What Companies Sell Peacemaker Clones or Cowboy Guns?

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Hey,

I have been looking at a few Cowboy guns (handguns) and doing some research. I'd like to make sure I am not leaving out any companies so if you don't mind can you list the companies you know of that sell Single actions and other Cowboy guns?

Thanks for the help.

BD
 
A list?
Shirley you jest!

O.K. you are serious as a heart attack!

Colt (the only original)
Uberti.
Pietta.
Cimarron.
Tayler.
USFA (Possibly the best)
Ruger (But they are not true SAA's in the Colt pattern)

And more I can't think of right now.

However, if its not a Colt, USFA, or Ruger?
Uberti or Pietta probably made it for somebody else like Cimarron or Tayler anyway.
 
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Ruger

USFA

Colt ( The original )

Beretta ( They own Uberti )

Taurus ( don't know about quality )

That's all I can think of right now.

For authenticity and top quality try either Colt or USFA. For value for the dollar and durability you can't beat Ruger. I don't know about the others.
 
Unless you're up to your keester in disposable income then Colt and US Firearms are out of the question money wise.

Of the rest Ruger makes a very nice gun in the New Vaquero. But they are only faithful to the original 1873 on the outside. Inside the action is all new and lawyer'fied.

If you want the original 4 click Colt action then you need to buy from Italy in the form of Uberti or Pietta. I'm not sure who makes the others but for the most part the fit and finish suffers as the price point falls.

It used to be that Uberti made a far nicer gun than Pietta. But in recent years the difference has slimmed down to where it's even money for either. Pietta really pulled up their game the last few years. It's down to finding a finish appearance that you like and buy it regardless of which of the two brands. But all else being equal Uberti still has the upper hand if by a slight bit. So if you find a model in their lineup you like the looks of then I'd go that way.
 
Following up, Cimarron and at least Taylor are simply importers for Uberti and Pietta. Dixie Gun Works could be another outlet. I don't even think that the Beretta Stampede is available any longer. I know the Taurus Gaucho has gone the way of the dodo. I could be wrong about the Stampede. As far as my experience goes, I have a Uberti single action in .357. It was made in 1970, imported by a company I can't even remember. Garcia Arms, maybe? I know the screws what hold the grip frame to the upper frame come loose after 'bout a hundred rounds or so. Have a Cimarron Model P in .45 Colt with the 5 1/2 inch barrel. Been Golden. Bought a reloading press to learn about that round, and the .38's and .357's that I own. You will hear "stick to the cowboy loads for these, they have soft steel." I am still looking for the .357 cowboy loads for the first that I owned. Handguns have been made in Italy for going on about 500 years now, and they keep on going. I have had no qualms whatsoever about carrying either of these guns in the woods to back up a .30-30 for hogs, or primary for defense agin' medium to small predators, be they four legged or two. Take from this what you will. I spend 99% of my time in the city, and normally have a G19 on my person, if anything at all.
 
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Colt

Fairly faithful Colt copies
USFA
Uberti
Pietta
Taylor & Cimarron (made by Uberti or Pietta)

Modern single actions with transfer bar safeties
Ruger
EAA Bounty Hunter
Heritage Arms Big Bore (parts made by Pietta, fitted and finished in the USA)
 
Just buy two of each!

It is hard to beat a Ruger New Vaquero for durability and value. On the other hand the Colt or "clones" have a certain panache.

Attend a SASS cowboy match near you. You can get tons of first hand reports on the different guns and may find some good used ones for sale. At a recent match some shooters put their "for sale" items on display; there were seven guns on the table, all at better prices than you'd find at a gun show or local gun shop.
 
I have 3 of them all in 45 Colt. The oldest is an 4.75" Armi San Marco of Italy which sold out to a small outfit at that time. I think this was some time in the 1980's. Uberti (now owned by Beretta) has been around for as long as ASM and is the base gun for Cimarron and other sellers. I have a Uberti Cattleman in 5.5" barrel and a Cimarron in 7.5" barrel. All are excellent guns and built to the specs of the original 1873 Single Action Army colts with the exception of using more modern metals and finishes. As for Pietta they also build some guns for Cimarron as well so you don't know which you are getting until you open the box as the manual is from the original maker. Taylor I know little about due to its over the top price even rivaling the original Colts. The Uberti's tend to run between $300 to $450 on average.
 
Would Freedom Arms, NAA and the BFR revolvers not fit into the modern (not colt clone) SA category? unless I missed it I did not see them listed
 
I'm mighty happy with the used Uberti Cattleman that I have. Pretty faithful clone of the original as far as I can tell. Sorry, crappy photos are from the seller.

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Hey all,

Thanks for all the info and recommendations.

9mmfan, that's what I am wanting to do with whatever clone I get. I like to bowhunt hogs here in Texas. When I lived in Florida last year and went hog hunting I carried my S&W Model 65 3-inch with a speed loader with stuff that would do the job on a hog and left it loaded with 3 rounds of snake shot and the other 3 the same as in my loader. Never had to shoot it, thankfully.

