RangerHAAF
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I could care less what the neighbors think of me and I have no co-workers since I'm self employed. I've shot at men in combat and I've never given any of it a second thought.
What happens after a shooting inside your house?
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Deanimator
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I WANT to be "treated like a pariah" by stupid people. Anybody who would rather that I be maimed or murdered rather than defend myself is nobody with whom I'd want ANY contact. Being "shunned" by imbeciles is a GOOD thing.
highorder
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It's early yet, but that one gets a nod as the quote of the day.
wabrams
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Not necessarily. Ever heard of Auditory exclusion? Neat stuff.
highorder
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Incorrect.
Actual physical damage IS DONE. Auditiory Exclusion only affects perception.
Vern Humphrey
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I have a friend who is an ex-cop and a practicing attorney, specializing in self-defense. His advice is to identify yourself, and have your firearm cleared and lying in the open for the police to take if they wish. The only things you should say to the police is, "I'm the one who called. I'm too upset now to talk, but I've called my attorney and we'll give you a statement in the morning."
lasinvegas
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What happened -
-Called the police
-Told the neighbor it was ok to come in - he ran over with his 45 after hearing shots
-Sent the kids home with the neighbor
-Left cleared pistol on dining table for police
-Sat on front step to wait for police (took them 8 minutes)
-Went back inside accompanied by 2 officers while third took wifes statement
-They looked over scene and asked if I had a loaded gun becasue I was expecting trouble
Told them I always keep one in the safe next to bed, showed them safe from doorway.
-Crime scene peeps took about 2k pictures
-Police took my statement in house because I didn not want to go outside with all the extra people in the house.
-During all this time others were checking out guy on the floor
-Coroner showed and they all chatted, packed up the body and started clearing out.
-We were left alone within 3 hours with an appointment to come in to the station next morning and a list of numbers of people to call for cleanup
-Went in the next day and were told that the DA had to review all the facts and decide whether or not he wished to pursue anything.
-4 days later - Heard from DA that the evidence supported my claim and they would not pursue any actions as is was justifiable
-20 days later - picked up pistol from police and sold it to one of the responding officers 45 minutes later (It had been replaced the afternoon after the 'incident')
Neighbors never treated me different, very few of them have asked about it other than the one that ran over. He had to have a full report. We did not hire a clean up crew, all blood was on linoleum in the kitchen so I removed it and had tile put in instead. It was cheaper and I had already bought the tile and hadn't found the time to do it. Police were nice for the most part and never asked to go anywhere that wasn't directly involved.
As a note - We had been out of town and had driven back in around 9 that night and as such hadn't picked up our mali from the kennel. I doubt he would have gotten in the house if the dog had been there. The guy put duct tape over a glass in the door and knocked it out to reach in and unlock the door. Since then the only thing I changed was to add the pins in the floor to back up the door locks. These keep the door from opening until pulled.
I have never woken up or second guessed myself. He knew he wasn't supposed to be in my house and once you cross that line whatever happens to you is your fault
-Called the police
-Told the neighbor it was ok to come in - he ran over with his 45 after hearing shots
-Sent the kids home with the neighbor
-Left cleared pistol on dining table for police
-Sat on front step to wait for police (took them 8 minutes)
-Went back inside accompanied by 2 officers while third took wifes statement
-They looked over scene and asked if I had a loaded gun becasue I was expecting trouble
Told them I always keep one in the safe next to bed, showed them safe from doorway.
-Crime scene peeps took about 2k pictures
-Police took my statement in house because I didn not want to go outside with all the extra people in the house.
-During all this time others were checking out guy on the floor
-Coroner showed and they all chatted, packed up the body and started clearing out.
-We were left alone within 3 hours with an appointment to come in to the station next morning and a list of numbers of people to call for cleanup
-Went in the next day and were told that the DA had to review all the facts and decide whether or not he wished to pursue anything.
-4 days later - Heard from DA that the evidence supported my claim and they would not pursue any actions as is was justifiable
-20 days later - picked up pistol from police and sold it to one of the responding officers 45 minutes later (It had been replaced the afternoon after the 'incident')
Neighbors never treated me different, very few of them have asked about it other than the one that ran over. He had to have a full report. We did not hire a clean up crew, all blood was on linoleum in the kitchen so I removed it and had tile put in instead. It was cheaper and I had already bought the tile and hadn't found the time to do it. Police were nice for the most part and never asked to go anywhere that wasn't directly involved.
