esmith
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The scene in Starsky and Hutch where Ben Stiller whips his gun around his back and tries to shoot the guy holding a gun to hutchs head. He ends up shooting a good guy.
What are the dumbest gun handling skills you've seen in hollywood movies?
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"Every show/original movie on SCI-FI"
Lol I remember watching a sci-fi show where they were shooting a giant kamodo dragon. One guy was in the back of a truck shooting a bolt action rifle semi auto. Oh and the scene in XXX-State of the union, with the prison guard with a semi auto bolt action. And the movie Mean Guns. ANY Chuck Norris move! I can go on and on too.
Atleast Steven Seagall knows how to fire a gun, wich is why he is one of my 2 favorite actors.
Lol I remember watching a sci-fi show where they were shooting a giant kamodo dragon. One guy was in the back of a truck shooting a bolt action rifle semi auto. Oh and the scene in XXX-State of the union, with the prison guard with a semi auto bolt action. And the movie Mean Guns. ANY Chuck Norris move! I can go on and on too.
Atleast Steven Seagall knows how to fire a gun, wich is why he is one of my 2 favorite actors.
Silvanus
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I laugh at the countless firearms mistakes too, but I think that some of them are probably intentional. Not every character in the movie is supposed to have had a lot of training with guns. What I hate most is the "clicking" sound when a person points a gun at somebody. Especially when they are Glocks or other pistols that don't have safeties or hammers.
Gaucho Gringo
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Although the gun handling may be questionable in the "Quick and the Dead" I did enjoy the diversity of firearms that are time period correct. I especially liked the the LeMat or Root revolver (couldn't tell which one) the Swedish character had and the Colt cartridge conversion that Cort had.
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Die Hard 3: Samuel L Jackson threatens the main BG with an MP5, but forgets to disengage the safety (D'oh!)
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> Bourne Identity, near the end in the stairwell when he fires two pistols, one right side up the other upside down using his pinky to pull the trigger...yeah right.
Well, he's supposed to be this super-assassin, so they're just showing off how studly he is...
Well, he's supposed to be this super-assassin, so they're just showing off how studly he is...
Silvanus
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I just watched "LA Confidential"...In the final shootout, "Shotgun-Ed"(I'm not good at remembering names
) picks up a pump-action shotgun with one hand and you can hear the typical "pumping" sound
Very cool movie, though imo.
) picks up a pump-action shotgun with one hand and you can hear the typical "pumping" sound Very cool movie, though imo.
Agent 86
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It's been a while since the last post, but here's my two cents anyway.
Aside from the tipical sound of a hammer being cocked when a glock is drawn, there is one specific instance that is horrible.
In Rambo III, Col. Trautman is captured by the Soviets. When he is brought before the base commander, he gets a handgun shoved in his face. The only problem is the "menacing" gun isn't so "menacing at" all. The slide is in lockback. A pretty dumb mistake.
Aside from the tipical sound of a hammer being cocked when a glock is drawn, there is one specific instance that is horrible.
In Rambo III, Col. Trautman is captured by the Soviets. When he is brought before the base commander, he gets a handgun shoved in his face. The only problem is the "menacing" gun isn't so "menacing at" all. The slide is in lockback. A pretty dumb mistake.
I hate it when after a long car/boat/plane/train ride the hero/villain arrives at a location walk/runs to a door/window looks inside and then decides it is time to load the semi/pump weapon by racking the slide/pump/bolt. Usually as they enter the building/room. if I know I am going to a hostile location why not get the weapon ready first.
Not a movie, but I remember a scene from TV's Crossing Jordan, I believe it was. The bad guy was holding a shotgun on one of the show's regular characters, and just as they cut from him to the star you heard the typical sound of a pump shotgun being racked to load a shell in the chamber. You know, the sound that is supposed to make everyone soil their pants? Funny thing is, though, that I didn't know you could make a double barrel sound that way.
fletcher
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Several times I've seen a scene where someone will have a loaded gun aimed at the head of their target, then decide not to shoot, and lower the hammer down slowly while keeping the gun aimed right at the person's head. I guess safeties/decockers are overrated.
