What are Your Training Needs???

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sully

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Greetings to all. I am wanting some insite and ideas of what my staff or other Training Providers may do to better meet your needs and provide training that people want, desire, are required to have, or just plain need. If you would please share your thoughts.

Thank You and Stay Safe,
Greg Sullivan "Sully"
Chief Instructor
www.thedefensiveedge.com
 
1. Close-range fighting.

2. Empty-hand techniques for prior to the presentation.

3. Situational Awareness practices (something similar to profiling or the noting of key-indicators)

That's just off of the top of my head. On the job, these are the three areas that I see the most of, and one kind of leads to another.

Did I help?
 
Empty-hand techniques for prior to the presentation.

Definitely agree on that one, it seems to be on the back of most people's minds. More specifically, I would stress firearm retention.
 
Avoidance. Tactics to use to better your fighting position or get out of a dangerous situation.

Within Arms Reach, empty hand and handgun.

One of the best seminars I went to spent a day doing nothing but breaking out of various holds. THose with some previous hand to hand/ martial arts training had and advantage here, and some was redundant for those people, but even the first timers agreed it was a good thing. Breaking free and gaining distance to access firearm = good thing.

Always:

Retentrion
CQB
Transition
(I'd focus shotgun to handgun - no flames please)
Knife fighting primer (lots of places a gun can't go)
Use of impact weapons


I'll keep thinking.

Smoke
 
Training desired with comments

1. Shooting while on the run.
This does NOT mean a linear approach of going straight towards and away from the target .

2. Shooting on the walk with a rifle at 100 yards. Comment. No one in combat stands there with a rifle like in DCM competiton.

3. 360 degree dynamic movement. This does NOT mean standing in one place like a stationary target and swiveling around on one's feet. This does NOT mean going static at any time in movement to take a shot. No demonstration of a technique with overswing. No postion SUL.

4. Engaging at 12 feet or less dynamically. This does NOT mean rock and shoot. It does NOT mean two to the chest and one to the head or sticking out your strong side arm.

5. Low light without flash lights.

6. 2 am engagements with low power optics.

7. precision rifle shooting at unknown distances, with and without a spotter.

You asked. This is the realistic training that I want. No embroidered t shirts, paper certificates of completion and coffee mugs. No bragging rights that I went to a particular school.
 
After the miserable performance I put in down in Memphis this weekend, I have to say MORE.:p

The two most helpful things I believe to any beginning gun skul student, "and one time, at gun camp . . .", would be the introduction of drills they can perform at home. "This is the gun kata.":D The other is stressing the importance of movement. It's all about the footwork, then it's about the bling, bling. "Go back to the room and practice your footwork at least four hour."

ElIwatchedwaytoomanyDVDsonthewaytoMemphis,friggingninehoursinvanTejon
 
Sully,
Did you ever get the short stocks for the Benelli shotgun into production?
I have one of you stocks on my AR. I want one for my Benelli.
 
Low Light training.
In every class I have taken, one evening, for a couple hours, we did some low light shooting and lecture. In other words, it was basically glossed over. I would like to take a five day class that is conducted entirelly in low light. Instead of just being a novelty, you would get serious training with some chance of developing some muscle memory etc. This could be as simple as a regular class conducted at night. Those of us that are gear junkies buy the cool Surefire dedicated weapons light and the cool flashlights so that we can use them for a couple hours.

Tactical Senarios/Simunitions/Simulators (whatever you want to call them). In every class I have taken, a very brief discussion of tactics and techniques have been discussed and a little bit of time is spent during actually hands on work. In every case, it seemed to me that I was basically sent into the senario without much knowlege or training and then after the fact what I did was discussed. For some of the student's, this stuff is something they do everyday: they are police or law enforcement. I have no knowledge of this stuff and usually fail miserably. Also, the senarios are sort of a cross between a law enforcement senario and a private citizen senario. I don't know what to do. Why not have a class like this designed strictly for the private citizen: Glass breaking in the middle of the night, arriving home to find your front door ajar, being robbed at an ATM machine etc. With instruction on the appropriate legalities etc. No shooting on the square range, just tactical senarios carefully discussed. Few situations where there are five bad guys in your house........................realistic situations for the private armed citizen.
 
Transitions--empty hand to gun, empty hand to knife, gun to knife, gun to empty hand, empty hand standing to clinch, clinch to ground, groundfighting to knife, groundfighting to gun, etc. etc. etc.

This fascinates me, and I think it's being ignored even though some are doing a lot of talking about it.
 
Basic home safety preparedness. Tactical training as it relates to CCW and handguns (threat awareness, legalities, etc).
 
Just to echo what 444 said:

Ditto.

This squid can never realistically expect to use the stuff he's learning at various schools at work. If the Navy's supply bubba's have to be handed rifles, kiss yer heinie goodby, for the fecal material has truly hit the rotary blade. Therefore, away from the workplace is where I realistically expect to use it. That is, on the street, or at home.

I, too, find the shoothouse drills I have done to date somewhat......lacking. Ditto for low-light.
 
i've heard of stories where the guy was killed before he could even draw his weapon. how about some training on when you should draw, what to do if the bg is to close for you to safely draw your weapon. i don't think gun fighting stops with good marksmanship, we need solid tactics. i also like the idea of open hand tatics.
 
It seems to me that trainers have to walk a fine line between teaching and shooting. I would imagine that a lot of people would get bored if most of the class was lecture and discussion. If people are bored, they won't come back and won't tell their friends. So, the classes are 90% shooting. I have been to a few of the shooting classes and enjoyed them to no end. I wouldn't have traded my time there for a trip anywhere else in the world to do anything else in the world. Not that I am a great shot, or great at anything else, but (as I mentioned above) I would like a class that was less shooting and more tactics.

Of course the low light class I would like to take would be the more traditional type of class, only held at night. But I would like to see it beyond just shooting at a target using a flashlight or a weapons mounted light. I would like to get into searching with a light and gun. Force on force with a light and a gun. Talking to a potential threat at night using the light.

Front Sight, here near me, offers a very limited number of night classes. Obviously, here in the desert it is very hot during the summer and in July (I think), Front Sight offers their basic classes at night. But, I think it only lasts for like one week and that is your only chance for the year to take a night class. I intended to take one this year but my work schedule didn't cooperate and again, that was my only chance this year to take one.
 
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