As a note - We had been out of town and had driven back in around 9 that night and as such hadn't picked up our mali from the kennel. I doubt he would have gotten in the house if the dog had been there. The guy put duct tape over a glass in the door and knocked it out to reach in and unlock the door. Since then the only thing I changed was to add the pins in the floor to back up the door locks. These keep the door from opening until pulled.
I have never woken up or second guessed myself. He knew he wasn't supposed to be in my house and once you cross that line whatever happens to you is your fault
mljdeckard
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I'm reminded of the scene in "The Untouchables" when Costner dropped the guy with a shotgun who wouldn't stop charging. Sean Connery come up next to him;
"I had to kill that man."
"Yes, he's as dead as Julius Caesar. Would you rather it was you?"
"No, I would not."
"Then go home and sleep well."
If you are going to arm yourself to use deadly force if someone is trying to kill you, you need to decide IN ADVANCE that you are willing to accept the consequences, and that living is better than dying, period. Mindset, skillset, toolset.
"I had to kill that man."
"Yes, he's as dead as Julius Caesar. Would you rather it was you?"
"No, I would not."
"Then go home and sleep well."
If you are going to arm yourself to use deadly force if someone is trying to kill you, you need to decide IN ADVANCE that you are willing to accept the consequences, and that living is better than dying, period. Mindset, skillset, toolset.
Vern Humphrey
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What is unethical about a willing seller selling to a willing buyer?
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Actually, California has long had a castle doctrine type philosophy long before CD was codified in many other states. Other than that though, sure.
Mostly, if the chief officer on scene has no reason to suspect any real foul play, then they'll take lots of pictures, evidence, written statements from everyone, and will confiscate any weapons you used on the perp. They may take additional evidence if they feel it is necessary. They may ask to search your house, or go through with a dog to make sure no one else is in there (often at this point, less than smart people are often busted for drugs if they have them hidden away somewhere).
In Florida, they cannot arrest you, by law, unless they have a reasonable belief that you acted criminally and not in self-defense.
I'd also recommend getting a professional crew that specializes in biohazard clean up. You don't know what pathogens and STDs the perp carries, and shouldn't expose yourself to that. Let the guys who know what to do take care of it. Sometimes your home insurance may cover the cost.
Your brain does not register the signal from your ears, but the damage is still done. So you may not "hear" it, but the damage is still done to your ears.
Mostly, if the chief officer on scene has no reason to suspect any real foul play, then they'll take lots of pictures, evidence, written statements from everyone, and will confiscate any weapons you used on the perp. They may take additional evidence if they feel it is necessary. They may ask to search your house, or go through with a dog to make sure no one else is in there (often at this point, less than smart people are often busted for drugs if they have them hidden away somewhere).
In Florida, they cannot arrest you, by law, unless they have a reasonable belief that you acted criminally and not in self-defense.
I'd also recommend getting a professional crew that specializes in biohazard clean up. You don't know what pathogens and STDs the perp carries, and shouldn't expose yourself to that. Let the guys who know what to do take care of it. Sometimes your home insurance may cover the cost.
Your brain does not register the signal from your ears, but the damage is still done. So you may not "hear" it, but the damage is still done to your ears.
blaisenguns
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Ok, what happens if you dont kill the guy with the first shot? I have heard that you have to make sure to kill the assailent otherwise they will sue you.
Guns and more
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Dream on.
Your guns will be confiscated.
You may go to trial. (if the DA is up for re-election.)
You will be portrayed as a "cowboy, vigilante, killer."
Your ammo may be called, "Cop killer, armor piercing, bullets."
The perp will be portrayed as, "A goood boy. Planning on going to college." Even if he had 30 priors.
You will be financially ruined defending yourself.
The perp will have an attorney paid by YOUR tax dollars.
You may lose your job. (because you are in court.)
It better be worth it.
After the criminal trial is over, and you are found "Not guilty", you may be sued in civil court by the perps family. Here we go again.
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mljdeckard
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Guns and more-
You don't know that your scenario is any more likely then the one you are criticizing.
The state and circumstances can vary GREATLY here.
You don't know that your scenario is any more likely then the one you are criticizing.
The state and circumstances can vary GREATLY here.
I believe Guns and More is more correct than you may think. In my CPL class my instructor kept drilling into us. Say "You were trying to stop the threat" over and over. Do not go into any more detail than that until you lawyer arrives. Expect to be taken to the station for questioning. You just killed a man, expect it to be expensive.
