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i need some help on this i cant get my cpl (only 18) and i cant carry a switchblade knife (get in more trouble carrying one then if i carry a gun, lost with that but ok:banghead:)
but i need some means of protecting my self. my girlfriend got into a car accident and i thought the other driver may have attacked us and i found myself with no means of protection.and my girlfriend shares a car so i cant keep a gun in it.

i know this may not be the right place for this but i didnt know where to put this thread sorry

this is the new self defense law and thats all i know

People now will be allowed to use deadly force, with no duty to retreat, if they reasonably think they face imminent death, great bodily harm or sexual assault. They can use deadly force on their property or anywhere they have a legal right to be.
 
Auto knives are delicate and break much more readily than a regular folding locking knife. They'd be among my last choices for self defense.

If you're serious about self defense, why only consider one very specific type of knife? If it must be a bladed weapon Get yourself an Emerson folding knife with the Wave feature, it opens faster than any auto.

Open your mind to other possibilities; In highschool I had a six D-cell maglite in my car, not really a weapon, but it did wonders in the hands of local police on the hood rats in Pontiac Michigan. They had a not so high-road name for it that I wont repeat.

If you're looking for a spray of some kind, there's always pepper spray which is temporary and may be ineffective. But nothing gets results and says "I hate you" like a face full of oven cleaner, bug spray, or aerosol automotive leather cleaner -- none of which are weapons, and what car doesn't have some cleaning supplies in the glove box?

If you just want to pulverize someone, a claw hammer would work in a pinch. Plenty of folks keep a tool box in their car. Heck, get creative with some sports equipment, an old golf club gives you great range over a knife, a "mob size" baseball bat works too, but be sure to keep a glove and some worn out cleats with it to maintain the "sporting" look. But go for wood, not metal, that metallic "ping!" noise is just so unfulfilling.

Think outside the box, there's more to self defense than a handgun and a switchblade.

-T
 
ummm i have a good mag lite from boy scouts and i got a buddy i can get a old slugger thanks never thought about oven cleaner
 
Note that oven cleaner is some potent stuff and will probably cause permanent injury, I'd use it as a last resort. No matter though, it will give you time to run and escape a mugging or physical attack. If you had to use it after an auto accident things would get squirrelly when the flashing blue lights show up. A fair number of the cops I met in michigan were barely one step above the criminals they chased. You'd probably be better off with something like an old slugger or maglite which would act as a visible deterrent

-T
 
Michigan law basically says that you can’t carry a dangerous weapon. Period. Tell a police officer that your carrying a knife for self-defense, and the situation could get sticky. Knives are just like many other tools in that they can be used as weapons in a pinch. Do not limit yourself to just one tool.

Self Defense Plan:


1. Aviod Conflict:

This is very important. If you don’t engage, you have less chance of getting hurt. When engaged, end it as quickly as possible as the longer it goes, the more at risk you are. Leave your Ego at home.

2. Situational Awarness:

Helps facilitate #1. Be aware of your surroundings when out for those evening walks. Be observant when you are in public. Start reading the Strategies and Tactics section. Think about your vulnerabilities (and how you can reduce them) when you are out and about.

3. Have a plan:

Know what you will do, and how you will react if/when something happens. This also goes back to situational awareness. Deciding how you will deal with a force on force situation during the conflict puts you at a disadvantage. Some people call this “War Gaming”. You’ll find that the solution is often related to #1.

Start thinking about things that you currently carry, and things you could start carrying, that could aid you in escape (even with a gun, you want as little conflict as possible. The longer it lasts, the more danger you are in). This leads to the next list.

Be prepared to use all tools at your disposal. Owning a fishing pole won’t help you catch fish if you don’t know what to do with it. Even if you don’t train in some discipline, you can still train. Open and close your knife while watching TV will train the muscle memory.

Tools:

Brain
OC/Pepper Spray
Flashlight
Knife (or two)
Blunt Trauma Tools

These are items you should carry every day (especially the brain:D). People will eventually come along and say to start training in some form of SD, and they are right. Unfortunately, many people don’t/won’t follow that advice. I’m not saying it’s right, just saying how it is. Just because you don’t train to be a cage fighter doesn’t mean you can’t take other measures however, it does decrease your chances.



Brain:

See “Self Defense Plan”.

OC/Pepper Spray:
It’s such a crime that much of society frowns upon the idea of “Self-Defense”. Any limits on tools of SD are repugnant, and just plain immoral. Criminals ignore such limits, and they only endanger the victims, giving the criminals who ignore them a better chance. Sickening.

Michigan has a limit on the potency of the type of spray you can use. I guess it’s better than nothing. I’m told that you can get better stuff in other states, but I wouldn’t know about such things.