Now that I am in Texas and hunt with TRAD gear (recurves and longbows) I thought it would be kinda neat to carry a REAL sixgun instead of my 65. Even though I dearly LOVE my 65, I would really like to have a Peacemaker clone to carry in a crossdraw holster.

I know about the Colt's and USFA's and like BCRider said, I am NOT up to my KEESTER in cash so I have to look elsewhere. I knew that almost all the SAA's were made by Pietta and Uberti. I also really like the Ruger Vaquero and Blackhawks, but for this I want a Peacemaker clone. Just something about those 4 clicks that gets me. A Vaquero and BH will certainly come later.
When I go looking at all these sellers like Cimarron, EAA, Taylors and such, I just don't have a clue at which company is better and what model is the best to get. There are so many to pick from that it gets dizzying at times. Like Uberti has the El Patron and Taylors has the Smoke Wagon. Both Uberti, but which is better? I also haven't found a shop around me (Houston area) that has a lot of Cowboy guns that I can handle and try. I went into the BIG one in my town and they had a couple authentic COLT Nickel plated 45C in the case. I asked to see one, he got it out and I asked him if he watched about turning the cylinder and he said "NAH." I asked if he minded if I cocked it a couple times and he said "go ahead, be my guest." So I did and boy did it feel wonderful. I wanted it so darn bad I couldn't hardly stand it. I've never owned a Cowboy gun and have wanted one for a long time now. I would've got it but it was priced at a bit over $1,400.

Anyway, I am NOT going to be shooting those rounds that recoil like a pellet gun and produce a GIANT CLOUD every time you set a round off. I would reload my own eventually and practice with low powered ammo most of the time, but when I put it in my holster to go pig hunting I would want to load it with ammo that would kill a pig if I had to. Not saying I want to put BUFFALO BORE stuff through it, I wouldn't. I know those guns aren't made for that level of power. But I would shoot a few factory rounds through it that had some power to it. I trust a few rounds like that wouldn't do any damage to whichever SAA Clone I pick. Would it? I see all these guys shooting that really low powered stuff and it gives the impression that these guns can't handle ammo any stronger than that stuff. That's why I am asking these questions, to make sure what I am thinking would be OK to do and safe for me and the pistol.

So that's my story about why I am asking these questions. Hope I didn't write too much. Just wanting something cool on my hip when I go hog hunting and right now that translates to me as a PEACEMAKER CLONE. What do you all think? You think carrying one down here in Texas while pig hunting would be about as good as it gets?

Any other info or advice would be appreciated. Thank you all so far for your time and advice.

Nalajr
 
Well Nalajr, keep in mind the clones like the original 1873 colt can handle standard SAAMI ammo but not the higher powered stuff out there such as +P or +P+ what ever that is supposed to be. How ever the 45 Colt is a heck of a round in and of itself. If you want to shoot heavier ammo then thing Ruger.

Uberti (Beretta) Cattleman 1873 is probably the best bet. They supply a lot of others with their guns such as Cimarron, Navy Arms etc. Check them out here http://www.uberti.com/firearms/single-action-cattleman.php and keep in mind that others like Cimarron tune the guns with springs and smoothing out actions and such. The Cimarron I bought was about $50 more than the standard Cattleman is started as. It is smoother but it could of also been done by most people with a spring kit and some attention to detail. I posted picture of my Cimarron Mod P (called Cattleman by Uberti) with a faux stag horn grip I installed at http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=662212 post #7.
 
A list?
Shirley you jest!

O.K. you are serious as a heart attack!

Colt (the only original)
Uberti.
Pietta.
Cimarron.
Tayler.
USFA (Possibly the best)
Ruger (But they are not true SAA's in the Colt pattern)

And more I can't think of right now.

However, if its not a Colt, USFA, or Ruger?
Uberti or Pietta probably made it for somebody else like Cimarron or Tayler anyway.

Howdy

Cimarron and Taylor's do not make guns. They are importers. They sell products made by Uberti and Pietta.

Basically, the Ubertis sold by Cimarron and other importers are all the same. For a long time Cimmaron had everybody believing that their guns went through some extra quality steps, but the bottom line is when you take them apart they are all the same inside. They all come off the same assembly line, they may just have different markings stamped on the outside. This is true with Uberti rifles too, inside they are all the same, no matter who imported them.

Usta be that Pietta was #2 in quality to Uberti. These days Pietta has been getting a lot of positive press in the Cowboy world with their Smoke Wagons that are sold exclusively by Taylors. I have not shot one myself, but that is the scuttlebutt in Cowboy circles.

As stated, none of the clones are rated above SAAMI standard loads, so bear that in mind when you go hog hunting.

On the other hand, a 45 Colt with a 250 grain bullet loaded to SAAMI spec will put down a horse if you place the shot right.
 
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Hey,

I have been looking at a few Cowboy guns (handguns) and doing some research. I'd like to make sure I am not leaving out any companies so if you don't mind can you list the companies you know of that sell Single actions and other Cowboy guns?

Thanks for the help.

BD

I see you answered my question in your later post, that this gun would be on your hip for hunting. In my opinion, the Colt clones are not the best option since they will not handle the hotter loads and can't carry that 6th round safely like the Rugers. The adjustable sights of the Blackhawk are a nice feature for a hunting handgun, and with it's optional cylinders you can use 38/357/9mm or 45LC/45acp depending on the model.