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lasinvegas
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Luigi - Had no problem with the gun, I bought a new one the day after for my conceal to replace it. Didn't think I would ever see it again to be honest.
gray mana- No breach of ethics. I mentioned that I didn't need it and was going to sell through a local gun shop. He was already there when I walked in and bought it for the asking price through the dealer. Dealer got his commission and everyone left happy. Of course when I seen him there I made the price $100 under what I had planned on.
gray mana- No breach of ethics. I mentioned that I didn't need it and was going to sell through a local gun shop. He was already there when I walked in and bought it for the asking price through the dealer. Dealer got his commission and everyone left happy. Of course when I seen him there I made the price $100 under what I had planned on.
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The thing that really gets me riled up is the fact that they confiscate your weapon and you may or may not get it back, even if you are found to be justified. They just take away your method of defending yourself in your home which you clearly demonstrated that you need by being forced into using it. I have more than one weapon, so I wouldn't be defenseless but what about people that only have like one home defense weapons and that is it. Maybe they don't want more guns, maybe they can't afford more, or maybe the Mosin Nagant tends to over penetrate a smidge, either way they are taking away the defense tool just because you used it. To me this would be as dumb as asking an officer to turn in his Kevlar vest after someone pulled a weapon on him.
I mean if I shoot someone with my 12 gauge it will be kinda obvious when I call the police and they show what I shot them with, why would they need to process it. Not like they need a ballistic match or nothing. The only possible reason there would be to check barrel length, which could easily be accomplished in my home. I give my self 19.5 inches when I cut it and I figure even the ****tiest measuring instrument is accurate within 1.5 inches.
I would still be holding it when they showed up also, you never know if someone else (an accomplice) is hiding outside the door. If they see you clear the weapon and move away from it they might try to attack you for killing there buddy. Personally I'd hang on to it until the police got there and asked me to put it down while they checked around.
I mean if I shoot someone with my 12 gauge it will be kinda obvious when I call the police and they show what I shot them with, why would they need to process it. Not like they need a ballistic match or nothing. The only possible reason there would be to check barrel length, which could easily be accomplished in my home. I give my self 19.5 inches when I cut it and I figure even the ****tiest measuring instrument is accurate within 1.5 inches.
I would still be holding it when they showed up also, you never know if someone else (an accomplice) is hiding outside the door. If they see you clear the weapon and move away from it they might try to attack you for killing there buddy. Personally I'd hang on to it until the police got there and asked me to put it down while they checked around.
shotgunjoel
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Yeah that, and the PTSD.
Stop the threat, that's what you should be worried about. And if you are worried about getting sued, shooting him 8 times isn't going to look real good either.
mljdeckard
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Guns and more is speaking a lot in absolutes, saying "will" when he should be saying "might".
1) You may be in a state where they can't sue in civil court if the shoot is justified.
-or, if not-
2) Assailant might not be able to sue because he's assuming room temperature in a body bag, but you can be guaranteed that his family (to whom he's an "innocent boy") will come out of the woodwork to bleed you dry. So, either you get sued by him or family anyway.
It's going to look real bad on you if you "finish him off". The investigators will find out.
Two of the most annoying phrases I have heard are "If you shoot him outside, drag him inside and you will be legal" and "shoot him one more time to make sure"
blaisenguns
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Thanks for that guys.
I think that might be a bad idea, the cops will know that there has been a breaking and entering, and know there was a shooting, but possibly assume that the guy with the gun is dangerous. I would make the call right after the shooting, make sure everyone in the house is safe, turn on every light inside and outside the house, and secure the perimeter, than unload and wait.
bdickens
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Wow, why do you even own a gun?
1st off my this is the way it should be was written tongue in cheek - so "Lighten up Francis..."
2nd - if what happens where you live is what you wrote then MOVE to a free state.
3rd - In Oklahoma where I live my tongue in cheek should be isn't all that far off from what actually happens. It is rare for the police to arrest a home owner that has shot and/or killed an intruder unless there is obvious evidence that it was a bad shoot (and those do occur occasionally). It's hard, though, to have a bad shoot in one's home here. The law (OK Self Defense Act) specifically provides that someone entering your home illegally is assumed to be there to do you grave and serious harm. You are permitted by law to use lethal force. Period. And you are immune from civil liability for using that lethal force which is also defined by law.
It is rare in the case of a home invasion for a home owner who has shot an intruder to even be charged, let alone have to suffer the BS you describe.
You've been reading too much Ayoob. Not all of America is the hell hole for citizens vs scum that he makes it out to be. Some of us live in states where the rights of the citizen outweigh those of criminal scum.
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