What do you look for in a Rifle?

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I've been into shooting and collecting for a year or two, and in this time I've learned that the reasons people buy rifles, or guns as a whole, are rarely practical or utilitarian.

And Thankfully, there is absoltely nothing wrong with that. I have a decent collection of rifles, and one pistol, and I guess I've had two mindsets while buying them: rifles I like to collect, and rifles I like to shoot. The truth for the whole seems to lie somewhere in the middle considering the rifles I buy to collect I enjoy shooting, and the rifles I buy to shoot I enjoy collecting.

I've noticed in people that are seriously into buying firearms (when I say serious I mean the difference between those who buy an SKS or Mosin Nagant because it is *cheap* or those who buy them because they are interested in owning and firing them) there is a prohibition on getting things simply because they like them or because they look neat. Let's be honest here - every rifle I own I shoot, but one of the things that goes into my interest in a firearm is whether or not I like the look of the gun in question.

But beyond all that, what are the factors that go into your choice of what firearm to pick up and then buy?

For me, I always look for unique rifles to jump on. I tend to go for battle rifles as a whole, and I really love battle rifles from the second World War, and I also am moving toward getting more modern battle rifles including some bullpups, like the Norinco 86S and hopefully in the future a Steyr AUG. Also, I tend to be somewhat loyal to Russian and Soviet arms when I can get them, and I also enjoy getting as many of the Kalashnikov variants I can get.

How about everyone else?
 
Everything I have is for shootin'. I'm not much on nostalgic collection. However, it is a pleasure to own a Garand, a P-17 Enfield, a Springfield 1903 (two groove Smith Corona) and a Winchester 94 made in 1906. :)
 
I bought a M-1 Garand from the CMP to compliment my Mauser and my Mosin Nagant, but it ended up being my favorite C&R style rifle by a long shot. I'd don't have a C&R FFL but I search them out and I could not have imagined how great of a rifle the Garand is.

I think too many Americans take the Garand and its design for granted, but if you look at the Garand I think it is possible to make an arguement that the M1 is one of the finest and most unique firearms in the history of mass production battle rifles.

John Garand was brilliant and an engineering wizard.
 
I agree about the Garand. Otherwise, I look for a rifle with a stock that fits me (the Garand does too BTW). And sights- I must be able to get the sights like I want.
 
Pure practicality and utilitarianism. BAR for fast followup shots in heavykicking calibers, and Savage bolt guns for accuracy and adaptability.
 
The only reason I haven't bought a K31 yet is because of the ammo. Availability of ammo is a big point to me. (Except for my SAR-1,) Does the gun fit? Can I afford it?

Sights aren't a big decider for me. I figure that if someone put them on there, then I can learn to use them. How well I use them is a different matter, tho :p

For me, reliability=fun. I take it that WhiteKnight loves AR-15s while I love AKs, which I guss shows through in our philosophies. :)
 
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The rifles I really like are steeped in history. They're machined by men; generally forged. They shoot fullbore calibers and have stocks that are inletted, not injection moulded. They have sights that are made for riflemen. The more interesting ones are hand fitted, polished and have a deeeeep blue finish.
 
I like bolt actions -- and a good span in caliber, from .22 LR to .35 Brown-Whelen (my heavy rifle.)

I like walnut and blued steel -- although I have two rifles with synthetic stocsk, one of them in stainless steel.

I like classics -- I have an M1, an M1905 Canadian Ross, a couple of '03A3s (one Remington, one Smith Corona)

I don't have any AR 15 clones, and don't think I personally need any.
 
I like historic guns too.
Really though, I like just about any gun.

But if you take me into a gunshop, I am probably going to cut a trail to the old military bolt actions.

The Finnish M-39 is the be-all/end-all rifle for me. I just love the feel, the balance, and the way it fits to my shoulder and lines up right where I am looking. It is so accurate that shooting it is almost cheating. I have one now and am looking to get another and some reloading components so that I can shoot them until I am not strong enough to hold them up.

The other Mosin Nagants are cool too and I don't discount them. I also like the SKS and AK. I love durability and reliability (the M-39 is well proven on that one too).

