we are finally safe in the uk cheap samuri swords banned

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I sure hope it doesn't lead to more restrictions, such as the proposed British Lawful Eating Apparatus & Tableware Act, or BLEAT for short. If it gets really bad over there, I think we should consider something like the old Lend Lease Program, where in return for all their banned utensils, we could send them millions of Sporks. That is provided they're not banned as well.
 
i think it depends on your school of marital art if you sign up or not
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Part of the reason I'm asking is that I wonder if allowances are going to be made for martial arts that use katana for training purposes? There are various makers of iai blades, Han Wei being one of the better non-folded types, that are more or less expensive depending on quality. That aside, some people buy cheaper blades to get started and that's perfectly acceptable. The iai to I use now cost about $1200, but my first one, a cheapie, cost $99 + tax and shipping. I would never have gotten started in iaido if it were going to cost me that much for a practice blade.
 
Well, No To Knives has sent me a form letter e-mail. Once my pledge has been checked to be sure it isn't offensive they will put it up.

Yeah, right. I don't expect that we will ever see that particular part of th "The Wall" posted with my pledge.

I did pledge not to carry a knife (to a gun fight):evil:
 
if your a serious collector no probs
there is an exception for laidio but nobody is selling said blades at the moment:(
 
woodybrighton,

Seriously, how do they get people to agree to these stupid bans? Did they dumb people down with the public education system like they're doing here? Seems like it was an awfully quick procession considering only two generations ago guns were perfectly acceptable in English culture. How did the antis do it?

The video someone posted here that the NRA produced showing people turning in their handguns when those were banned was completely shocking! In fact, it's downright scary.
 
people even turned in weapons that WEREN`T banned :O

that`s like...that`s like....eh...*Ze Snow is dumbstruck*
 
the orginal ban on self defense was in 1948 finally finished off in 1965 neither was part of debate and no great fear of crime then

a mass shooting in 1986 put paid to semi auto rifles the nra had opted out of using semi auto rifles for service rifle matches back in the 60s:( so they were not common weapons then.
dunblane finished handguns off :(
unfortunanatly a hobby vs 13 dead children not much of an arguement is it:fire:
 
This is one of those debates that pulls me in both directions.

First, I love freedom, I'm a strict constructionist and I helped work for years in repealling our state's helmet law. I vote, I write letters to our local editor and I even use my job to discuss issues on knives, guns and motorcycle.

Having said that, they sure picked a tar-baby to defend in making the debate over cheap samurai swords. If that's your thing, just take your money and toss it right into the sewer and save yourself some freight charges. I've seen a video of this cheap crap shatter and injure the guy demonstrating the stuff.

For reference, samurai swords are never cheap, and no samurai or ninja I know of has a kiln or forge in China. If there is a guy that fits that description he's either blind or drunk because not one--not one--of these "swords" every had an edge on it fit for anything except opening the mail.

And that's the problem. We don't pick our fights. We start defending dangerous junk and then our opposition points to us later to tell the public, "Oh, BTW, these are the same guys who import cheap Chinese crap."

Not the first time. During the late 1960's when choppers were first going mainstream, lots of compnaies were building custom motorcycle frames out of chrome moly without heat relieveing the welds. Frames were cracking and breaking all over the continent, and the nannies were asking for ever-more control on motorcycles--to save the poor biker from himself.

Sound familiar?

Defend the junk, die with the junk. This stuff ain't worth the time, unless you want it thrown back in your face by a liberal with an agenda.
 
Yes well our turn is coming sooner than you think then we will all get a chance to step up to the plate.
 
I don't think the OP was defending cheap "samurai swords" as much as he was pointing out the absurdity of trying to legislate them out of existence. First the seller renames/relabels it to avoid the regulation: the "samurai" sword becomes a "ninja" sword.

If they re-write the legislation, the merchant relables the product. A crazy circus ensues. They can try legislating against anything "substantially similar", but that could be almost any odd scrap of metal, wood, plastic, etc. Even a pointy stick.

