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: Study: Gun Owners More Likely to Be Killed by Guns


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> May 27, 2003
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> Study: Gun Owners More Likely to Be Killed by Guns
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> A University of California at Los Angeles study shows that gun owners are
> nearly twice as likely to be killed by guns than those who do not keep
> firearms at home, the New York Times reported May 27.
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> The study further found that people with guns at home are 16 times more
> likely to commit suicide using guns.
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> More than half of victims knew their assailants, and 15 percent of
> killings arose from family arguments.
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> The lethality of guns played a role in the carnage, experts said. "People
> who are shot are substantially more likely to die than people injured with
> non-gun weapons," said study author Dr. Douglas J. Wiebe, who is now with
> the University of Pennsylvania.
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> For the research, Wiebe analyzed the deaths of 1,720 homicide victims and
> 1,959 suicide victims and a sampling of American adults.
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> The study is published in the June 2003 edition of the Annals of Emergency
> Medicine.
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> Wiebe, D. (2003) Homicide and suicide risks associated with firearms in
> the home: A national case-control study. Annals of Emergency Medicine,
> 41(6): 771-782.
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[BerettaNut92]

Steal an idea from one and it's plagarism. Steal it from a few and it's research. This is rehashed (faulty) data.

Of course people with guns are more likely to kill themselves with guns than people without. Just like people with cars are more likely to drink and drive than people without...duhhh.....

Looks like someone is doing some last minute cramming.

Emergency medicine. Maybe I can get a chiropractor to come over and fix my M1A.

 

[45R]

Maybe I can get a chiropractor to come over and fix my M1A.

Skunk-
Send out your M1A to me anytime


45R

 

[Jeff OTMG]

What they also fail to point out is that drug dealers are shooting rival drug dealers, so of course they know each other. There was recently an article from Baltimore showing that people who were murdered generally had criminal records. In Baltimore the murder victims are the dirt bags.

 

[DrPsycho]

Reminds me of the 'Sunlight causes death' paper.

 

[tyme]

I seem to recall this same study (though obviously not that particular JTO message) being posted a while back.
[blockquote]The study further found that people with guns at home are 16 times more likely to commit suicide using guns[/blockquote]
Positively shocking... people use dangerous items readily available to commit suicide? I would have thought they'd pay for a whitewater rafting trip and then "accidentally" fall overboard... seems like the most enjoyable way to go, at least... but then again, how many people plan to drown themselves or jump from high places and then decide not to because the view is so beautiful...

 

[Standing Wolf]

...the New York Times reported May 27.

That's a notch or two down the scale from quoting comic books.

 

[George Hill]

I'd rather die getting shot than die because of a stupid driver... be it Drunk Driving or Distracted Driving. I dont know which is worse now. The numbers of drunks are dropping... but the number of idiots gabbing away on cell phones and not paying a bit of attention is rocketting. I think cars should have an anti-cell phone field that kills cellular use while the car is in motion.
I kid you not last week I was almost killed by this stupid moronic bimbo that - I am so serious here, this really happened - who was talking on a cell phone with one hand while putting on eye makeup with the other.

This person drifted rapidly into my lane and literally ran me off the road. I had to go 4 wheels into the shoulder with my jeep full of sons. After laying on the horn the lady pulled back into her lane and then - I can't believe it - she flipped me off.

I read the plate # into my voice recorder and went home. Then I called the police... Who did absolutely nothing. Who refused to do anything. My only fear is that when Karma catches up to her, she is going to take out someone else with her.

Bumpersticker - "Million Mom March" on her Dakota.

Where are my fricken sharks with laser beams attached to their heads? Throw me a bone people...

 

[TarpleyG]

"People who are shot are substantially more likely to die than people injured with non-gun weapons,"

So I guess guns do work as intended...

GT

 

[FPrice]

This study is of course in error and the reason, like Kellerman's (in)famous study is that the sample base is fatally (no pun intended) flawed.