I also look for guns that are fun to shoot. Some guys look for pure hunting guns. That is fine, whatever floats your boat.
My guns see alot more use at the range than they do in the woods so being pleasant to shoot is very important to me.
Ammo being available is also a concern, but if I can get cases and dies I will make my own ammo. Not a huge deal there.

One thing that I have no use for is "pretty guns". My guns get used and a pretty gun won't stay pretty for very long. I do take care of them, but they aren't safe queens.
 
All of my guns are working guns. My Lee-Enfield I bought as a first rifle because of it's history, I like the way it works, but also because if all else fails, it's the fastest combat bolt action in the world, carries ten shots, and I know i can hit with it out to 950 yards (and I have) without using a scope.

My AK, when I had it, was my fun plinker, SHTF rifle, general purpose carbine, and I like the design.

I had a Marlin 60 and a Marlin 25N for plinking and target practice, and a Taurus 62 pump for cheap pump action shotgun practice in .22 (they work the same way).

All of my shotguns have been fighting guns, and all of my pistols have been carry pistols. I don't have any collector guns. Yet. :neener:
 
What do I look for in a rifle....
What, indeed...

Reliability, most of all. Unreliable guns send me straight to the classified ads, then to the wholesalers catalogs...

Durability, seperate and distinct from reliability. I like my rifles to last for many thousands of rounds, and to stand a bit of a kicking now and then.

Handling is in there. By "handling" I think that I really mean, "The magical combination of size, weight, and ergonomics that allows me to hit smaller targets faster."

Useable sights and/or optics.

Good triggers.

Caliber and ballistics suitable to the task at hand.

Simplicity of design and construction.

Accuracy.

That's about it.

- Chris
 
my 1/50th of $1...

The .30-30 Marlin for up to 150 Yard shots at Bambi.

US Rifle Cal .30 M1 "The Garand". Dad was WWII Army guy, made M1's when International Harvester had the contract in the '50's. So, guess the vintage of MY M1? ? ?

Mosin-Nagant M-44. Wanted a turn-bolt from the 'other guys'.

Yugo SKS. Cheap to buy and shoot Mil-Surp semi-auto. The AK series just doesn't spin my fan.

Marlin 99 in .22LR. Sheeesh, doesn't EVERONE have some sort of .22LR? ?

Mossberg ATR-100 .30-06. Wanted a bolt .30-06, and this one followed me home from Wally World one Saturday afternoon. No matter what I did, it just wouldn't go back in the Wally World rack. Like it was quicky-poxied to my hands :confused:
 
Historical relevence.

Or something for a specific hunting purpose.

Or because it's fun at the range.

Or because I like the way it looks.

Or because it looked lonely on the rack.

Or it seemed like a good idea at the time.

Or I just felt like it.

:D :D :D

Actually, to be truthful, the few rifles I own were purchased for a specific purpose (hunting, competition) or for nostalgia. Just don't ask me about shotguns. I don't ever want to try to justify those. :rolleyes:
 
History. It is my dream one day to own one of every WWII weapon issued. On a side note, it is also my dream one day to be insanely rich :D

Can you get a quality built rifle for under $100 anywhere but the C&R area? Didn't think so. At least, not in any quantity.

Also, its fun to wonder. Was my Mosin at Stalingrad? Was my M48 ever used in a war? If an American soldier picked up my British No 4 on the battlefield in France (which happened), what happened to the original owner? Did the guy who brought back my Arisaka kill the guy who originally owned it, or capture him? Some people say I'm crazy, but these guns just get me wondering about where they have been and what they have seen.

All that, and I look for cheap to shoot. Which is now why I'm looking for a 9mm to keep my .45 company.
 
