What ammo does your CZ527 Carbine in 7.62x39 like...?

[chaseguitar]

I was shooting my CZ527 carbine in 7.62x39 this pm and I really noticed how much it likes one ammo over another....It will shoot Federal Powershok into an inch at 100 yards, while the Wolf stuff, either the Military Classic or the black box, looks like a shotgun pattern at 100 yards...I bought the gun for a intermediate brush gun and range workhorse, to give me some trigger time with a "high powered" rifle without spending a fortune on ammo...And I guess to some extent it does that...but shooting the expensive ammo kida defeats the purpose for me....Was wondering if anyone has another option for cheaper ammo that their gun likes....

 

[R.W.Dale]

my gun liked the Barnual/Monarch and 154grn Wolf best of all factory loadings, even better than brass cased stuff

 

[rangerruck]

a cz is a foreign made gun, and uses foreign made specs. So if you are shooting american made ammo, chances are, you will throw out shotgun patterns.
otherwise, it can take the crappest of foreign made stuff, and turn it into a moa paperpunch.

to me , it actually sounds like you got the above backwards!!!! also try monarch/tc/barnaul, brown bear, silver bear, chinese tiger, anything at all foreign.

 

[xx7grant7x]

I had never heard of this gun before this thread (although i've never really looked at 7.62x39 bolt guns) But having looked into one, they definitely struck a chord with me. How do they shoot with cheaper ammo (steel cased wolf/gold tiger) what kind of groups do you get? looks like a neat fun gun to shoot

 

[stubbicatt]

I would imagine that you could shoot the steel cased stuff if you wanted. The handloading opportunities for this rifle astound.

 

[R.W.Dale]

a cz is a foreign made gun, and uses foreign made specs. So if you are shooting american made ammo, chances are, you will throw out shotgun patterns.
otherwise, it can take the crappest of foreign made stuff, and turn it into a moa paperpunch.

Care to elaborate on this one? What are these foregn made specs vs domestic?

BTW I know where this is going.

 

[woof]

I have used Barnaul Brown Bear SP almost exclusively in mine. I only shot at 50 yds because it was a dense woods deer rifle for me. I got one inch groups at that range with the iron sights, which are excellent.

 

[jjohnson]

Foreign? Whaaaa?

Oh, fer cryin' out loud:

What are these foregn made specs vs domestic?

I'm with Krochus. :banghead: I guess the world is flat, too.

Never mind - I'm leaving this thread instead of getting sucked into another hopeless argument.

 

[M'bogo]

Mine shoots the factory Wolf 154gr soft points better than any factory load I have tried. They also work quite well on deer. I have shot several deer with that load.

M'bogo

 

[R.W.Dale]

Oh, fer cryin' out loud:



I'm with Krochus. :banghead: I guess the world is flat, too.

Never mind - I'm leaving this thread instead of getting sucked into another hopeless argument.

What gets me is we disproved this very subject to rangerruck 2 years ago, with pics no less and he still repeats the same misinformation

 

[Seven©]

Try Lapua. It's accurate and clean. And not that much more than Wolf. There's a local shop where I can buy 30 round boxes for $8.50. They sell Wolf for $5.00 for the 20 round boxes. Lapua is just a few more cents/round and worth it IMO.

http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=862

 

[Seven©]

Try Lapua. It's accurate and clean. And not that much more than Wolf. There's a local shop where I can buy 30 round boxes for $8.50. They sell Wolf for $5.00 for the 20 round boxes. Lapua is just a few more cents/round and worth it IMO.

http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=862

 

[Seven©]

Try Lapua. It's accurate and clean. And not that much more than Wolf. There's a local shop where I can buy 30 round boxes for $8.50. They sell Wolf for $5.00 for the 20 round boxes. Lapua is just a few more cents/round and worth it IMO.

http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=862

 

[Seven©]

Try Lapua. It's accurate and clean. And not that much more than Wolf. There's a local shop where I can buy 30 round boxes for $8.50. They sell Wolf for $5.00 for the 20 round boxes. Lapua is just a few more cents/round and worth it IMO.

http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=862

 

[Seven©]

Try Lapua. It's accurate and clean. And not that much more than Wolf. There's a local shop where I can buy 30 round boxes for $8.50. They sell Wolf for $5.00 for the 20 round boxes. Lapua is just a few more cents/round and worth it IMO.

http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=862

 

[chaseguitar]

Thanks for the help folks...I'll try some of that Barnaul/Monarch stuff and the heavier Wolf...any ideas where I can get it cheapest...and Seven I'd love to know where in the world you can buy that Lapua for 8.50/30 rounds....I'd pay to have that shipped....