A sample basis for a study of this nature, to be accurate, must be from the general population AS A WHOLE, not the sub-set of this population which consists of victims of a particular type of death (that is, death by firearm).

It's kinda like taking a water sample from a polluted harbor and deducing that the entire ocean is polluted in the same way.

Disclaimer: I am not a statistician, nor do I play one on TV.

 

[Labinnac]

People who drive cars are more likely to be involved in a car accident than those who don't.

 

[Nightfall]

"People who are shot are substantially more likely to die than people injured with non-gun weapons,"

Translation: You are more likely to die if somebody blows a hole in you with a 12 gauge than if somebody smacks you with a baseball bat.

I nominate this Dumbest and Most Obvious Statement of the Year.

 

[Quintin Likely]

Dope dealer shooting the buyer, dope runner shooting the supplier, Crips shooting the Bloods, pimps shooting their whores, domestic violence scumbags who are out of jail to shoot their old lady again...

 

[bfason]

Diets cause obesity. Everyone I know who is on a diet is overweight.

/toggle sarcasm off

 

[John Harrison]

I found some choice nuggets of info while reading this study. The biggest outrage came from the fact that they weren't sure that the guns were actually kept in the home! Argh

There are methodologic limitations. First, numerous factors affect the accuracy of survey-based firearm data. The data used here might be similarly affected. For example, husbands and wives might not be equally familiar with the guns in their home and thus might answer differently.57 Whether a given subject has valid gun data might therefore depend on who was interviewed. Because the case subjects and control subjects came from different sources, this study warrants considerations that build on this initial consideration...One reason to expect fewer case subjects than control subjects to be classified correctly is that the gun data for case subjects came from next of kin; that is, from persons who might not have lived with the decedent and might have known little about their guns.59 By contrast, fewer control subjects than case subjects could be classified correctly if control subjects were disinclined to admit owning guns on a survey in which this was eschewed. Bias from differential misclassification could have resulted for these and other reasons and in a direction that cannot be anticipated.

Large proportions of responses were missing in the variable of interest: whether a firearm was in the home. The multiple imputation techniques used here are designed for such circumstances but do not obviate the limitations of incomplete data... A limitation comes from not knowing whether the gun used fatally had actually been kept in the victim's home. This study found consistency between the type of gun in the home and the type used fatally but could not establish the gun's true origin.

Ten potential confounders were controlled for in this analysis. However, the greatest source of potential bias might be confounding from risk factors that were not measured or were controlled only partially. For example, confounding by locality (ie, urban versus rural) might have been better controlled with specific demographic information. Locality is a potential confounder because it is related to both firearm availability and the likelihood that a sustained injury will be fatal because emergency medical response times vary. Other potential confounders that were not controlled were mental illness among subjects or family members8,9 and histories of violence,4 illicit drug4,8 and alcohol use,8 time spent (exposed) at home, and lifestyle factors like gang membership and drug dealing

Finally, the use of data from the early 1990s, the same period of the earlier studies of the homicide4 and suicide8 risks associated with keeping guns at home, was a coincidence... Studies in the current context are needed.

To address limitations and to better understand the implications of owning firearms and keeping them at home, it remains important to collect additional and more comprehensive data,64 to control for confounders beyond those related to individuals (eg, neighborhood factors),24,29 to more accurately measure firearms exposure, and then to evaluate whether the risks and benefits of gun ownership are consistent with the evidence to date.

After these choice bits they come to this conclusion: In summary, on the basis of national samples drawn in the early 1990s, adults who have a gun or guns in their home appear at risk to be shot fatally (gun homicide) or to take their own life with a firearm. Physicians should continue to discuss these implications with patients who own guns or have guns at home and to consider how patients might make their environment safer.

 

[Sylvilagus Aquaticus]

Hmmm...would these people care that my physician goes to the range with me and collects AK's and Mosin-Nagants?

Regards,
Rabbit.


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