What 1911 upgrades are worth the money?

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I'm a 1911 virgin and still confused by all the options.

Bull barrel vs bushing?

Match grade... is this marketing, or does it mean something?

Full length guide rod?

Adjustable sights vs fixed?

Long-pull vs short-pull trigger?

Sear and hammer design?

Forged?

ETC?
 
Any upgrade is dependent upon the type of shooting you do, what is your plan for the pistol?
 
Start by upgrading your ammo pile...and then depleting it. Repeat.
The rest will sort it self out as you get experienced.....
 
Leadhead knows what he's talking about. I know that from my own experiences. You might also start upgrading your income it seems to get depleted pretty quickly. I know that from my own experiences also.
 
Extended beavertail safety and commander hammer. When I shoot a 1911 without them I get my hand chewed up. I have small hands and like short triggers.

It really boils down to your shooting style, hand size and personal comfort.
 
rogerjames, it seems that you're asking about options on a new 1911 rather than upgrades to an existing one since you ask about forged (frames/slides) and bushingless/bushing barrels. If your question is what factory options are worth the money, what models are you considering?

And yes, it's easy to be "confused" by all the options ... overwhelmed even. There are some "you get what you pay for" choices ranging from the $750 price point (maybe lower) all the way up to and beyond $3,500.
 
Before you start making upgrades shoot it first to see what needs replacing.

But the top two things which many 1911's benefit from are a tuned trigger job and better sites. Some 1911's already come with a nice trigger and sites so you may not need anything other than some trigger time.
 
A great deal depends on what you're doing with it. However, sights(put fixed sights on my Colt. Wouldn't again, Adjustable sights are easier to sight in, but as long as they're high visibility, they'll do.) a trigger job and having 5 thou removed from the barrel diameter a half inch aft of the muzzle to the chamber(Mind you, the current barrel is 5 thou over the whole thing. Didn't give specific enough instructions. Works, so I don't care. Has to do with releasing the barrel from the bushing. It's a collet bushing too. Never had any problems with it.) That's all I did to my Series 70 for it to be scary accurate with my handloads. Mac Attack has a good point too. Your pistol may already have good sights, but every new firearm needs a trigger job due to frivolous law suits. Doing a 1911 trigger isn't hard.
It has Pachmayr grips too, but whatever grip feels right in your hand is fine.
Like Leadhead says, use good ammo. Reloading is the way to go. You may want to get a few recoil springs or a spring pak from Wolf Springs.
http://www.gunsprings.com
 
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1858, you're right...

rogerjames, it seems that you're asking about options on a new 1911 rather than upgrades to an existing one since you ask about forged (frames/slides) and bushingless/bushing barrels. If your question is what factory options are worth the money, what models are you considering?

And yes, it's easy to be "confused" by all the options ... overwhelmed even. There are some "you get what you pay for" choices ranging from the $750 price point (maybe lower) all the way up to and beyond $3,500.

You are exactly right. I am overwhelmed but I know this..

I primarily want a range gun, but I expect to carry on occasion when attire allows.

That being said... I know that I don't need all the bells and whistles, but I would like to understand the mechanics of how the options contribute to the shooting experience...

So I can decide for myself what options are important or not.
 
"...would like to understand the mechanics of how the options contribute to the shooting experience..." A good trigger means you're not trying to pull 10 pounds, for example, with just your finger. Crisp and smooth is more important than the pull weight, but a crisp light trigger, about 3.5 to 4 lbs, is a joy to shoot.
High visibility sights are just easier to see. You'll be looking at the front sight anyway, so a good rear sight matched to the front blade lets you see it better. The only really crappy sights are the tiny GI issue sights. Those aren't seen often on modern pistols. The Springfield Armory GI.45 has 'em though. Their 'Milspec' has decent fixed sights. They're just not good for a good sight picture.
Should have mentioned the flat or arched mainspring housing too. Mostly a feel thing, but the arched will force the pistol up in your hand.
The long or short trigger has to do with the size of your hand. Long triggers work better for big hands and/or long fingers. The grips can make a difference to the fit to your hand as well.
 