 

[Seven©]

Sorry about the mess above. thr keeps showing blank screens when I post.

Anywho, chaseguitar I'll pm you the guys' info. It's a small shop but they keep it all the time. Don't know if they'd be willing to ship. Never hurts to ask. Pm on the way.

 

[chaseguitar]

Thanks Seven...I'll give em a call....hope it works out. I've heard great things about that Lapua...

 

[pbrktrt]

the Lapua is probably the best out there but be aware it is not a hunting round. fmj bullets should not be used on game.

 

[grimjaw]

I am trying to find the picture of the target I shot with five different types of ammunition through the CZ 527 I had. Mine did group well with at least two types of American made ammunition, but at least two other types weren't great. IIRC, Remington softpoints performed poorly. Might be tonight before I can find this picture.

I bought it with the idea that I'd be able to shoot inexpensive imported ammunition through it, which I did for a little while. Then a Wolf case split in the chamber and when I tried to extract it, not very forcefully I might add, the bolt came out but the extractor was left in the rifle with the spent cartridge. I ended up having to ram the case out with a rod. There was no damage to the chamber and CZ replaced the entire bolt, but that left a bad impression with me about the combination of Russian ammo in my pretty turnbolt.

I sold it because at the time I didn't hunt; I didn't trust shooting lacquer-coated imported ammunition in it; and I couldn't afford to plink with it. In hindsight, I wish I'd kept it. It was extremely handy and accurate enough at hunting distances to make a good deer gun with the right ammunition.

The idea that all US-made 7.62x39 is made for US-made guns doesn't make sense to me. Just how many 7.62x39 chambered firearms are there out there with .308 bores? The Mini30 and what else? What sense does it make to sell undersized bullets in that caliber when the majority of firearms chambered for that round are .311. Three US companies I can think of produce 7.62x39 target ammo in addition to their hunting lines, and none of it is cheap. Of those, I think Winchester's stuff is produced overseas anyway. Do you really think there's that much of a cost difference in producing .311-sized bullets that Remington et al substitute .308 diameter bullets instead?

Really?

It is getting very tiresome to see THR becoming such a rumor-mongering, conspiracy forum that produces no facts to back up claims. I don't have the equipment since I don't reload, otherwise I'd measure a box of American Eagle for you and post the results. Let's see data, not hearsay.

jm

 

[Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow]

Seven unloaded his whole magazine on us.

krochus, are the 'foreign specs' referred to just the .311 bullet? If so then that is valid to a certain extent, in that I believe some ammo maker(s), at some point in time, loaded .308 bullets in factory x39 ammo, specifically for the Ruger Mini 30 rifles (which have a .308 bore, but will shoot .311 - actually, I think the Ruger bore is around .309 or close).

Or is he referring to something other than bullet diameter?

 

[JImbothefiveth]

So if you are shooting american made ammo, chances are, you will throw out shotgun patterns.

He said it shoots best with American ammo.

 

[jackdanson]

That's because the american ammo is .308, while the russian stuff is .310.

::runs off to hide from krochus::






Above comment was a joke BTW, I'm guessing the truth is that the powders that wolf is using are too inconsistent to throw out accurate groups. You get what you pay for and all. I'd try some "bear" russian stuff, I seem to have decent luck with it in my saigas.

 

[R.W.Dale]

krochus, are the 'foreign specs' referred to just the .311 bullet? If so then that is valid to a certain extent, in that I believe some ammo maker(s), at some point in time, loaded .308 bullets in factory x39 ammo, specifically for the Ruger Mini 30 rifles (which have a .308 bore, but will shoot .311 - actually, I think the Ruger bore is around .309 or close).

Or is he referring to something other than bullet diameter?

again this is a complete and utter MYTH

It's been almost 20years since the very first run of rugers used .308 barrels, and as best I've been able to find since then NOT ONE round of American made ammuntion has been loaded with anything other than a .310 bullet.

But you guys will repeat this as though it's gospel. Where did you come up with this? I've even started a thread about the origins of this tidbit of firearms folklore.

http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=417290

and this is the thread where I thought we had driven a stake through the heart of this undead kernel of wisdom
http://thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=178431&highlight=myth

now on the other hand American made 7.62x39 ammo is laughably underloaded as evidenced in one of my sig links

 

[R.W.Dale]

Above comment was a joke BTW, I'm guessing the truth is that the powders that wolf is using are too inconsistent to throw out accurate groups. You get what you pay for and all. I'd try some "bear" russian stuff, I seem to have decent luck with it in my saigas.

Witht he exclusion of the 154grn loading I've found Barnual/Monarch to be the most accurate amongst steel cased x39 loads. But every gun is it's own individual.