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Well, it finally happened (Saiga import ban)

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by barnbwt, Jul 16, 2014.

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  1. barnbwt

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    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/07/foghorn/breaking-obama-administration-bans-import-izhmash-kalashnikov-saiga-firearms/
    Strange coincidence that the "new Russian sanctions" are being leveled to coincide with The Twit Offensive (Bloomberg-funded hit pieces), especially considering the dearth of tough-talk about the non-gun-related Ukraine affair.

    So for now, Izhmash is now persona non grata. As is SIG, but from the opposite perspective (our government being shady). The ban on the Ruskies is indefinite.

    Things to remember in 2016; "Will you reopen trade with Russia/China as far as sporting arms?"

    Congrats, Saiganeers, you now own valuable Norinco's... Anybody know if Baikal is effected?

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  2. Jlr2267

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    I am honestly shocked it took him this long. I suspect there are more import bans to come
     
  3. Kynoch

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    This is extremely bad news. The firearms mentioned have not been used to commit crimes in the USA. The Saigas were gaining a real foothold in sports shooting -- 3Gun, etc. Lots of parts were being designed and made for them here in the US, etc.

    Some companies like Tromix and Thunderbird are going to be devestated by this development...
     
  4. Welding Rod

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    Are you saying Sigs are not going to be imported?
     
  5. herrwalther

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    New EO from the White House

    Thoughts on this developing article? Will this cause another banic of Russian imports?

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...hmash-kalashnikov-saiga-firearms/#more-328770

     
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    so is European armory corp, not going to be able to get in the guns from Russia, like the bakial's?
     
  7. Sam1911

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    I'd say that if you wanted one, the day to buy is yesterday. Maybe this will finally be an EO we can get a President's replacement to overturn on our behalf. Time will tell.
     
  8. barnbwt

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    I have to assume Baikal is also affected (unless only Ivhesk is being nailed? :confused:). I guess my MP161K 22LR got a lot more lucrative :rolleyes:

    The deal with SIG was our idiot DOD selling them to Colombians when we knew darn well that the Germans don't allow the guns to be sold there. Think France selling S&W AR15's to Iranians or Syrians; we'd beat 'em over the head with ITAR so fast they'd do a flip. Now SIG is barred from exporting here indefinitely (luckily I think most of their stuff is made here, anymore)

    It is truly "first blood" as far as anti-gun maneuvers by this administration. Blocking already-long-delayed Garands and some sneaky semi-effective banking shenanigans along with lots of good 'ol demagogue-ing is something I expect and can live with. Playing with long-standing import rules (Saiga even had a treaty-negotiated exemption) is the closest thing to a nuclear option the Executive can pull and stay within the law. There is undoubtedly more to come, as our president seems determined to provoke a penultimate political conflict, of late (I expect a ban on all foreign parts kits from non-NATO states, stepped up ATF rulings on 80% products, manufacturers, and machine guns, and perhaps a ban or curtailing of gun imports from non-NATO countries. FNH/etc. are probably safe due to lobbying power through the military)

    I suppose removing the sporting exemption on 12ga would be worse, but Biden wouldn't stand for that.

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    It doesn't have to be.

    It's also an opportunity for domestic products to take advantage of the vacuum this creates.
     
  10. barnbwt

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    Takin' all bets on how long it takes them to get to ammo manufacturers and the few other gun makers (apparently it is limited to the one maker, for now). Let's not miss an opportunity to drive this home as legitimate anti-gun actions by the administration this November. No more playing around with people who claim the anti-gun side of the aisle is 'secretly supportive' or 'unwilling' or such nonsense; "here's yer evi-dense."

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    I forsee an new American made detachable box magazine fed semi-automatic shotgun coming to market soon!

    This is unfortunate news, the Saigas can be good guns.
     
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    I do hope you guys saw this coming awhile back, with the, wh placing sanctions against the Russian gov, their banks, energy companies and arms manufacturers yoy will see a slowdown if not a stoppage of rifles from Russia. just saying.
     
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    You all know that American gun manufacturers applaud this kind of "Executive Order", Right??
     
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    ....at three times the price and with the quality control of the Remington R51.....
     
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    Glad I got one when I had the chance. Anyone know if the VEPRs are affected?
     
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    Very provocative question...

    I wouldn't be surprised if Ruger finally knocked-off their version of the Kalashnikov once and for all.
     
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    I'm mad on a whole new level....
     
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    Molot/Vepr's appear to fall under this ban as well.
     
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    The "work around" to continue to import AK-based guns shouldn't be all that tough. Izmash (actually the gov't) has licensed factories all over the world.

    I'm sorta surprised that someone established in the US has no knocked-off an AK yet. Prices are already high enough to make it worthwhile I suspect.
     
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    Remington is a shining example of how NOT to run a gun company.


    On a us made gun there's be no 922r "compliance" concerns.
     
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    Kynoch , the gun ban has nothing to do with crime !
     
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    Oh boy, unilateral moves going around the legislative branch...Thomas Jefferson is probably rolling in his grave

     
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    Will Kel-Tec get into building AKs now? :)
     
  25. HOOfan_1

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    They need to get into building their own designs first
     
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