What caliber for first time shooter?

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Take her shooting and let her decide. A lot of people choose to shoot 22's for the CCW class simply because there is little recoil. I took my class with a 3" GP-100 loaded with 357's. It was a bit noisy compared to most of the other shooters. It was a new gun and I had only shot it to make sure it was safe and functioned right prior to the class. So, I wasn't going to stretch out the target distance on the qualifying shots. Failing the shooting portion would be really embarrassing.
 
Looks like most agree.

22LR is the place to cut ones teeth.

Did it with my daughters; now doing it with my grandchildren.

Great fun as well.
 
I have always started out beginning female shooters with a .22, either revolver or semi-auto depending on which they felt most comfortable using. From there I would usually move them up to a full size 9mm. pistol or a K frame S&W in .38 Special with wadcutter target loads. After that it's whatever they feel like shooting. The first time out with my very petite teenage sister, she went from a Ruger Mk.II to a Star Model B 9mm. and finished up with my Browning BDA .45. Did great with all three, especially with the BDA.
 
My petite, Soviet-raised wife took her first handgun shots earlier this year in a session that included the following pieces:

Phoenix HP22A
Heritage Rough Rider 4.75" bbl.
Taurus PT-22.
Bersa Thunder .380.
Charter Arms Undercover .38 (wood stocks.)

She handled the Phoenix and Taurus very well, preferring the latter because of its smoother profile, lighter weight, and firm trigger. She kept coming back to that gun.

She found the HRR revolver "too heavy" for her pencil-thin wrists.

She disliked the snap of both the Bersa Thunder and the Charter Arms, taking only two shots from the former (I wanted her to feel both trigger actions) and one from the latter.

She declined to fire either the Ruger Police Service Six (.38 rounds available) or the Ruger P95.
I do own a Phoenix HP22A, but I think it's overly complicated for a new shooter and it can not be unchambered with out a mag installed... Way to many safeties...

She will attending a class at a local gun range. My fear is that there might not be or there might be limited options in 22lr for her to choose from and rent while being in a class of 20-30 people.
 
Is she taking a concealed carry class or a basic handgun class at the local range?

I don't know about your location, but in many places concealed carry classes are just concealed carry, not how or what to shoot. There is a different class for handgun basics that beginners should take first.

E.g. around my neck of the woods there are shops/ranges that do concealed carry classes that include the use of a gun and 50rd of ammo, but for the gun you have a choice of is a Glock 17 or another Glock 17, and either way you go you will be using range reloads. The only shooting done is a specific qualification course of fire required by the state. It may be a great class but it isn't a great way to learn to shoot.
 
I've said it before, I'll say it again. Let her pick what she wants, regardless if you think it is optimal. Let her shoot a variety (probably of 380, 9mm, and .38 if she is going for a cwp). She will like one or the other. My wife loved the .38 and didn't like the 9mm. Part of it was that she liked the revolver system more. In either case, she got her own .38 snubbie at the beginning of May, a Taurus 605 stainless.

Well, a picture is worth 1,000 words. Here is a 15yd target from her last session:
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Sub-3 inch groups made me put down the plastic subcompact I was shooting and pick up a 1911 just to keep up. She was consistently under 2.5" at 10yd. With a .38 snubbie.

If she decides on what she wants to shoot, she will want to get better. And she will. Once I told her how dry firing helps, she started dry firing every night, and it shows. About the only input I had in the process is bumping her toward a .357, just for future potential if she wants to use it later.
 
Praxidike writes:

I do own a Phoenix HP22A, but I think it's overly complicated for a new shooter and it can not be unchambered with out a mag installed... Way to many safeties...

I absolutely agree. I handed it to my wife during her "orientation", and she shot it, but the thought of her ever having access to it for defensive use never crossed my mind.

This was my response to someone else asking about the gun for his lady:

Not the Phoenix, if she might carry it.

Way too heavy for its size, single-action (must be cocked to fire), two opposing manual safety levers, at least three complicating passive safeties, and lots of sharp corners.

Don't get me wrong; it's a great little gun. I have one, and carry it around when hiking sometimes. Super-reliable with quality ammunition, and well-balanced in the hand. Pretty accurate, too. But it's just too heavy and overly-complicated to be carried for defense.

For that size, the Taurus PT22, also shot during that session, works much better. It's lighter, smoother, has a DAO trigger, and needs no manual safety (though it does have one.)
 
My wife is pretty small. 5' nothing and 100lbs soaking wet. She shoots my M&P9 pretty well. She also handles the Taurus pt709 and Ruger SP 101.
She can't rack the slide on any of the auto loaders though.