I think the point is that it's futile to think legislation directed at the weapon is the answer. We're always saying that gun laws only disarm the law abiding. A black market will arise to accomadate any demand.

If guns are too difficult to smuggle in from elsewhere, they can easily be made in clandestine shops. A couple of the easiest guns to make are blowback pistols, like the Browning 1903 (compare the "Ruby" knock-offs), and the Sten/ "Grease Gun" type submachine guns. The boys in Peshawer file out AK 47s from pieces held between their feet.

If guns are impossible to eradicate , how much more absurd to attempt to legislate imitation swords away. I think the OP saw an example of that absurdity, and wanted to share the joke with the rest of us. I don't think he's defending that junk. (I also suspect he's surprised at how this thread has taken off.)
 
I understand they're making real progress banning knives, but don't the criminals just switch to spoons? I think you need to get the spoons off the street.
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When it comes down to it, I'm actually in favor of spooning.
 
Having said that, they sure picked a tar-baby to defend in making the debate over cheap samurai swords.
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I don't think the point here is whether the swords are well-made or not. I've seen some pretty wicked, tough blades made out of the springs of old cars. Just grind 'em to the desired shape and sharpen. They do it all the time in the Phillipines. The problem is the idea that banning anything does anything more than create a black market for it is ludicrous. I've seen first hand how well the ban on drugs is working, and I really wish we'd get out of the business of legislating morality. (I know, that sounds weird coming from a cop, but it's true.)

What needs to be strictly penalized is the bad behavior. As long as the societal intent is to reform and not simply punish, it will never work. I'm almost to the point of agreeing with Robert Heinlein in Starship Troopers. Minor crimes merit a public flogging. It's cheaper, quicker, and the offender will remember it and not want another dose. There, I've said it. Flame away. ;)
 
Having said that, they sure picked a tar-baby to defend in making the debate over cheap samurai swords.
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You could say the same thing about Saturday Night Special bans. After all who wants a piece of junk that jams half the time, has posts about people reshaping the chamber with a pocket knife, and is "only good for killing someone and throwing away?" (even though the bans usualy ban a lot of semi decent affordable firearms too)

Oh I don't know, maybe the single mother that is raising a few kids, barely has $50 extra at the end of a month if she scrapes, but has some the ex she left trying to find her, and lives in a neighborhood that is full of crime because it is the most affordable?


It is a class thing. They just want to outlaw the cheap stuff because, well, people that can only afford that are who commit most of the crime.
Those with a few thousand to spend on a balanced piece of metal they can use in a hobby are not likely to use it for crime, and they can retain thier right to use it for a hobby and even defense if necessary.

Plus, it also helps to divide and conquer. Those favoring such a ban might be a minority, outnumbered by the general population that has some cheap swords and cutlery combined with those into martial arts, combined with those into reinactments etc
But if they break them all into seperate groups, they can outnumber them, banning first the least supported or "necessary" group. Then when that group is diminished and defeated they can move on to another.
So the antis can appear to be practicing 'tyranny of the majority', when in fact they are just a minority themselves.

Kinda like gun owners in America. You have all kinds of demographics who primarily use firearms for one purpose or another, some make it a priority for funds, others just want something reliable for self defense, and others cannot even afford reliable.
Others primarily enjoy them for use in various hobbies. Shooting skeet/trap, hunting, or IPSC/IDPA, or just informal plinking.
Many prefer one type of arm or defend some activities primarily. So even though the antis might be numericaly fewer, they can challenge some seperately with better results. The result is "assault weapon" laws, or handgun restrictions etc.
Every defeated group that because less enthusiastic or loses thier hobby is one less supporter of firearms to defend other hobbies which are attacked at a later date.

Divide and conquer. As the ranks are reduced they can revisit and ban other types later which are of less immediate importance.

unfortunanatly a hobby vs 13 dead children not much of an arguement is it
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Which is why in America everyone should be reminded the RKBA has nothing to do with a hobby.
Those practicing the RKBA have items which open up opportunities to enjoy some hobbies that utilize them. Something completely different.