Mark_from_Iowa
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In "Behind Enemy Lines" when Owen Wilson's character is picked up by the resistance fighters (good guys), one of them holds a pistol to his head with a finger on the trigger. I assume the scene is supposed to make you nervous that Owen is a finger-twitch away from dying. Unfortunately, the pistol in question is a CZ-52, which is a single action. My own example is nearly impossible to cock with only my right thumb and keep it on target.
That movie is also notable for the main character's seeming invulneability to MG fire, artillery, and explosives.
That movie is also notable for the main character's seeming invulneability to MG fire, artillery, and explosives.
DixieTexian
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How long have our modern safety rules been around and how many of the bad guys actually use them? I think a lot of people are careless when it comes to safety rules. And movies like westerns, those guns were completely different than ours today. Nearly all of them had a hammer that had to be cocked in order to shoot. So, hammer down with a finger on the trigger was probably considered safe. As far as spinning a lever action to cock it goes, it is completely safe. When the gun is pointed in an unsafe direction, the action is open. Not until it finishes the spin is it closed. The only way you can hurt yourself spinning a lever gun is it you hit yourself in the shoulder with the front sight.
I think Hollywood is wising up a bit. For instance, Jack Bauer has good trigger control, and I watched "Next" recently (which had some pretty damn awesome gun fight scenes, btw) and they all had good handling and firearm discipline - very impressive.
For the most part, it irritates me when it's an action film, but not so much when it's something else where someone "just has a gun". An action film's bread and butter are: a) cool and professional gun handling, b) accurate portrayals of firearm use, and c) good gun sound effects. The sound effects don't even need to be the right ones - just make them sound good, for cryin' out loud! It is astounding so many movies screw these up, let alone all three at once.
ETA: the ones that irritate me the most is when people are able to use concealment for cover, and hwen bullets just pock-mark metal surfaces. A perfect example of this is the movie The Marine (*sigh* yes, I saw it - as a background distraction while I was doing work), where the police car (actually a fancy sports car with a light bar) gets shot up by the bad guys he's trying to follow using an M16, USI, pistols, etc.: bullet pock marks every 2" in the hoot, roof, etc., but the tires are OK, the radiator probably hasn't been hit yet, and the windshield is gone, yet he's not hit. And then he uses a flak jacket from within the car to deflect a full-auto burst from an M16 as if the vest was a midevil shield made from 2" steel plate.
Other than that, the biggest irritant is when you've got a gun like a .30-30 lever action and it makes a pathetic little pop, or a variety of different sounds (sometimes a pop, sometimes a shotgun sound - ***), has no recoil when fired like a pistol, etc. On the flip side of that, I love it when a show or movie uses a shorter shotgun and they actually show the protagonist pumping the action (best example I an think of are actually a couple scenes in '24' where Jack Bauer uses one for entry, because I watched it recently).
For the most part, it irritates me when it's an action film, but not so much when it's something else where someone "just has a gun". An action film's bread and butter are: a) cool and professional gun handling, b) accurate portrayals of firearm use, and c) good gun sound effects. The sound effects don't even need to be the right ones - just make them sound good, for cryin' out loud! It is astounding so many movies screw these up, let alone all three at once.
ETA: the ones that irritate me the most is when people are able to use concealment for cover, and hwen bullets just pock-mark metal surfaces. A perfect example of this is the movie The Marine (*sigh* yes, I saw it - as a background distraction while I was doing work), where the police car (actually a fancy sports car with a light bar) gets shot up by the bad guys he's trying to follow using an M16, USI, pistols, etc.: bullet pock marks every 2" in the hoot, roof, etc., but the tires are OK, the radiator probably hasn't been hit yet, and the windshield is gone, yet he's not hit. And then he uses a flak jacket from within the car to deflect a full-auto burst from an M16 as if the vest was a midevil shield made from 2" steel plate.
Other than that, the biggest irritant is when you've got a gun like a .30-30 lever action and it makes a pathetic little pop, or a variety of different sounds (sometimes a pop, sometimes a shotgun sound - ***), has no recoil when fired like a pistol, etc. On the flip side of that, I love it when a show or movie uses a shorter shotgun and they actually show the protagonist pumping the action (best example I an think of are actually a couple scenes in '24' where Jack Bauer uses one for entry, because I watched it recently).