I started her out with reduced power hand loads and worked her up to factory target ammo.
I would think the XD would be good starter if you don't have a .22 cal.
 
post 9 sums up everything. you cannot make them uncomfortable on the first time out.
happened to my wife 26 years ago and she wasn't even firing the handgun. it was a man with a .44, 2 bays down and it was the noise that scared her. small steps are the best.
 
Do remember two things about small revolvers:

1) They tend to have pretty stiff springs and tough trigger pulls (tend to, not all do).

2) They are pretty universally understood to be harder to master than almost any other form of handgun. Long pull, short sight radius, heavy springs -- all contribute to a great deal of skill being required to make accurate shots.

Contrary to much internet and gun shop advice, a snubby revolver is not a novice's weapon.

I wish Ruger would make a 3" or 4" LCR. The trigger is very nice, and adding the extra sight radius would make it a decent option for people who want the simplicity of a revolver's manual of arms, but need something that isn't so hard to master marksmanship with in DA mode.
 
There is one problem starting with a .22 LR handgun,,,

There is one problem starting newbies with a .22 LR handgun,,,
This is something I've noticed in my adventures,,,
Of taking newbies to the range.

If you start them on .22 handguns,,,
They often don't want to transition to a centerfire.

I have always touted the .22 because it's ammo is affordable,,,
A person must practice shooting a gun to gain proficiency,,,
In many instances the cost of ammunition prevents this,,,
So the .22 rimfire overcomes this obstacle very nicely.

But getting them to transition to a centerfire,,,
Is proving to be a bit problematic.

One young lady I'm working with now,,,
She loves shooting my Bersa Thunder 22,,,
But when I hand her anything in .380 or 9mm,,,
She shoots a few rounds well and then starts flinching.

The only centerfire I own that she likes shooting,,,
Is my Model 67 in .38 with large target grips,,,
I had to pry the Model 18 out of her hands.

Not all of my young friends are like this,,,
But for some, I find it difficult to force the transition.

Aarond

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First pistol my wife ever fired was my 9mm and she didn't have any problem with it. Besides...I can't find .22 ammo. (And when I do, it's as high as a cat's back!) I vote 9.
 
True enough, Aarond. (re post #38)

Was shooting with a Detroit cop who had just bought a small Ruger revolver, IIRC an 8-shot, which he had just picked up from The Firing Line, a local gunshop.

He fired 8 shots from 7 yards/21 feet. Nice tight group you could cover with a quarter.

"What were you planning to do with that chipmunk gun," says I.

"It's my new BUG," says he.

He reloads, turns on the laser, and fires 8 more, all into a tight group, a little larger, but still you could cover it with a quarter.

"That's enough of that, its good to go," says he, and stuffs the Ruger into an ankle holster. Then proceeds to blast away with a 40 cal semi-auto.

Surprised me. (I carry a 44 in my ankle holster)
 
I'd say bring the 4" 9mm and some NON +P 125ish or 147ish grain ammo if you can find it, but if she has the option to get her hands on a .22, that would be ideal. I would recommend against using the Sig. When I was a kid, the only access to handguns that I had was what my dad bought with the intention of carrying. So guess what guns I got to learn on? at 12 years old, I shot my first handgun, a Bersa .380... and then when I was 16 my dad bought an Air-weight J-Frame. I can personally attest to all the negative points about the snubbby revolvers, they suck to learn on. It can be done, but its probably not ideal.

Anyway, anyone with a petite wife, girlfriend, sister, etc, what caliber/gun did they shoot for the first time?

So, I have a wacky idea, with its pro's and cons. Any chance you or a trusted friend can take your girlfriend to the range prior to class?

I've taught 2 women to shoot, and they both were tiny. The approach that I've found to work is that I use a progression. Start them off with a .22 rifle, then move up to the AR and AK, and then switch to handguns. .22, 9mm, maybe the .45.

I'm thinking if you had the chance to get her some range time:
-She's going to feel more at ease going into the class
-She won't be distracted during the classroom portion because she's worried about the range time
-She'll have a better idea what to expect during the range portion, and if she does have to shoot the 9mm instead of a .22, its no big deal, because she knows its within her capabilities

The 2 main cons that would come about from this are
1 - And this is NOTHING against you, more a general statement, but a lot of times, guys don't do a great job of teaching, especially when its a girlfriend, and may have the tendency to posture or try to impress the girl. I'm not saying this is going to be true for you, just that, if you do take her to the range, its something that you should be aware of.
2A - if she takes to it like a Marine to the stock market* she might not be as open minded going into the class. Again, not saying it will happen, just that its something she needs to be aware of.
2B - More likely, if she enjoys it, she may spend the classroom portion thinking "iwannagetontherangeiwannagetontherangeiwannagetontherangeiwannagetontherangeineedtoshootsomethingineedtoshootsomethingineedtoshootsomethingineedtoshootsomething"

Again, I don't know you guys, but I think its always prudent to know the pro's and cons when going into something. Also, I'd try to make sure that she's has comfortable earmuffs (not just plugs) and good safety glasses that won't fog up or be uncomfortable with the muffs.