First i look for a nice set of big round foregrips, and of course the buttstock has to be as smooth as a baby's . . . . . . . . . . . wate a minute I thought this was " What do you look for in a . . .. . . . OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO ok gotcha! :p


God being 23 does have its bad side. :neener:
 
Well, there are lots of features I look for in a rifle. I haven't found them all in one rifle yet, so the search continues.
Obviously since we are talking about rifles, accuracy is a real big factor. Rifle shooting is all about accuracy. In my opinion, anyone that doesn't place accuracy as the first thing they consider in a rifle is a rifle owner or rifle collector and not a rifle shooter. Accuracy is the do all and end all of rifles. Without accuracy, you have nothing but a big heavy club. Of course the degree of accuracy you require is a matter of personal needs. We all don't need benchrest accuracy, but it would always be a good thing if we could get it. In another thread I mentioned a standard of being able to shoot into a 20" circle at 500 yards to be a bare minimum standard. The reason we own, carry, and use rifles is twofold: power and long range accuracy. The power is a given, the variable is accuracy. All the power in the world is no good if you can't hit anything. If you can't hit the target at 400 yards, you should have just carried a handgun: it is lighter and easier to carry and you won't hit it anyway. Accuracy is everything in a rifle.
I also enjoy self loading rifles. Probably the second thing I consider in a rifle is where the controls are located. I want to be able to obtain a firing grip with my right hand and be able to access all the controls normally accessed with my right hand from that firing grip. The best example of this is on the AR15/M16 family of rifles. I can take a good firing grip on the rifle and operate the selector switch with my right thumb. I can eject a spent magazine with my index finger and of course I can press the trigger all without losing my firing grip on the pistol grip. By the same token I want to be able to run the bolt from the left side of the gun while continuing to maintain my right handed firing grip. Again, the AR15 is a perfect example. If, for example, I were to experience a Type 1 malfunction, I simply reach up with my left hand and run the bolt. The rifle is still pointed at the target and my right hand is ready to fire. If I do a magazine change, I slap the bot release located on the left side of the gun and I am back in business: all the while the right hand never moves and the rifle is pointed at the target. Another rifle that comes close to this ideal is the M14/M1A rifle. All the same applies with one exception: the bolt handle is on the wrong side. An example of a rifle I am currently playing with that shows poor ergonomics is the HK G3/91. I can't manipulate the selector without shifting my grip of my firing hand. The magazine release is way out of reach of my index finger.
Next would be sights. Obviously the sights are a big factor in actually hitting something and IMO, American military rifles have sights that are far superior to any other iron sights (other than high dollar competitive match sights) that I have used. The best are the rear sights on the M1 rifle, the M14 rifle, and the M16A2 rifle. They are a peep sight that has a maximum sight radius and are adjustable for both elevation and windage in 1 MOA incriments.
Then we get into the rifles ability to accept accessories: primarily optics. Optical sights make a huge difference in rapidly aquiring a target, long range marksmanship, and shooting in low light. I own a lot of rifles just for fun, but if it is what I call, a "serious rifle" then it must be able to accept optics easily. The current state of the art in this department is the picatiny rail. Having one is a big plus. Again, the AR15/M16 has one = good. Note that I am not talking about some half baked chinese scope mount. I am talking about a rock solid, practical scope mount that will allow you to explore the limits of the rifles accuracy and one that does not interfere in any way with the operation of the rifle. The ability to remove or install a variety of optics at will is a definite plus: this requires a rail.
In a self loading rifle, magazine capacity is an issue, but this was figured out correctly long ago. The .30 rifles are most practical with a 20 round magazine and the 5.56 class of cartridges can accept a 30 round magazine. This provides the best overall performance without the magazine being too long or too heavy. More is good, only up to a point. I want the rifle to accept a magazine that holds the practical limit: no more and no less. I also should mention that a on a semi-auto rifle a detachable magazine is better. I own three M1 rifles and really enjoy shooting them. However, I am not about to tell you that the 8 round en-bloc clip isn't a serious draw back. It is immediately obvious.
One of the last considerations for me is the cartridge the rifle is chambered for. For hunting a .308 or .30-06 will handle any hunting I am ever going to do. I am not into the latest and greatest. For SHTF, personal defense, plinking, formal target shooting etc. the American riflles whether they be .308, .30-06, or 5.56 all work great. The above factors are more important to me than the cartridge. The cost of ammunition doesn't enter into my thoughts at all. You might have gotten the impression that I like accuracy. When I am shooting rifles I am seriously trying to hit something. Spray and pray don't enter into my shooting very often. As a result, I don't go through a huge amont of ammo in a shooting session. Basically, for any rifle I am interested in owning: I can afford all the ammo I am going to want to shoot out of it. My eyes and my concentration won't hold out long enough for me to go through a whole lot of ammo while still seriously concentrating on marksmanship.
Reliability: obvious the rifle needs to be reliable. However, I think the internet commandos get carried away with this subject. My rifles don't have to withstand a 500,000 round torture test for me to consider them reliable. I am far more interested in realistic reliablity. Can the rifle fire 500 rounds in a day's shooting and not malfunction ? That is good enough for me. I also realize that with enough dirt, with a total lack of maintainence, with improper lubrication etc, any rifle will fail to function: so again, I don't look for the worst possible case senario and base my decisions on that. I am more interested in being practical: if I provide reasonable care to my rifle, will it function reliably ? I have never owned a rifle that wouldn't, so again, the points above are more important to me than whether or not the rifle can fall into a vat of glue and fire the next day: especially if it means that I have to sacrifice accuracy, or ergonomics to get it.

