what else uses the 30 carbine round

[M2 Carbine]

In a couple hours I'm taking the Ruger Blackhawk to the local range so some more ladies can shoot it.
Military ball ammo.

I was shooting it about an hour ago. I remember the gun being a lot louder and having more kick when I had my first 30 Blackhawk years ago.

 

[Liberty1776]

This does, this does! (I've actually shot one. - Not considered safe to do so repeatedly...) Anyone recognize what it is?

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.30 Carbine semi-auto pistol

 

[zxcvbob]

Is that a Kimball?

 

[Liberty1776]

yessir... made them in 1956 or thereabouts...

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Don't forget the inspiration for the round. Made to convert the Springfield 1903 to semi auto. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedersen_device

 

[4v50 Gary]

The Pedersen device predated the 30 carbine cartridge and was for a pistol caliber conversion.

 

[Havok7416]

The bullet used for the Pederson Device was a French round (7.65mm Longue). No relation to the .30 Carbine which didn't come out until just before WWII.

 

[mac66]

To the OP, forget the .30 carbine. It is underpowered and obsolete. I'll take the ammo and reloading stuff off your hands.

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

I didn't say it was identical, I said it inspired the .30 Carbine round and concept.

 

[Bob Bonillas]

Blackhawk 30 Carbine

I agree it is very loud and has a definite "crack" in it's report. I do not agree about the recoil. Mine's recoil is about the same as my Glock 10mm. It does have the Hogue rubber grip. It is very accurate as well.

 

[351 WINCHESTER]

I saw a 1905 Winchester self loader that was converted to .30 carbine.

 

[mgkdrgn]

Taurus used to sell a .30 carbine revolver called the Raging 30. It held 8 rounds and was fed via a full moon clip. I had one, sold it, and instantly wished I hadn't!

- - - Yoda

Well, I guess I have to find me one of them!
Have the AutoMag III (Mr muzzle flip!), the Blackhawk (extremely accurate), The lever action rifle (very short stroke) and the M1 Carbine.

 

[Bill50]

.223/556 bothers my ears more than any other round. I would rather shoot next to someone with a 30-06 that has a muzzle break throwing all the sound in my direction than shoot next to someone with a .223/556.

The high frequency kills my ears. I'm one of the few people that can hear electronic devices when they're put on mute. My sister had the same problem. I'm just shy of being able to hear a dog whistle. A very small portion of humans can actually hear a dog whistle.

Sensitivity to high frequency noises will deteriorate with age.

 

[Hacker15E]

And again, for interest, there's always this.......

Built to comply with the UK's ban on centrefire self loaders. They are loud....

Just as an aside, I think it's interesting that the ad describes the .30 Carbine round as:

a superb cartridge capable of being loaded for indoor low loads up to MOA busting 300 yard range accuracy

...since in the US, popular internet barracks rumors (frequently stated and repeated on THR, as well as pretty much every other firearms forum) have built the .30C into the weakest, least accurate round ever invented.

Just look at how frequently we hear the "it will bounce of a Korean's frozen wool coat!" myth perpetuated.

Nice to see the point of view from the other side of the pond.

 

[TRX]

There was an Israeli variant of the Kalashnikov AK platform called the Magal. It was chambered in .30 Carbine.

An AK in .30 Carbine is no weirder than an AK in 12 gauge... it's a very flexible platform.

 

[Pilot]

The bullet used for the Pederson Device was a French round (7.65mm Longue). No relation to the .30 Carbine which didn't come out until just before WWII.

Which was later used in the French S.A.C.M 1935A, and 1935S pistols. (.32 French Lounge, or 7.65MM French). It is a pretty small cartridge.

 

[ThomasT]

I can't add to the list of guns made for the round but would like to add a couple I wish were made.

First, a mini-14 in this caliber would be neat and also I wish H&R chambered the Handi Rifle in this round. That would be a cool platform for all the surplus ammo and there would be no reason to ever lose a single piece of brass.

 

[M2 Carbine]

In about 1968 I saw a short rifle chambered for the 30 Carbine. It was brought back from Viet Nam (illegally).
It had a wood stock, round receiver, stick magazine and two triggers. One for semi auto and the second trigger was full auto.
As I recall it fired from an open bolt.
There were no markings on it but the caliber.

It looked a lot like a 9mm Italian auto rifle I saw pictures of at the time.

I suspected it was probably a under the table deal where the Italians were selling arms to the Viet Cong.
The caliber, 30 M1, being available in Viet Nam at the time.

 

[Jim Watson]

M2, sounds like you are describing the Cristobal Carbine, Model 2.
Designed in Hungary, made and issued in the Dominican Republic, also used in Cuba. Which was probably the Viet Nam connection. We supplied the Viets a lot of carbines for small statured troops and pilfered ammo would likely have been available to VC.
See at http://hungariae.com/Cristo.htm

I don't think one of those would be very readily available just because you had the dies, though,.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Yeah Jim, it was a long time ago but I think that's the rifle.

I only got to shoot it a couple times but as I recall it functioned very well.

No, they probably couldn't be found in the local pawn Shop.

 

[BullfrogKen]

...since in the US, popular internet barracks rumors (frequently stated and repeated on THR, as well as pretty much every other firearms forum) have built the .30C into the weakest, least accurate round ever invented.

Just look at how frequently we hear the "it will bounce of a Korean's frozen wool coat!" myth perpetuated.

The late Jack George (LtCol, ret) in Shots Fired in Anger reflected upon his time in Burma that he much preferred the M1 Carbine to the Garand. He felt the round was powerful enough to kill the Japanese, yet light enough to carry the amount of ammo he felt he needed on a long patrol or in a protracted battle.

He took the position that the general soldier ought to have the Carbine, with a few Garands spread across a platoon for range and more power when needed.

 

[M2 Carbine]

Originally Posted by Hacker15E
...since in the US, popular internet barracks rumors (frequently stated and repeated on THR, as well as pretty much every other firearms forum) have built the .30C into the weakest, least accurate round ever invented.

Just look at how frequently we hear the "it will bounce of a Korean's frozen wool coat!" myth perpetuated.

"Audie L. Murphy, the most decorated American veteran of World War II", preferred the M1 Carbine.

If that isn't good enough, these Marines on Iwo Jima continued to use the M1 Carbine. The Marines (and Navy) were being killed so fast that if anyone wasn't satisfied with their Carbine they could quickly swap it for a dead Marine's M1.

 

[444]

"a superb cartridge capable of being loaded for indoor low loads up to MOA busting 300 yard range accuracy"


Wow
I can't say that I agree with much of that. Superb ? MOA at 300 yards ?.......OK

Not trying to be argumentative, but I have never understood the fanatical loyalty this cartridge inspires from many people on the internet.

I do own a Blackhawk in .30 Carbine, and I also own a USGI Carbine (used to own two). But to me, they are more of a curiosity than anything else. I readily admit that the USGI Carbine is one of the coolest guns ever made, but the cartridge never impressed me in the least.

 

[Jim Watson]

He took the position that the general soldier ought to have the Carbine, with a few Garands spread across a platoon for range and more power when needed.

Sounds like Italian early NATO practice.
A squad had two Garands, balance Beretta SMGs, possibly the best of the bunch. Roy Dunlap said in Ordnance Went Up Front that everybody liked the Beretta 38 series of SMG; be they Italian, German, Brit, or US.

 

[Officers'Wife]

This does, this does! (I've actually shot one. - Not considered safe to do so repeatedly...) Anyone recognize what it is?

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.30 Carbine semi-auto pistol

Nice antique, Kimball isn't it? circa 1954?