I know tone doesn't carry well over the internet, so if it sounds like I'm talking down to you, my bad dude.

*- In BLINK Malcom Gladwell talks about a psychology experiment where the researchers took a group of Marines (I want to say they were from an Expeditionary unit) to a stock broker on wall street after hours, and ran them through a stock trading simulation. Naturally, the Marines excelled, since they are trained to evaluate information quickly and act accordingly. The fun part? The researchers took stockbrokers from that firm back to a military installation, and put them through various combat exercises, including, IIRC, small arms combat simulations and tank warfare. The stockbroker's performance was exceptional. (Hope you're seeing this LARRY)

Stay safe guys,
Chris "the Kayak-Man" Johnson
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I have a 17-8 ten shot S&w revolver with six inch barrel that is a dream to shoot. Every woman who has fired it enjoyed it. Plus reloading a revolver is easier than a clip. Great gun to certify with. I would highly recommend a 22 for starters. It's got to be fun or women move along.
 
a full 34 ounce k frame in 22 lr is always FUN to shoot.

the problem with new shooters is , the 22 is easy.

shooting a regular 38 special is a tad harder.

357 magnum is a bit harder then that.

but thats in the same gun. you take someone whos been shooting that 34 ounce handgun thats generating 1 pound of recoil in 22lr, and suddenly give them a real cartridge in that caliber, say 38 spcl +p, and 4 times the recoil and more noise to boot,

they wont want to shoot because its not EASY.
 
I've taught many women (and men) to shoot. If they are particularly afraid of guns, I start them on a .22lr (I think the Ruger SR22 is great for this). If not, then I start them on a 9mm with a mild load. I let them try several different guns - revolver and pistol, larger and smaller. I start them with ONE round loaded, so it doesn't matter how they react, there is no chance of a misdirected second round. Most women found they really liked the Beretta 92 clone for grip, ease of use, etc. Some were surprised to like a full sized semi-auto, and more surprised that they did not like the snappiness of the .380s. They thought the smaller gun would have less recoil, until they felt the difference. If you have a chance to go to a range that will allow this kind of experimenting (and you have access to ammo so you don't have to buy a box of everything at the range's prices) do it. Let her find out for herself what she likes. If it's a .22, fine. If it's a 9 or a .45, fine. It's what she's comfortable with, and the only way to find out is to experiment.

Good luck.
 
By the way, if you have access to a .327 magnum revolver, and .32 S&W long ammo or .32 H&R magnum ammo, try that. VERY soft shooting and enjoyable to learn on or practice with. And the .327 Federal magnum ammo for defense is very respectable.
 
There is one problem starting newbies with a .22 LR handgun,,,
This is something I've noticed in my adventures,,,
Of taking newbies to the range.

If you start them on .22 handguns,,,
They often don't want to transition to a centerfire.

Excellent point and observed by my Wife and I as well...with interested newbies in our group we try and start them with a .22 LR and immediately transition them to one of our Colt 1903's in .32 for the second gun. If still secure and "getting into it" we let 'em shoot the Glock 42 in .380 which is soft but definitely *not* a toy or "low powered beginner gun". It's a Glock...everybody knows what that's about. In the first hour of live fire they usually go from a "beginner" .22 to shooting a Glock 42.

We now try and transition them quickly from a .22 to a soft shooting and simple .380. We are having much better luck as we did have a couple get stuck on .22's for not wanting to deal with the recoil and added muzzle blast and noise.

VooDoo
 
1st Caliber 1st Time Shooter ?

Why, .22, of course, preferably a revolver.

Might I suggest, a Heritage Rough Rider or (if you can afford it) Ruger Single Six or Bearcat. Both are single action.

If you'd prefer a double action (also has single action), try an inexpensive H&R or High Standard Sentinel (or Double Nine). None of the H&R's or High Standard's are currently in production, but can be had at relatively reasonable prices.

Then you can graduate to the autoloaders, such as Ruger, Browning, or others with a good reputation.

Have fun, now.:)
 
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I started my kids with .22s--single action revolver first, then a semiauto. Transitioned to centerfires shooting light .38 specials in a 4-inch GP100. Then on to a 9mm semiauto. By the time we were done, they understood the difference between a variety of firearms and had experience with a variety of different power cartridges.
 
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