of the sky at very short range.

    If you are talking about pouring melted wax in a charge of birdshot?
    No too. The waxed shot slug will break apart in the forcing cone and choke.
    And if that don't get it, the muzzle blast coming out of the barrel will.

    If you want slug performance on game, use slugs.

    rc
     
  3. kingmt

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    I don't have any help for you but I'm interested in seeing what your playing comes up with. Maybe try freezing half of them.
     
  4. bigrico92

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    im talking about mixing the bird shot in the wax. then pouring it in at the same time. they set up nicely. and from the videos Ive been seeing they have been doing some devastating damage when it first hits. due to reverse granular impact. that's why im wondering what the ballistics are like after the punch through.

    the videos Ive been watching. it acts as a slug, even when it hits (slug size whole). but once it hits then the shot spreads. im just trying to find info on that spread.
     
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    hope i loaded the pictures right.

    in the first picture there are all the wax slugs i made. nice little bunch.

    the second. if you look closely, you can see on the second shell how they are packed like a normal load but with wax in it as well.

    on the third. the one on the left side is one with the shot in it. the one on the right i just used all wax cause i wanted to prove to myself that the wax wouldn't mess with the powder.

    the last one. is the one shell i made wax only, that was mentioned above on the third picture. i pulled out the wadding and as i thought the wax didn't didn't get past the wadding.

    so now all that's left is to go shoot them which ill try to get done this weekend.
     

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    the point of this is exactly WHAT? just to do it? It has no practical value for any purpose other than to use up some old wax in a different manner
     
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    Just because you see something on YouTube doesn't make it a good idea.

    I've noticed a very high incidence / percentage of Morons on YouTube where it comes to all things gun related.

    rc
     
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    I can't see the wax holding things together after it leaves the barrel. I do not believe that the wax is tough enough to handle all of the energy not to mention wax debris left in the barrel.

    I suppose your own testing at different ranges would be the only sure answer to your question.
     
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    Interesting. i watched the first video at the above link. One part i didn't get - he cut the tops off the shells, removed the shot, melted wax, mixed the shot with the melted wax, then spooned it back into the shells. Why not just cut off the top & slowly pour melted wax into the shell over the shot? Wouldn't it fill in between the shot & do the same thing with much less hassle?
     
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    oneounceload: its just for fun. just trying to try something new. not for serious shooting

    rcmodel: i know its most likely not a good idea. i just want to try it to see how it works.

    CMV: from what ive seen/learned is that the wax will not set up the same if you just pour it. that and not all the shot will fit back into the wadding once you've mixed it
     
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    I bet if I wasn't so lazy and put up a pattern sheet and fired a load of 7 1/2 out of a full choke 12 at that range I'd get about the same thing.
    And wouldn't be trying to clean up wads of melted candle wax all over everything. :D
     
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    JohnM: They shoot like slugs and dont break up til after they hit.
     
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    Then how come there's shot strikes all over plus wax spattered all over the place on that pan?
    Don't look to me like it stuck together very well.
     
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    +1

    It didn't do anything at all.

    A 12ga trap load at 10 feet will do just as much damage to a water jug, or a frying pan.

    He is lucky he didn't shoot his eye out when the shot came back at him out of the pan at that close range!!

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    JohnM: Donno about all the shot strikes. never seen that video before. all the ones i seen it held up til afterwards. :confused:

    but did you see the hole it put through the pan though. it was bigger than the regular slug they had put through it. :D
     
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    How'bout emersing the shot column in epoxy? That would give you a 12GA glazer slug.
     
  18. kingmt

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    I thought we were going to talk about shooting wax balls.
     
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    It's thread evolution... survival of the most interesting.
     
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    I personally like the idea of wax slugs.

    As soon as I get myself some melted candles I'm going to pump out a box of 25 just for Sh... and giggles.
     
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    you guys have fun, Ive got a box of real slugs they shot accurately past 10 feet and actually penetrate
     
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    How about those "cut shells"?
     
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    I remember the old timers doing this. They even used syrup and turpentine, if you can picture that. They didn't have the slugs or technology we have now. It all pretty much worked for what it was. For fun you should fill a 55 gallon drum with water and try one of the cut shells.

    I do like the idea of a 12ga Glaser safety slug. Do they even make one? Perhaps a compressed metal powder slug would work.
     
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    Well, it looks like they don't come apart just after exiting the barrel, at least not these in this u-tube video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOxw1BxY4wY

    Notice that they're making the "slug" separate from the shell. Must be some sort of mold.

    As for the loading practice shown in some other videos on u-tube, somebody is going to destroy a shotty. You just don't take apart a shell, add weight to the payload, then expect everything to be safe. Those federal game loads use the cheapest components they can find, so they can sell them at wally world at the lowest price. Add pressure to a weak case design, you'll have problems.

    It would be like working up a safe load for 150 grain 30-06 bullets, then substituting a 180 grain bullet without reducing the powder.

    These COULD be safely fired if you were to do it on a RE-loading basis. Worked up to a certain velocity level with careful increments of powder under consistent weight "slugs", could yield an effective load.

    As to the terminal performance of the wax and pellets, on hard objects like computer hard drives, they seem to poke through pretty well. BUT shooting a game animal that you want to eat would mean constantly picking shot out of the meat as you are eating it. I'd hate to get hit by that "slug", so as a survival or SHTF scenario, it may have merit.

    Paraffin wax is very brittle. Those G-mokes were using candle wax. Most big candles are made of a wax blend that's a lot softer than paraffin. So I suspect that RC nailed it that the "slug" would break up in the bore or soon after leaving the barrel.
     
  25. SEE IT LIKE A NATIVE

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    I believe you can get specialty slugs made of sintered metal , that are used by police to blow hinges and lock sets off when they do a forced entry ! Kevin
     
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