"Westchester Cops Lock Up Gun Nut"

Status
Not open for further replies.

Hacker15E

Member
Joined
Jul 1, 2005
Messages
1,550
Location
Vegas
What exactly was this guy's crime? Obviously he is a complete idiot for shooting in his house (not trying at all to defend him), but the article makes it sound like his crime was owning a lot of firearms! Seems to me that there might have been some NFA guns in there he wasn't licensed to have....NY people, what else what he doing wrong by having a lot of guns?

http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_322174452.html

Westchester Cops Lock Up Gun Nut
Man Arrested Had Massive Arsenal


(CBS) MOUNT PLEASANT A Westchester County man faces felony charges after police seized his vast collection of firearms, including several guns disguised as everyday objects.

"This appears to be a Zippo lighter, but as you can see, it's a gun," said Mount Pleasant police chief Louis Alagno, as he displayed the weapon at a news conference Friday.

The lighter was so cleverly done, police accidentally fired it while handling the gun earlier this week.

"It was loaded with a blank, thank God," Alagno said. "We thought it was a gun, but we didn't know it was a gun, and it discharged."

Police seized more than 120 guns, 10,000 rounds of Teflon-coated "cop killer bullets," and hundreds of switchblade knives from 51-year-old Robert E. Klein, who owns and operates a car wash in Hawthorne.

The case began when Klein moved out of 15 W. Oxford Street in Mount Pleasant. His landlord, retired NYPD officer Michael Bruno, realized Klein had turned an upstairs closet into a shooting gallery.

"He was almost a recluse in the house, he didn't come out of the house much," Bruno said.

Police investigated and realized Bruno had fired rounds through the closet wall. Several bullets struck a neighboring house, right outside a bedroom where a baby sleeps.

"For whatever reason he did not perceive the danger he posed to his neighbors," Alagno said.

Bruno was charged with reckless endangerment and ordered to surrender his weapons. Police waited several weeks before obtaining a search warrant, then seized weapons from Klein's new home in Croton-on-Hudson, and from a self-storage unit in Elmsford.

The weapons included dozens of handguns and rifles. Police say Klein didn't have permits for any of the firearms.

The exotic guns included a derringer pistol hidden in a belt buckle and a gun integrated into the six-inch blade of a Bowie knife.

Police say one weapon, a silver Gatling gun, was modeled on a prop from the movie "The Terminator." The gun could fire 3,000 rounds per minute, and was valued at more than $3,000.

Chief Alagno estimated the value of the entire collection at more than $100,000.

Mount Pleasant police have asked the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to investigate the source of the guns collected by Klein

EDIT: A little Google helped me find another article that explained the charges/offenses a little better. I can't believe that bias of the police, though!

http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051119/NEWS02/511190322/1018

Cops seize exotic weapons, charge Cortlandt man
By RICHARD LIEBSON
[email protected]
THE JOURNAL NEWS

(Original publication: November 19, 2005)


MOUNT PLEASANT — Police yesterday displayed an arsenal of more than 120 exotic weapons and tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition they said they had seized while investigating reports that a man had shot up the inside of his former home in Valhalla.

"This was a very unusual occurrence here," said Police Chief Louis Alagno. "There's no legitimate reason I can think of for someone to have these types of weapons or this much ammunition."

The case resulted in the arrest of Robert E. Klein, 51, who owns a carwash in Hawthorne, and the discovery of weapons caches in Klein's new home in Cortlandt and at a self-storage warehouse in Greenburgh, police said.

Included in the arsenal, which police said was worth more than $100,000, were a variety of knives, antique handguns, high-powered automatic rifles, a gun hidden in a belt buckle, another that looked like a lighter and one that looked like a pocket watch. There was also a cane that hid a sword and a BB gun that police said was a prototype for the distinctive silver weapon used by Arnold Schwarzenegger in "The Terminator" movie. Also found were boxes and cartons of ammunition, including 10,000 rounds of Teflon-coated bullets known as "cop killers," which are designed to pierce bulletproof vests.