Flashlight:

You don’t have to spend a lot of money, but you can. The Surefire 6P LED is going to cost a substantional amount of money. It is worth it but, you must decide if you can afford it. There are inexpensive lights out there (I currently carry a Rayovac 3-watt Sportsman Extreme 2xAA) that are plenty bright, and will work. Is the Surefire a better light? Absolument. Do you need the Surefire over one of the cheaper (yes they are cheaper) lights? Only you can decide. I have a couple Surefire’s, and I prefer my ROV for EDC. Another inexpensive light you might consider is the ROV Sportsman Extreme 4-watt 3xC cell light that you can buy at Meijers for $25 (The 2xAA 3-watt can be had for the same price at WalMart). While the 3xC cell light isn’t EDC size, it is a good light for walking around the neighborhood at night, or when you know you will need a light. You want a minimum of 60 lumens. The 2xAA has about 56-60 lumens (there is what appears to be a better version available on line), and the 3xC cell puts out about twice that much. At any rate, get over to candlepowerforums.com and do some research. They are a very helpful bunch, and will be able to help you with some options that may suit you in a flashlight.

Blunt Trauma Tools:
There are lost of stuff you can use. There are items that are built to specifically address force on force (Comtec Stinger comes to mind), and there are also every day items. You could use car keys (although I’d rather have something better) like the long ones Ford uses. There are also things like the Parker ballpoint, Stainless Steel Jotter that can be used in a pinch. Your flashlight can also be a devastating weapon if needed. There is even a thread in the Non-Firearms Forum section of THR. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=307522
More research.

A Good Folding Knife:
Check local laws as some areas (especially around Detroit) have severe restrictions on pocket knives.

Anything Emerson with the wave is going to be good. Spyderco Waved Endura/Delica (many believe the Wave on the Spyderco’s works better than the Wave on the Emersons) is a more economical choice without sacrificing quality, or dependability. There are lots of good quality knives out there that will work, but don’t skimp. You’re betting your life on this tool. How much is your life worth? That doesn’t mean you have to spend hundreds of dollars. Benchmade and Spyderco have good, lower priced lines, and CRKT often has discontinued models that can be found on ebay for cheap. Stay away from lines like Smith & Wesson, or Colt. While many people like these knives, you can do better for the money with Spyderco’s byrd line, and Benchmade’s Red line. Go to bladeforums.com, and knifeforums.com. Tell them what your requirements are for a knife, what the local laws are, and ask for advice. Enthusiasts are usually helpful. There are also many people on these forums that are practitioners of SD both with and without the blade who can provide you with insight. I strongly recommend you do this before buying a knife. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to ask about a specific knife before buying it. Otherwise you might waste your money on something that won’t be sufficient.

Find a knife which suites you best, and be prepared with a backup. If you can’t afford two of the same, then get some other knife as a second. You want it to be as sharp as possible, and carrying around a knife that isn’t razor sharp will decrease your odds when your life depends on it.

No offense intended but it sounds like you haven’t considered carrying a good quality before now. That means that you probably haven’t become accustomed to using that knife (drawing it from your pocket, opening it and then transferring to the proper grip, as well as actually cutting things with it). You need to make such things second nature because in a SD situation, you won’t have time to think about them, and the fine motor skills will fail you. Using the knife every day (from opening boxes, to opening envelopes) will train your muscle memory, as well as make the knife become the “tool” that you carry for utilitarian purposes. Besides, once you start carrying a knife, you will probably find yourself using it more often.

This leads to reasons why I recommend a backup. Using a knife every day will make it dull. Having a backup will allow you to start the day with a sharp knife (remember: razor sharp) if you don’t have time to sharpen the knife every day. Maintaining the edge is important, as it’s easier to take a slightly dull knife and make it sharp, then it is to take a duller knife and sharpen it. Read this thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=8341
Joe Talmadge is widely recognized in the industry as a knife sharpening guru. Another reason to have a backup is that you’ll eventually find yourself knifeless. A PO could confiscate it, you could loose it, or leave it at the GF’s. It happens, and you don’t want to be caught without it. You’ll eventually find yourself checking to make sure it’s on you, and if you leave home without it you’ll feel like you didn’t dress completely for the day. Bottom-line is that it doesn’t hurt to have a second one at home in case the first one ends up gone.



I put these things in what I consider order of importance. While the knife is last, that doesn’t mean that you resort to it last. If your life is threatened, and you’ve no avenue of escape, it doesn’t make sense to leave your best means of extricating yourself from that situation in your pocket. Furthermore, waiting until your life is in eminent danger will probably mean you may well not be able to utilize it. Again, this gets back to situational awareness.

