We have too many laws...

[BowStreetRunner]

dumb laws - msn

So I was looking at this thing today on MSN.....
it turns out it is a crime in New Jersey to wear a bullet proof vest when you commit murder, manslaughter, robbery, sexual assault, burglary, kidnapping, criminal escape or assault. Why don't criminalize everything else while we are it.........Now everyone on this board probably knows that anyone with the mind to commit the above crimes is not going to be deterred by this law, so is making it just so the government can throw you in the slammer longer a good idea???
How about just a harsh sentence for the crimes listed???



LAW: It is illegal to wear a bulletproof vest while committing a murder.
COUNTRY: USA / STATE: New Jersey
CITATION: 2C:39-13 Unlawful use of body vests.
ACTUAL: A person is guilty of a crime if he uses or wears a body vest while engaged in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit murder, manslaughter, robbery, sexual assault, burglary, kidnapping, criminal escape or assault under N.J.S.2C:12-1b. Use or wearing a body vest while engaged in the commission of, or an attempt to commit, or flight after committing or attempting to commit a crime of the first degree is a crime of the second degree. Otherwise it is a crime of the third degree.


I don't know.....

BSR

 

[Michigander]

Next thing you know, they'll make it illegal to use a firearm in the commission of a crime! Hmph!:banghead:

However, I think #10 is a good one. The ill-effects of hydrogenated and partially hydrogenated oils are becoming much more well know as of late.

 

[HBK]

Some states should be forced to secede from the unon as a punishment for the sheer stupidity they spew forth.

 

[Foe[H]ammer]

at the risk of sounding like a loon .... do you think officers want the "victim/perp" invunerable to all but "assault weapons" like .223 and 7.62 .... I mean if someone were wearing body armor they might pose an even match for the cops ... we can't have that .... EVER

 

[Diggler]

Some states should be forced to secede from the unon as a punishment for the sheer stupidity they spew forth.

Why reward the STUPID states??

 

[tcsd1236]

I dont see what the problem with that particular law is; NY has a similar one. A person who commits a serious felony after having the forethought to equip themselves with body armor deserves to have an additional charge tacked on .

 

[Treylis]

Actually, I'm pretty sure Arizona also has a law that says you can't wear body armor while committing crimes. Or at least violent crimes.

What's truly stupid is when body armor is forbidden absolutely... which I think it is in a few places.

 

[mrapathy2000]

alot states have a similar law. its to make sure criminals spend time in jail should they choose to use body armor in a crime and get caught. it shows premeditation also.

of coarse discovery may be fruit of the poisonous tree if they dont get him on the crime he originally got caught for. though they could possibly get him for unlawfull possesion of a firearm and bullet proof vest would be a killer on reasonable doubt in court imo. reality could vary.

I like those tack on's myself.

now if state outlawed civilian use of body armor outright I would really tick me off as the state would only further more prove it is not looking out for safety or welfare of its citizens.

 

[Docwithglock]

What would the ACLU say?

They might say that it is an unconstitutional law because it infringes upon the bad guys right to not get shot in the chest. Fine with me! But then the criminals (families actually) should have no right to sue the police or citizen for excessive use of force because they had to take a head shot. But then again, it might be argued that anyone has a right to sue anybody for anything. The criminals and the ACLU would then probably have another victory.
Besides you would probably need a second trial to convict a criminal for the vest violation, because technically they did not break the vest law until after they have already been convicted of the first felony which they commited while wearing it. So maybe they should make vests illegal for every law abiding citizen (that way the criminals won't get them). This sounds like a good idea to me. I mean, isn't this the idea behind gun control/ victim dissarmament laws... if its illegal, then the criminals won't be able to get or use the vests, which in turn should make America safer.
Seriously folks, laws should be made only to enable the victims to get post crime justice after the fact. As much as I would like the bad guys not to be allowed to wear a vest, who do they think they are kidding. They are called criminals BECAUSE THEY HAVE NO REGARD FOR THE LAWS OR OTHER PEOPLE. Useless laws do not stop most criminals. They only trick the stupid people who keep reelecting these politicians into believing that more laws will protect us.

 

[Docwithglock]

By the way: we should not have to have a bunch of stupid meaningless offenses to tack on to a criminals list of felonies to put them in jail longer. The punishment should fit the crime in the first place. None of this touchy feely let them out after 6 or seven years (OR LESS!) for murder or rape crap!
I thinks we all agree, and I feel like I'm preaching to the choir on this forum. Maybe we should all leave this forum and spend a few minutes a day at bleedingheart.com and tell them what we think!
Seriously, if anyone has any good (I mean bad) web sites/ links where some of us could express our views to those who realy need to here them, please post them. I will start a new thread under Legal and Political where this can be done.
Thanks