"I'm not opposed to shooting sports, but these weapons are not designed for shooting sports," Alagno said. "These weapons are anti-personnel weapons."

Alagno said Klein had no permits for any of the weapons. Although he is accused of shooting up his former home at 15 W. Oxford St. in Valhalla, police said there was no evidence that Klein was anything more than "an obviously reckless" collector who fired the guns into his bedroom closet for target practice. Some of the bullets went through the walls into the walls of neighbors' homes, including some that struck near the bedroom window of a neighbor's infant.

"The potential danger to the public is incalculable," Alagno said, adding that police have never received reports of shots fired in the neighborhood.

Michael Bruno, Klein's former landlord, said his tenant had told him he collected guns.

"But I didn't know he had these kinds of weapons," he said.

Bruno, a former New York City police officer, said Klein and his wife rented the comfortable two-story home in a quiet Valhalla neighborhood for five years, before moving out Sept. 15 after buying a house in Cortlandt. He described Klein as "a nice guy, but depressed and reclusive."

"He never left the house," Bruno said. "I know he took a lot of pain medications and always seemed to be down and depressed."

Bruno said he checked on the house twice a month and noticed firearm damage in September.

"I told him to pay for the damage, get rid of the guns and get some help, but he just denied everything, so I ended up reporting him to the police," Bruno said.

After an investigation, Mount Pleasant police arrested Klein on Nov. 3, and charged him with second-degree criminal mischief, a felony; and second-degree reckless endangerment, a misdemeanor. He was released on $1,000 bail and was ordered to stay away from his former neighbors and to surrender his firearms. When he failed to turn in any weapons, police obtained a search warrant for Klein's 31 Sassi Drive home in Cortlandt and, on Monday, found a stash of 68 illegal guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition.

Klein was arrested again and was charged with second-degree criminal contempt, a misdemeanor. Alagno said state police were notified, and they got a warrant charging Klein with felony possession of weapons.

Mount Pleasant Town Justice Robert Ponzini ordered Klein held without bail at the Westchester County jail. After further investigation with cooperation from Klein and his lawyer, police on Wednesday seized 60 more firearms, ammunition and other weapons from a self-storage warehouse on Saw Mill River Road in Greenburgh.

Klein is scheduled to return to Mount Pleasant Town Court on Dec. 8. His attorney, Louis Ecker, was on vacation and could not be reached for comment.
 
10,000 rounds of Teflon-coated cop killer bullets

That's it? Sounds like he was running a little low on ammo. I'm getting sick of the media reporting these "arsenals of thousands and thousands or rounds". As for the "Teflon-coated cop killer bullets" who knows? Maybe the guy had a few cases of the old Black Talons... :scrutiny:
 
"...collector who fired the guns into his bedroom closet for target practice. Some of the bullets went through the walls into the walls of neighbors' homes, including some that struck near the bedroom window of a neighbor's infant."

Moron. A moron on pain meds.

John
 
True, he's a moron for shooting towards his neighbor's house. But, I can't stand the bleeding-heart, left-wing, blissninny, bed-wetting, hand-wringing tone of the articles:
displayed an arsenal... There's no legitimate reason I can think of for someone to have these... The potential danger to the public is incalculable...
:barf: :barf: :fire:
 
I would like to inform the police chief that I can think of at least one legitimate reason to own "those kind" of guns ... I want 'em. What better or more legitimate reason?

It's like saying there's no "legitimate" reason to own a Ferrari, when all you need to get to the local quick stop is a Honda Civic.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
Fly320s said:
True, he's a moron for shooting towards his neighbor's house. But, I can't stand the bleeding-heart, left-wing, blissninny, bed-wetting, hand-wringing tone of the articles:

:barf: :barf: :fire:

I second that... just reading the article makes me want to vomit.
 