This is just my viewpoint. Take it for what it’s worth as free advice on the internet. I’m sure there will be some who will add, agree, or disagree with some of what I’ve said. Ultimately, it is your life, and the life of your loved one/s, and you must decide what’s best.
 
Keep an aluminum bat in your car.

Legal in all 50 states

They make a cool sound when pressed against the human head vigoroiusly
 
Senior Member Has very good advice

Develope the Mr. Miagi approach to violence. Best way no get hurt no get hit.

That advice aside if its unavoidable. The 3-D cell Maglight with an old bicycle innertube cut and slid over the pipe works wonders. Your hands will probably be or will be getting sweaty and the tube keeps a good grip. Its legal everywhere. If you have to hit, no head shots no spine shots no groin shots unless you are going down. The collarbone hurts like he// as does a good pool cue jab to the gut, back of the knuckles works too. Sometimes just puling it out and put it under your armpit like the cops do indicates your ready to use it and may have before. Pulling it out of your glovebox and dropping it on the ground and having it roll under the car....welll you get the idea. Predators select their targets just like an animal does, the weak, insecure and flustered get eaten.

Skip the baseball bat idea, (or any other large impact weapon) cops will book you for bully club, because the bat is aggresive and at a accident scene has only one purpose, as an offensive weapon, no baseball game was being played. And in the eyes of the cops/DA/jury you took out a weapon and changed a simple traffic accident into an armed confrontation. The 911 call played in court when the guy who was threatening you has his girlfriend call will scream "help, he's crazy and he has a bat!". Compare that to, "help he just took out his flashlight!".

A zapper with a real loud snapping arc of electricity usually gets attention, but here again has only one function. The flashlight (at least at night) is a dual purpose tool. Its why the cops carry and use them, impact weapon and light in one. Their baton inflames people too much unless its a bar fight. Forget the knives, knife fighting takes some serious training and constant practice and here again, whats the purpose of the knife? Also just in case your opponent is packing, you just brought a knife to a gunfight
 
Tyris-That metallic ping is always good for a laugh though.

Can we make an effort to ensure this thread stays high-road? I'm not trying to bust balls, but I found that comment a bit on the "unnecessary" side. Self defense is one thing, laughing at the sound a baseball bat makes when it contacts a human skull..is another.

Just my .02.
 
Forget the knife idea. It sounds good, but you need skill to use it, and you have to be fairly close.

Something with more reach like a big aluminum flashlight or a walking stick comes to mind.

Your best defense is to avoid problems if you can. Running away is always a good option, if it is available to you.
 
shovel

Consider the Cold Steel shovel. It's legal, it's dual purpose and it can be effective. I think Glock makes a fancier folding shovel for you Glock fans. I googled it and added a link.

I have the cold steel shovel. I sometimes bring it when guns are not allowed. It's a nice tool.
 
Note that oven cleaner is some potent stuff and will probably cause permanent injury..

oven cleaner might be questioned... use carburetor cleaner... its supposed to be in a car and the stuff is downright painful in the eyes (i know from experience) and the stuff will usually shoot about 4 feet
 
I'm going to take a slightly different track here. In an accident if the other driver seems agressive or dangerous stay in the car with the windows up and doors locked (if the driver doesn't have a gun) and call 911 from a cell phone if you have one. Wait for the police to arrive then exit the vehicle when the scene is safe. If the driver breaks the glass to get at you then use whatever is at hand. I would recommend a good 5 or 10% pepper spray, get what the police use from a police supply shop. The stuff that is sold in gunshops, gas stations, and other places are usually watered down. If you put a barrier between you and the agressor and the agressor gets past the barrier than you are in a much better legal situation. You tried to avoid a confrontation and the agressor would not allow that and made an effort to come after you. Being as young as you are taking this track may keep both of you safe from the stereotype that young people are quick to act and hot headed. This is the stereotype that some have until they get to know you. If you take a step that shows you acted to avoid a confrontation then they will look at you in a better light. Good luck.
 
poor richard
Avoid conflict..............Leave your ego at home.

And stay at home with it!
You haven't said exactly what the threat is, only that you want a weapon.
I am not saying this to belittle you, but the fact is you are only 18 years old. I know, I know. Please avoid any conflict that will result in an attempt to hurt anyone. If you are in an altercation in which you are charged, you may be charged as an adult. Any conviction could result in you not being able to possess a firearm. Please consider talking to an adult about your problem. (Father, Uncle, school counseler, Minister, Scout leader etc.) Believe it or not, they probably have been in a very similar situtation in their lifetime.
Avoiding violence is the essence of the High Road.
 
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