What grades of stainless are used in handguns?

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"Also, reading the copy you posted, is it the action or the barrel that is 416?"


Both! And I'll venture a guess that most of the other major rifle manufacturers are using 416 for their stainless barrels as well. Who are the 3 major companies that refuse to use it?
 
As far as Schuemann goes, they can get away with it in a pistol, because the barrel is shrouded by the slide. Those barrel chunks flying about are contained. What if it is the cylinder of your revolver that lets go, or the barrel on your .300 Win Mag?

Well, since last time I checked, this was the HANDGUN discussion forum, so the .300 Winmag was not a subject of discussion.

I agree that the makers I cited are not making 5000 barrels/day, but I suspect a lot more rounds come out of Nowlin, Bar-Sto, and Wilson tubes on an annual, per-unit basis than something from Ruger or other mass makers, because gun gamers tend to use those tubes pretty hard.
 
*cough*
Does anybody know what grade of stainless Beretta uses for the 92FS INOX barrels?

I've run some pretty hot stuff through that gun.... failure of an exposed barrel might just ruin my day...
 
DBR,

"One of the best '"common" grades of cast stainless for strength and corrosion resistance is 17-4. Seecamp used it."

We used this same alloy (w/slight blend) in a MIM-shot for PC drive VCM (head motor) for its high strength & magnetic properties.

Essentially a wax-based/stainless powder-filled, injection molded slurry.

MIM-stuff can be shot at a very high tolerance with zip for machining - unless a lapped surface is desired & that can be had a a pretty goodly rate with decent fixturing EDM.

Too & BTW, many of the "stainless steels" will rust like a bandit.

"stainless" is as much a lie as is "conservative." ;)
 
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"The companies I know of are Winchester, Browning, FNMI, and Smith & Wesson."


Any idea what stainless they're using in place of 416?
 
I wouldn't have thought 410 was a great choice for barrels, especially high powered rifle barrels. Ruger switched from 410 when they came out with the Super RedHawk.
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Gunmaker zeroes in on aerospace alloys to toughen its latest product

By Joseph Ogando, Materials and Fastening Editor
Design News
October 16, 2000


Newport, NH —Anyone who decides to shoot a bear with a handgun has two overwhelming concerns. Not missing is really, really important. And so is having a gun with some stopping power since angry bears are unlikely to be gracious about a flesh wound.

The Super Redhawk .454 from Sturm Ruger has nothing if not stopping power. One of the most powerful six-shooters in the world, this revolver shoots a .454 Casull cartridge that packs about 50% more power than a 44 magnum. It's a cartridge that straddles a fine line between bullet and bomb. For the shooter, all this extra muscle translates to a gun that, in the right hands, can drop a bear, elk or other large animal at a distance up to 200 yards. For the engineers who worked on the Super Redhawk, the added power forced them to expand their arsenal of gun steels.

Ruger Chief Engineer Steven Perniciaro points out that the .454 Casull goes off with the highest chamber pressures (62,000 psi) of any handgun on the market. Those pressures—and the resulting stresses—triggered a tightening of strength and fracture-toughness requirements that ruled out the 410 stainless that Ruger successfully uses for smaller guns. "Type 410 stainless just wasn't as strong as we would have liked," Perniciaro says.

Looking for a material that could stand up to the .454, Ruger's engineers decided to give specialty alloys a shot. They constructed the Super Redhawk's cylinder and barrel from alloys that Carpenter Technology Corp. (Reading, PA) first developed for aerospace applications.

Six-shot cylinder. The Super Redhawk's pressure-driven strength requirements are most apparent in its cylinder, which is based on a Ruger 44 magnum. "We decided to scale up and 'ruggedize' our 44 platform rather than reinvent the wheel," Perniciaro says. The scale-up lets shooters move up to a larger caliber with only minimal gain in gun size and weight, and it sets the six-shot Super Red Hawk apart from every other gun in its class. "All the other .454's on the market only have five shots," Perniciaro says. But expanding an existing 44 magnum cylinder also presented a design challenge that intensified the strength requirements for the gun steel. Because the new cylinder has the same OD and bolt center of its 44 magnum forerunner, the wall sections between chambers thinned in proportion to the increase in caliber—or about 25%. As Perniciaro sums up, "The cylinder material had to withstand higher pressures with thinner walls."

Making matters worse, industry practice requires that new gun designs be tested with "proof loads" that generate more than 140% of the chamber pressure experienced in real-world firing conditions. According to Perniciaro, this safety factor means that the Super Redhawk's cylinder actually needed to withstand pressures up to 93,500 psi—greater than the 65,000 psi the gun will see in service and dramatically higher than the 36,000 psi typical with a 44 magnum.

Proof-load tests on a prototype Super Redhawk made from 410 stainless revealed that its first choice would get the cylinder into the safety zone. "410 was strong enough for actual firing conditions but not for the tests," Perniciaro reports. So Ruger produced a cylinder from Carpenter's Custom 465, a martensitic alloy with an ultimate tensile strength of 260 ksi at peak aging. "It passed the tests with no problems," he says, adding that the gun has been out in the field for about a year with no problems.

Looking down the barrel. The 454's extra power also translated to new requirements not just for added strength in the barrel but also for wear and corrosion resistance. Perniciaro explains that impact force and high-velocity gases tend to erode the barrel at the bullet's entry point. This "throat slamming effect" intensifies with cartridge size and velocity.

Doubly concerned about strength and throat slamming, Ruger engineers quickly ruled out 410 stainless steel despite its strong track record on Ruger's smaller revolvers. "After thousands of rounds, we thought we'd see some throat erosion with the 410," Perniciaro notes. The designers next considered conventional 15Cr-5Ni stainless steel (15-5), which met all the design requirements but one. "It was a bear to machine," says Perniciaro. Gun drilling a 0.480 in. diam. hole in a 1.25 inch OD, 19-in.-long bar took 28 minutes in 15-5—a huge productivity tradeoff compared to the 17.27 minutes it takes to machine a comparable barrel from 410. Ruger ultimately met its design and productivity goals with Project 7000, a 15Cr-5N stainless designed specifically for machinability. "Project 7000 let us match the cycle time of 410," Perniciaro says.

Based on this first use of aerospace alloys, Perniciaro predicts a growing role for a host of non-traditional metals whose strength-to-weight ratios will let Ruger's engineers do an even better job at balancing the power, size, and heft of smaller firearms. "New materials will help us to push the limits of handgun design," he says.



Dueling guns

Super Redhawk 454
44 Magnum

Muzzle energy
1,431 ft-lb
933 ft-lb

Muzzle velocity
1,448 ft/sec
1,175 ft/sec

Chamber pressure (proof load)
93,500 psi
57,500 psi

Chamber wall thickness
0.065 inches
0.087 inches

Weight
53 oz
58 oz

Material
Custom 465
410 Stainless

Tensile strength
260 ksi
193 ksi

Yield strength
238 ksi
158 ksi

Density
0.283 lbs/in³
0.280 lbs/in³
 
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