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Were/how to buy a short barreled shotgun

Discussion in 'NFA Firearms and Accessories' started by walking arsenal, Apr 25, 2011.

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  1. walking arsenal

    walking arsenal Member

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    I'm looking into buying a short barreled mossberg 500 or 590.

    I would like one with a 14" barrel.

    Who are some good dealers to buy one of these from?

    What needs to be considered when buying a SBS?
     
  2. Sam1911

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    I've done a few web searches and so far have only come up with two Class 03 dealers in MN:

    Real American Arms
    2016 7th Ave N
    Anoka, MN 55303
    phone: 763-427-6738
    fax: 763-427-6738
    Hours: 8:00am-5:00pm Mon-Fri
    Transfer fee: $20.00 per gun, $75 for Class 3

    Watson's Weapons
    555 Apple Garden Road
    Mound, MN 55364
    952-472-1010
    $10 per gun; Class III $50

    Surely there are more, but so far that's all I found.

    Not sure what you mean by "what needs to be considered?" Do you understand the Form 5320.4 process to transfer & register the gun? What other questions do you have?
     
  3. walking arsenal

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    Maybe.

    I understand how to register a SBR but have never looked into an SBS.

    Also, what are the effects of the shorter barrel on Ballistics?
     
  4. mr_goodbomb

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    Why not just get something 18" or so? I doubt the advantages of the difference between 14" and 18-18.5" is going to be worth $200, several month's wait, and being on a watch list.
     
  5. Sam1911

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    The process is exactly the same for all NFA items.

    The shorter barrel will produce a bit less velocity than a longer barrel would with the same load.

    The shorter barrel will probably be cylinder bore, but it could be supplied with screw-in choke tubes.

    A shorter barrel does NOT influence the spread of your shot pattern (that's a myth) only the choke does. If you were to cut a full choked 28" barrel down to 18" (or 14") it would then be a cylinder bore so the shot would spread to a greater degree. If you then fit that 18" or 14" barrel with a full choke tube you'd (in theory at least) go right back to the same spread you had before.

    A shorter barrel is not as smooth and easy to track a moving target with -- to swing through a crossing clay bird, for example -- but that's not usually what they are for.
     
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    Wow, that never gets old? I've never bought into the idea that folks who go to a lot of trouble to pay the government extra money, who (usually) go in and have a sit-down meeting with their local Sheriff, and subject themselves to being extra-scrutinized just so they can register a firearm that's substantively identical to tens of millions of others (just a few inches shorter) are really getting put on a watch-list.

    I know the idea is pervasive, though. I have one pal who fervently believes that having a registered Title II weapon means the government can come search your house without warning 24/7. He will -- NOT -- believe otherwise. And he's like totally sane in all other respects!
     
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    Mr goodbomb. I've got an 18" Mossberg 500. That's why I want a 14" one.
     
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    Ruby Ridge was over a SUSPECTED non-registered AOW.
     
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    Yes. If you become involved in being a hate-group informant for the ATF and then break off that arrangement, it would probably be best not to sell to an agent of the government unregistered shotguns which may or may not be below the NFA Title II limits. Also, if subpoenaed, it is probably best that you appear on your court date.

    If, however, you're filing your paperwork and simply enjoying your lawfully possessed SBS -- absent a rather convoluted pile of entanglements such as Mr. Weaver seems to have found himself in -- I don't see the connection.

    "Ooooh, this guy's jumping through the hoops and staying scrupulously legal! That looks mighty suspicious! Send in Lon and the helicopters!" ;)
     
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    I just want one because I thought it would be handy. And from what I've seen they are cheaper than a pistol caliber SBR.
     
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    Sorry. Changed my mind.
     
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    Flip that around. The entrapment situation was that (allegedly) the government agent involved got Weaver to sell two shotguns to HIM.

    But this is really off topic. Point is, you can probably save your paranoia for all your other shady and suspect dealings. Filing a Form 4 won't get you on a watch list.
     
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    I believe you are out of luck in MN with the SBS you want. This state does not allow SBS unless they are Curio/Relic class.

    It also does not allow full auto under the same restriction, but for some reason allows SBR of modern build.
     
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    Really? That's a new one on me. Got a link to the law?
     
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    Interesting, yet disappointing. Just give me another reason to move I guess.
     
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