This law against cheap swords is little different than a law against cheap handguns. Sure to enthusiasts they are unworthy, but what does that have to do with anything? They still might look nice bought cheaply and hung along the walls of the room you practice in :neener: even if not suitable to be graced by your majestic touch.

I support the right of anyone to have the poorest quality firearm they want or can afford. Even if I have no use for a firearm I see in posts with people discussing how to reshape the chamber with a pocket knife to improve feeding because the metal is so soft. :what:

Plus even a cheap stamped metal blade is a blade. I have used many cheap knives from China to cook, work on projects etc. In fact they get more use than a nice knife for many tasks I would not want to scratch or chip a nice knife doing.
Those not even made from a steel suitable for use should be regarded as decorations. Decorations that can still be used for self defense, and beat a vase or even a cricket bat any day.
 
Pointed sticks have already been banned and confiscated in the U.S. on one occasion. When Pat Buchanan, then a candidate for president, went to a gun show, his campaign staff handed out signs on sticks so supporters could wave them for the TV cameras.

The woman head of the secret service protection detail went into the gun show with the candidate and turned white! It was a 2000 table show; there were probably at least 40,000 guns and a million or so rounds of ammo in the place, not to mention bayonets, knives and so forth.

Frantic to appear that she was "doing something" to "protect" Buchanan (who didn't need any protection in that place), she ordered her minions to confiscate the sticks to which the signs were stapled. So Pat Buchanan was saved to pontificate on TV and the world was safe from those deadly sticks.

Jim
 
Wait till someone gets beat to death with a cricket bat then they can ban those too. They'll never figure it out.
 
Hi sacp,

What needs to be strictly penalized is the bad behavior. As long as the societal intent is to reform and not simply punish, it will never work. I'm almost to the point of agreeing with Robert Heinlein in Starship Troopers. Minor crimes merit a public flogging. It's cheaper, quicker, and the offender will remember it and not want another dose. There, I've said it. Flame away
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Nicely done sir.
 
agree you can have all the dangerous cheap junk you want in your own home its your problem if you think a pair of 50 quid swords will make your front room look nice :uhoh: but if you think carrying one to solve a problem you deserve pain and lots of it. I was just pointing out slightly curved cheap nasty sword illegal same straight blade piece of crap legal:banghead: so does'nt even achieve the dubious aim of banning something. frace actually trusts its citizens with all sorts of dangerous stuff including m16's though you have to have them in an odd calibre
 
I was just pointing out slightly curved cheap nasty sword illegal same straight blade piece of crap legal
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Which is exactly the same as the 10 years we just had with "detachable magazine/pistol grip/bayonet lug/flash suppressor" illegal and "detachable magazine/pistol grip/no bayonet lug/recoil compensator" legal under the "assault weapon" ban. Makes as much sense.

Don't even get me into the "this one made in U.S." legal "the same thing made in China" illegal thing.... :banghead:
 
The funny thing about the "no to knives" site is that on their pledge wall, there are obvious pro-blade messages.

One is "1984" is red lettering
I've seen a couple of encircled Vs, like the V for Vendetta symbol.
There's even a crude copy of the CRKT logo and another of Benchmade.
Many drawings are seen with slogans against "knifes." Feigned idiocy of our supporters or genuine ignorance of our enemies?
One is signed "John Garand" and "John Moses Browning."
There are a couple of images of pigs. Law enforcement is disrespected for their involvement in this oppression.
Another is "CCW" in big, blue letters.
...and "Ron Paul 2008"

Also, I believe that the difficulty in seeing and tabulating all of the pledges is implemented purposefully. They don't want us to see the true number of people they've duped into believing them. Many slots between pledges are empty, there are a few duplicated pictures, and there are easier ways to host images on a website. They've got no more than a handful of supporters.

They really are clueless.
 
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