LD
 
Just for you clarification my Cimarron also has a 45 ACP cylinder also however you are correct about the 6 round might be a safety hazard when carried.
 
I have a Uberti 1873 Cattleman New Model Brass.
And I LOVE it.
It's more accurate than me & didn't cost an arm & a leg.
(and that flyer on the target was my fault. I even said a naughty word as soon as the gun went boom.)

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Nala...

I bought one of these a few months back
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=289245083

$250 plus FFL.

These are not as rugged as some SAAs and they're sure not USFA or Colt beautiful. But, if you are in a budget situation, it will do well enough and let you taste single action shooting. They shoot very well and are good "starter" guns. Learn to reload and you can shoot .45 Colt for a rather reasonable cost.

Local Academy stores had these same guns, same price, but in .38/.357, letting you do a lot more shooting for less money. Don't know if they still have them or not - stop by or call a couple and see.

Q
 
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OK, let's shelve the Rugers since you want a traditional single action. Mechanically the different Ubertis and Piettas are all pretty much the same except for the different levels of finish. If you want a gun to carry hunting rather than one to show off, I'd recommend the Uberti Hombre; it's less than half the price of one of the prettier guns.

With the Hombre there is no choice of barrel length; they only come in 4.75" but that the best one anyway. You are also limited to .357 or .45 Colt but since your other hog pistol was a Model 65 3", either is a step up!

The Colt clones will handle any standard factory load. No issues there.
 
im hunting for a pair now to get into cowboy action shooting. i like the rugers, but im after something blued with case hardening.

Its tricky in Aust getting options on guns without waiting months or even years for it to get into your hands. i love the look of the blued pietta with case hardened frame and steel backstrap and trigger guard, but ll need to start ringing round the importers and gunshops.
 
The EAA Bounty Hunter is not a Colt clone, quite different inside.
Denis
 
Give what you said up in Post #14 about how you want to use the gun here's a few things to consider.

Any fixed sight gun is only going to shoot to POA with a select set of bullet to powder recipes. Basically each bullet weight will shoot accurately to POA with a given muzzle velocity. So your ammo options will tend to be limited. If you reload your own that's not a bad thing since you can tailor your loads to suit your needs.

A near full power heavy hitter at a given velocity can be your woods/hunting carry. A lighter bullet with appropriate muzzle velocity can be your plinker since that bullet will need a lot less powder to hit the correct speed to hit at the POA.

For example looking at my Lyman reloading book it seems like a 250gn hardcast with a nice wide meplate nose running at around 830 to 850fps will be around the maximum you want to push through a clone. A steady and frequent diet of such loads would likely see the gun tend to run into mechanical troubles fairly soon in it's life. But as a woods load and for occasional practice these would be just fine.

A more gun friendly "plinking" and everyday sort of load would then be a 230 gn hardcast pushed to some lower velocity that results in the bullet exiting at the same point in the recoil rise so that it hits at the same POA as the 250.

Going down to a 200 and the resulting powder to achieve the same POA would result in a truly poofter load that would be suitable for even the most squemishly recoil sensitive folks you can find.

The sights on the gun may or may not happen to regulate nicely to the 250 gn bullet shot at around 830 fps. Hopefully they hit a touch low so you can file off the top of the front a hair to raise it up to where it just matches the POA and POI.

Of course ALL of this can be avoided if you were to select a Ruger Blackhawk or Super Blackhawk. The adjustable sights remove all this nonsense. But then the adjustable sights guns don't have the smooth look of the old classic Peacemaker either. And that is certainly something to consider.

AND YET ANOTHER OPTION! ...... At the last moment I looked at the Uberti offerings. I see that they sell a Cattleman that is chambered for .44Mag. Now without getting into all the old .45Colt vs .44Mag things again it's worth noting that the extra metal in the walls of the cylinder found on the .44Mag allows for considerably more chamber pressure. It opens up the option of pushing a relatively heavy 250 to 255gn flat nose bullet at up closer to 1000fps without unduly punishing the gun. This would certainly provide more penetrating power. From there the same issues of POI vs POA for lighter bullets to create reduced plinking loads returns. I'd guess that a nice plinking/target shooting load would be something more like a 240 gn bullet with the powder reduced to achieve the same POI from the sights.

Now at around 1000fps you're still only part way up the range of what a .44Mag can achieve and still be within SAMMI specs. But out of deference to the action of the gun and to try to encourage a longer life from it before it shoots itself loose I suggest that this mid range power level would be more sensible than shooting full house loads.

The .44Mag isn't period correct of course. But there IS some precident in the simple fact that there was a .44 size round back in the day in the form of the .44-40. So if you selected a .44Mag version it would not be a case of total blasphemy... :D.

Then, of course, there's always the option of .357Mag. But I gather you're more interested in something that is more correct for the period. Or if you're not too worried then shooting full house .357's with 158gn bullets would be an option to consider. Or perhaps even jump up to the 180gn options. Then the 158gn bullets shot at around .38Spl +P velocities would be your regular plinking/target load.
 
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