I'm a 1911 virgin and still confused by all the options.

Bull barrel vs bushing?
Bull is the norm with shorter 1911's. 4-5" 1911's seem to be ruled by Bushings. I really don't have an opinion other than never go shorter than 4" with a bushing.

Match grade... is this marketing, or does it mean something?
Marketing mostly. But a properly fit Barsto barrel means something.

Full length guide rod?
Puts more weight out front for less recoil, but increases swing weight slowing target to target transitions. I wouldn't worry about it. But I do prefer the short GI guide rods, even though it seems odd to me not having a guide for the spring.

Adjustable sights vs fixed?
Fixed. Adjustable sights are nearly useless to me, and fragile. I use adjustable sights only on toy pistols. And for competitions, I decided to only use CCW worthy weapons as comps can be good practice and experience.

Long-pull vs short-pull trigger?
I have long hands. I prefer a longer trigger shoe, maybe even a long flat trigger shoe.

Sear and hammer design?
Wilson makes my favorite ignition parts. But get their best stuff, not Wilsons low end MIM crap. Ed Brown also has nice parts. Whatever is in my 2010 Dan Wesson Valor is quite nice as well, but I have no idea where DW gets the Valor's guts.

Forged?
Frame and slide should allways be forged. Anything less is cost cutting shortcuts. I don't play that game. Build it right or go away.


ETC?

Looking for a 1911 eh? Other key mods/items of interest:

-there are different styles of frame cuts for grip safeties. High tang forward type grip safeties like the excelent Ed Brown grip safety allow you to have a better more aggresive grip for less recoil and flip. But they are also less comfortable than a regular beaver tail grip safety like on a Kimber.

Grip safeties also need sensitized so you can shoot from the retention position with a weak grip and possible way too high thumb position. Out of the box many shooters have problems with the grip safety blocking the trigger on rushed draws. It's a easy fix with a Arkansas stone.

-Sights. What worked well 10 years ago is not cutting edge tech today. 3 dot is fine, obsolete, but fine. Solid rear, tritium front for night, or fibreoptic front for day use are whats working best right now for many. Not too many 1911's come with this setup.......yet.

Wide rear notch, narrow front works best for me. I also like a vertical leading edge on the rear sight for one handed racking by shoving the sight into the edge of my kydex holster. Not a great thing to do to fragile adjustable sights.

-Thumb safety. Should feel natural and fit your hand and intended style of carry. If you have to get the dremel out, so be it. If you have to order an aftermarket safety, cut it to fit your thumb, and then have a 'smith fit it to your gun....so be it. Get this detail done right! It's not unusual for me to have more than one thumb safety fit to my 1911's so that I can choose the one that fits my mission the best that day.

-Grips. VZ rules for a combat oriented gun that requires a sharp grippy surface. Alumagrips are nice for CCW as they are smoother. Smooth wood grips from the Finer Grain (Sarges grips) are great comfort on longer range days.

-Smooth un checkered front straps are not allways a cost cutting measure. Some people prefere skater tape over checkering. I prefere 25 lpi checkering overall, but more fragile 30lpi is more comfortable and easier on shirts.

-Magazines. Tripp Cobra or Wilson EDM.

-fit. More expensive 1911's have a greater attention to detail. A reliable 1911 deosn't allways require alot of fitting attention, but that attention to detail cuts down on mistakes. Some SF 1911's appear to be assembled by someone who must have been blind, to have missed some obviuos CNC flaws. QC matters and is worth paying for.

-Monolithic frames. Heavy, less flip and recoil. Very cool once you're used to them. Greater swing weight though. Not IDPA legal. Look completely bad a55.

-Hardhat, Melonite metal treatments. Similar to Glocks tenifer. Only black instead of light gray. Strong, scratch resistant, rust resistant, and hard. But expensive. Best on good quality steel parts.

ION bond is an very good bonded coating. It's expensive as well but can go on just about anything.

-Thick front bushings. Ever see a bushing snap and fail? I also like it when the bushing, barrel, and recoil spring plug are nice and flush. On the same equal plane. Smoothed and fitted to each other is even better. Really improves the look of the 1911.