"I'm not opposed to shooting sports, but these weapons are not designed for shooting sports," Alagno said. "These weapons are anti-personnel weapons."

what the hell...?

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

Enough said.
 
The gun owner deserves his jail time in this case. He put other people in mortal danger with his irresponsible behavior. If the charges are accurate, I hope he's denied his RKBA for the rest of his life. :banghead:

The real trouble lies with the article, and the police. Cop-killer bullets, "no legitimate use", and of course the need for permits. Blech. :rolleyes:
 
Besides the disguised guns being AOWs, I cant think of anything else that is potentially illegal about any of the things he possessed.

And I have owned rifles in NY before, there isnt any permitting required outside of the city.

Ditto ammo limits. Is reckless endangerment a felony or a misdemeanor? Unless they can convince the ATF to make felony charges on the AOWs, I would bet they end up returning his weapons to him and getting sued.

And disguised weapons arent always AOWs, especially if they fall into the obselete and collectible category. Like nazi belt buckle guns, etc.

And they can say all they want about cop killer bullets, but that sort of nonsense is easily rebutted in court.
 
Oh and that "gatling gun" they freaked out over?

It's a bb gun.

If the charges of him shooting in the house and hitting a neighbor's house with bullets (or even pellets/bb's) is true, then yes, he should be sent up the river for quite a stint.
 
"We thought it was a gun, but we didn't know it was a gun, and it discharged."
You thought it was a gun, but you didn't know, and IT discharged? What? You thought it might be a gun, but you still screwed around with it in an unsafe fashion and would've blown your hand open if it hadn't been loaded with a blank? Is that what you mean?
 
Three moron sightings:

The idiot who shot through the walls (if this really happened).

The police spokesman/chief.

The writer of the article(s).
 
Ya stupid ppl all around. Would be funny if it had a real cartridge and the bullet hit the wall beside all the others.

Or maybe that will be the man's defence in court:)

"Your honor, the police department's experts in firearms confiscation also fired a gun by accident, I believe that they thus set a precedent that accidentally firing a gun in my house is OK. Furthermore, they were only there 30 minutes before discharging. I discharged 3 times in as many years. If I were to meet their discharge rate I would have to fire nearly 30 shots at day!"

"I sentence you all to spend the rest of your lives in... New York, huahhaha."
 
In the wonderful state of NY with its plethora of civil and penal laws I'm sure an aggressive DA can come up with a bunch of things to charge this guy with.

I mean let's be resonable here, I dislike the guns laws in my state as much as anyone, but, this numbnut allegedly shot holes in his RENTED house and shot towards other occupied buildings. What would you do if that was your childs room? I think i could make a case for self defence and just shoot his silly ass.

This guy has broken the social contract and has proven by any reasonable measure that he cannot be trusted with firearms. I can't feel bad that he got arrested.

I do believe that there are ammo restrictions on the books, I can;t recall if its state or federal but I thought there was a limit. That being said if he hadn't blown holes in his house and his neighbors the ammo wouldn't be a problem.

The "cop killer bullets" thing is total BS, blissninny crap.

In NY you need a permit to posses a handgun. If he had 20 or 30 and no permit, he is totally f'ed. No guns again.......ever. Probably no freedom for a while. NY has specific laws against devices such as canes and swords that can fire bullets. Not to mention the options that the ATF has for prosecution.


This is "that guy" that gives us all a bad name. I enjoy all types of "toys" but for heavens sakes.......be responsible.
 
All I want to know is:

When do the guns go up on Gunbroker?





What?





Tossed in the ocean?






That's it! I'm taking up diving!
 
The lighter was so cleverly done, police accidentally fired it while handling the gun earlier this week.

"It was loaded with a blank, thank God," Alagno said. "We thought it was a gun, but we didn't know it was a gun, and it discharged."

wiggum.gif


"That's good work there, boys."
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top