Bolt actions rifles follow the same pattern: accuracy first and foremost. If the rifle isn't accurate, then all the other neat features or history in the world don't interest me. Then ease of operation (ergonomics) but here I seriously consider how the rifle is loaded. With C&R rifles, this usually means how well do stripper clips work in the rifle. Not surprising is the fact that the best made C&R rifles work the best: the Sweedes, the Americans and the K31s load like a dream from strippers. On the other hand the Russian stuff is hard to find good stripper clips tha work smoothly and quickly. With a hunting bolt gun, all the ones I own load the same way: one cartridge at a time, through the top. Which I don't consider to be good, but there arn't a whole lot of choices out there. I do own two .223 bolt action rifles that have a detachable magazine: a Tikka and a Reminton 788: this is good IMO.

Oh, and last but not least: my rifles much be able to accept and use a shooting sling. Not a carry strap or an old belt, but a shooting sling like a US 1917 sling.

Looks mean very little to me: if the rifle performs, it looks good in my eyes. If the most beautiful rifle in the world dosn't perfrom, you can have it.
 
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Well something like all the above.....

I find my tastes changed over the years, and a wide variety of rifles were very satisfying to me, though some no longer would make my top five list. They were good to have at the time. And 5 years from now I may have other interests again.

At one time liked banging away with semi-auto's. Mini14 was a fun little gun, but unreliable with aftermarket mags. Then an AK was really great. And so reliable and handy. Then Garands caught my eye. Also reliable, a bit more accurate. A nice blend of quality and ruggedness. I agree that Mr. John Garand was a genius, and in some ways don't think any battle rifle can match all the attributes of the Garand.

Had a 45/70 for awhile, and for some reason it was so nice to shoot. Somehow it was nice because of the big shove it gave you. Rather than kick being bothersome it was what made that interesting. Isn't always so, some big guns just kick the snot out of you. But really had no use for it, and shooting it wasn't very affordable. Strange reconciling reasonable and affordable with rifle needs and wants. Really just about what is fun. Who can tell you what you will find to be fun?

Then got bit by the accuracy bug, and understand the old saying, "the only interesting rifles are accurate rifles." Mostly dig accurate bolt actions now. Though it doesn't make much sense, I would like to have a 45/70 bolt action. Somehow me and lever guns never hit it off. Despite all those hours playing cowboy and indian growing up.

The simple elegance of bolt action rifles with long range accuracy are it for me now. More specifically, I love a good trigger on a rifle, and a stock that fits me. Get those together and you have something you just like holding in your hands.

Recently, I shoot more rimfire than anything. You can afford to, and various shooting activities out to 100 yards or bit more are so much fun. I like the focus and concentration of target shooting. Almost like meditation to me.

One way or another almost any decent rifle is interesting. Even when I have no use for it. Not hard to stay interested for a lifetime. Just one of those thing. I like something to hold, go bang, and see if I hit what I aimed for without any particular reason at all.
 
I've been collecting US 20th century military rifles and Finns so I guess I'm interested in their historical aspects as much as their firearms qualities. After that I focus on trigger and sights. My favorite is the M14/M1A and the M1 carbine and the M39 Finn.
 
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