Les Baer and Colt have a real hard time getting this right. Someone stole all of thier straight edges from the factory. Nothing looks worse than a recoil spring bushing that's 1mm+ shorter than the bushing.




On the other hand, if a plain jane GI 1911 works fine for you, that's perfectly fine. Just be aware that there may be better options available.
 
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But the top two things which many 1911's benefit from are a tuned trigger job and better sites.

Agree with this 100%. This will turn most 1911's into much better shooters.

Any other mods would be related to and useful only for particular competitions.
 
"but I would like to understand the mechanics of how the options contribute to the shooting experience"

most ranges have range guns you can rent, i suggest that would be a good place to start. find out what you like cosmetic wise. +1 on tuned trigger & better sights.
 
Bull barrel vs bushing?

Match grade... is this marketing, or does it mean something?

Full length guide rod?

Adjustable sights vs fixed?

Long-pull vs short-pull trigger?

Sear and hammer design?

Forged?

Most of what you have listed are an issue of preference. You should get out there and shoot some 1911s before you buy so you can choose for yourself. I personally tell people to buy a stock Colt Govt. Shoot about 1000 rounds out of it and then you know what you like about the stock config and are then ready to make educated choices and changes. Most people do not go this route but it is what I did. One of my best shooting 1911s is a Colt 70 series....

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Match grade is all marketing you can find "match" parts on $500 1911s. :barf:

I personally see no need for a full length guide rod. I do not need or like adjustable sights. I used standard triggers and need the trigger to be consistent vs long or short.

I always prefer forged but cast can work.

Hammer and sear is more about the mating of these 2 pieces than the brand once you get to a good forged part. This is the most important part of a trigger job IMHO.
 
I was looking for a Colt Gold Cup when I was given an RIA 1911 tactical for Christmas three years ago. I'm glad it worked out this way. The RIA is inexpensive but the tactical model had some of the upgrades that are being discussed. I've come to appreciate those upgrades and after a lot of rounds fired I know better what difference they make to the shooting experience. I still want a $1000 1911, but I know more about what would be useful to me such a pistol.
 
You are exactly right. I am overwhelmed but I know this..

I primarily want a range gun, but I expect to carry on occasion when attire allows.

That being said... I know that I don't need all the bells and whistles, but I would like to understand the mechanics of how the options contribute to the shooting experience...

So I can decide for myself what options are important or not.

A nice beavertail and thumb safety make it more comfortable to shoot with a higher grip.
Do you have any preferences at all at this point? Blue? Stainless, Govt. or Commander?
It's pretty easy and cheap to customize the 1911 and that's part of the attraction.

Some like the flat mainspring and a longer trigger and some (like me) prefer the arched main spring.... Like someone else mentioned it's a personal thing based on hand size mostly.

Bobtailed also feels good in my hands.

Also as suggested you should be able to try a few out as they are quite common.

If you like Stainless the new Ruger's look pretty good.

What's your budget?
 
For a self defense gun? Sights, good trigger (not necessarily light, but must be smooth), lowered ejection port and beveled magazine well are beneficial. Optional are extended and/or ambidextrous thumb safeties and beavertail grip safeties with accompanying (required) hammer. Many if not most 1911s have these, or some combination of them, already. No work is needed on the barrel, bushing, guide rod or slide/frame fit unless it is to be used as a target gun.
 
They are all "worth it" if they make the combination of you and the arm shoot better.

Experience will matter more. Which wants shooting. So, a bushing brush is an excellent accessory. Magazine well brush and Magazine mop also good upgrade items, too.
 
Thanks!

I really appreciate all the information. I know these types of threads pop up a lot and can be repetitive and annoying, so I appreciate the patience and willingness to share your knowledge with me.
 
I put on a nicer set of grips, because I liked their looks. I added an ambidextrous safety for weak-hand shooting, and a full-length stainless steel guide rod with a fitted barrel bushing, and Wolf recoil spring for accuracy and reliability. Other than that, it's pretty much stock. Original Colt magazines have worked better for me than aftermarket 8 or 9 round mags, so I've stuck with them.
 
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