Na, it saves the director and/or writer from having to come up with something witty and/or weighty for a bit character to say, and means they don't need to hire a bit character to say it. It's just theater, in the purest sense of the word.
Dravur
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The definitive guide to Holly Wood gun play...
Holly Wood has all the answers....
1. Holly says that any six shooter that fires more than 6 shots was a special design that fires a much smaller round and can therefore hold 100 rounds in the same cylinder.
2. Safeties on all hollwood guns are broken. This allows the gun to still fire as film is expensive and they need to get the takes done.
3. Glocks are held sideways because A. Its cooler... and B. this allows the bad guy to have a trademark and allows real gun guys another reason to hate the BG.
4. Trigger control? We don't need no stinkin trigger control.
5. If we dress up a standard pistol, it becomes a Sci-Fi gun... automatically.
6. Spinning a rifle is cool. This allows for the use of 2 rifles and new dental work as the reins pull out your original teeth. This gives a better smile.
7, Innacuracies in gun terminology. WE aren't gun people and we don't know any. We get to make it up.
There ya go, 7 rules from Holly Wood.
Holly Wood has all the answers....
1. Holly says that any six shooter that fires more than 6 shots was a special design that fires a much smaller round and can therefore hold 100 rounds in the same cylinder.
2. Safeties on all hollwood guns are broken. This allows the gun to still fire as film is expensive and they need to get the takes done.
3. Glocks are held sideways because A. Its cooler... and B. this allows the bad guy to have a trademark and allows real gun guys another reason to hate the BG.
4. Trigger control? We don't need no stinkin trigger control.
5. If we dress up a standard pistol, it becomes a Sci-Fi gun... automatically.
6. Spinning a rifle is cool. This allows for the use of 2 rifles and new dental work as the reins pull out your original teeth. This gives a better smile.
7, Innacuracies in gun terminology. WE aren't gun people and we don't know any. We get to make it up.
There ya go, 7 rules from Holly Wood.
Black Majik
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Lethal Weapon
At the Range, Mel Gibson and Danny Glover are at the range practicing. Danny Glover shoots his group and tries to impress Gibson.
Mel Gibson pulls out his Beretta, produced the MEANEST FLINCH, no cycling of the slide, no spent brass coming out of the gun. Meanwhile you hear brass hitting the floor and Gibson produces a smiley face to show for.
I wish I could do that.
At the Range, Mel Gibson and Danny Glover are at the range practicing. Danny Glover shoots his group and tries to impress Gibson.
Mel Gibson pulls out his Beretta, produced the MEANEST FLINCH, no cycling of the slide, no spent brass coming out of the gun. Meanwhile you hear brass hitting the floor and Gibson produces a smiley face to show for.
I wish I could do that.
Tommygunn
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DixieTexian said:
If you try this with a Winchester 1892 action, centrifical force will lift the nose of the round upward and the bolt will try to close on it. It might work OK with an 1873, or 1866 type action.
The '92 used by Chuck Connors in The Rifleman has a specially modified bolt to overcome this problem.
Can't recall the name of the movie, but it was a police drama type of early 90s B movie. A secondary character is in a shoot-out, and has a failure to fire with his automatic. He crouches down behind cover (an empty plastic trash can, of course). He drops the mag in the pistol, which is at least realistic, then proceeds to attempt to clear the apparently jammed round by HOLDING THE BARREL AND SLIDE WHILE REPEATEDLY SMASHING THE GUN HANDLE AGAINST HIS FOREHEAD!!!!
It's the dichotomy of the one little correct detail (dropping the mag) followed by something that isn't just STUPID, but just plain silly as well.
It's the dichotomy of the one little correct detail (dropping the mag) followed by something that isn't just STUPID, but just plain silly as well.
DixieTexian
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Well, I know it works with my Winchester 94 Trapper. I also know that that front sight can get you in the shoulder if you aren't carefull.
rantingredneck
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nevermind I see I posted the same thing a couple months ago. My memory is not what it used to be
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