Way to go Taurus!

[Arizona_Mike]

Look at how they describe the magazine disconnect on pages 9 and 10 of the Taurus Curve manual and stress that it is not a safety device, can be dangerous, and is only included to allow the gun to be sold in certain jurisdictions. There is also a strong hint in the warning.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...ETPW0Cx1znZJdIA2g&sig2=L-ni8H7okXryk9mJg5R5gA

I knew about the sloppy gun handling part and being disarmed during a tactical reload (not mentioned by Taurus) but they make an excellent point I have not heard about before about magazine safeties requiring a magazine to be on hand during cleaning and function checks, which is not a good general safety practice.

Mike

 

[jak67429]

I like this line.
If a firearm goes off, there was a round of ammunition in the chamber.
Period. “Clear,” or empty, the firearm of all ammunition before disassembling or cleaning.

 

[Coyote3855]

I didn't read all the instruction manual, just the safety section. I agree Taurus did a good job of discussing issues around magazine disconnects and stating some very common sense safety procedures. Personally, I don't like disconnects. A previous owner had removed one from the Hi Power I purchased used. I think this was in a Hickok45 video review of Ruger LC9s and LC9s Pro. IIRC, the LC9s has a magazine disconnect and comes with an orange inert magazine to use during disassembly. The Pro model does not have the disconnect nor a manual safety. Firearms that require the trigger to be pulled for take down make me nervous and require an extra level of caution during that process. An acquaintance made the classic semi auto mistake of racking the slide and then dropping the magazine on his new pistol. He shot himself in the leg showing his buddies how to take apart his pistol. He was fortunate, no blood vessel or bone was struck. But it was a long and bumpy ride from elk camp to the hospital.

 

[GRIZ22]

Look at how they describe the magazine disconnect on pages 9 and 10 of the Taurus Curve manual and stress that it is not a safety device, can be dangerous, and is only included to allow the gun to be sold in certain jurisdictions. There is also a strong hint in the warning.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw39yCg_fQAhVD2GMKHelvBdoQFggfMAA&url=http://www.taurususa.com/pdf/Taurus_CurveManual.pdf&usg=AFQjCNESU5q61taHbETPW0Cx1znZJdIA2g&sig2=L-ni8H7okXryk9mJg5R5gA

I knew about the sloppy gun handling part and being disarmed during a tactical reload (not mentioned by Taurus) but they make an excellent point I have not heard about before about magazine safeties requiring a magazine to be on hand during cleaning and function checks, which is not a good general safety practice.

Mike

I agree Taurus did a good job of covering magazine safeties. I have mixed emotions about them but have not removed them from the guns that have them.

I have been a LE firearms instructor since 1976. The agency I retired from issued S&W 659s and 6906s for about 15 years in the 80s and 90s. The need for an empty magazine to function check the gun is a non-issue with proper training. I never heard of anyone in my agency having an UID while cleaning because they confused a loaded and unloaded magazine. This was in an agency that had over 10,000 people carrying those guns. Yes there were UIDs but not many due to proper training.

There are ways to defeat the magazine safety during tactical reloads. These tactics can be dangerous in the wrong hands and I choose not to share them.

 

[Plan2Live]

Caliber vs capacity, pocket pistol vs full size, revolver vs semi-auto, manual safety vs no manual safety, loaded chamber indicator vs no LCI, hammer vs striker, hollow point vs full metal jacket, open carry vs concealed, magazine safety disconnect vs no magazine safety disconnect. All of these topics and features can be argued until the cows come home without resolve because there are valid arguments for and against each. The best advice for anyone on these topics (and most any topic) is gather as much credible information as you can and decide what works for you.

 

[Ed Ames]

Maybe I'm just being picky but if you are going to dedicate a page or more to explaining why something isn't a "magazine safety", you probably shouldn't have a part labeled "magazine safety" on your exploded diagram.

 

[Old Dog]

Ah, you're just being picky. That's the common nomenclature and the industry standard (as well as what the California/MA/NY litigators demand).

Whatever one thinks about Taurus products, the company itself has always been very progressive and a very, very staunch supporter of 2A rights.

 

[Tirod]

I don't see why a mag safety requires a magazine to be on hand for cleaning. First thing you do is either lock back the slide ejecting the chambered round, or drop the mag then lock back the slide. The requirement is to clear the chamber and for that, the lack of a mag in the gun is required.

Once racked you can then proceed to whatever is next in removing a pin or catch to release the slide.

Reassembly doesn't require the mag either. And half the function check shouldn't involve one - part of the check is to proof the mag disconnect does work. That leaves checking to see the hammer does fall, and I don't see any responsible shooter of merit inserting a LOADED magazine in the weapon to do that.

CLEAR THE MAG. If you can't, then insert, chamber and leave that check off your list. Will you get killed? Odds are no, because most firearms don't field strip to the point where you will disturb how the trigger works. If it does - make a serious adjustment in your routine, keep a mag available that will be used for that check. Function checking is a fine thing to do - if you are in a situation where you daily face danger in armed confrontation. For most of us that isn't the reality - we carry for the once in a lifetime event. If you can't safely function check with a empty mag, I have to ask, just where does that happen? Most CCW clean at home - if the gun is anywhere outside a pocket or holster outside the home then it better be a range - no major mag issue there - or you've already called 911 and it's out to be used - where you will likely wind up with an empty mag.

I've been trained on both mag and no safety guns in the military, it's not really an issue either way. The mag safety does have one specific advantage for the duty carrier - if grappling for the gun it's possible to disable it. It also implies you will have a needed backup weapon or the extensive skills to defeat the opponent resoundly. For the average CCW, it really has little affect. If you PROPERLY clear the weapon it's unnecessary. Unfortunately, no, there are inexperienced, even momentarily unintelligent owners who drop the mag and then pull a trigger. The real issue there is a bad case of self inflicted derp - and there is no law that can prevent it. Just self discipline. For the most part we as a group of humans do a pretty good job of it. We just understand we cannot accept anything less than 100% safe interaction with our firearm as our goal. It's not something we attain, it's something we constantly train.

 

[mgmorden]

Once racked you can then proceed to whatever is next in removing a pin or catch to release the slide.

Depending on the model of gun you have to pull the trigger to remove the slide - there isn't necessarily a pin or catch. My Glock and Taurus PT-111 G2 are like that. If you pair that with a gun that has a magazine disconnect, then you GENERALLY need to have a magazine on hand to drop the striker (I say generally because it varies by design - on some guns you can reach a finger into the magazine well and press a catch to disable the disconnect).