What happens to your gun?....Hypothetically speaking

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I'm sure this question has come up before, but I couldn't figure out the best way to search for an answer so I'll just ask the question.

If youre involved in a self defense shooting, do the police confiscate your weapon as evidence and do you ever see it again, or is kept in an evidence room for all eternity? God willing I'll never have to find out for myself I was just curious if using your ccw even if you are fully justified means you'll probably never see it again. I can't imagine that you wouldn't get it back, but I also wouldn't bee too shocked if the police wanted to keep it.

Thoughts?
 
Depends on the shooting, the jurisdiction, the police, and the standing policies in your area.

In some cases where it's a clear-cut case of a "good shoot", the cops pat you on the back, say "atta boy", and bid you good day.

If it's questionable, the gun may be taken in for evidence.

There are too many variables to give any sort of definite answer.
 
Depends on what was described above. However it more than likely would be taken pending potential charges. It would be up to you to keep on top of the many hurdles and even fees they create to get it back (like paying for a new background check before your legaly registered weapon is returned, yes they do that in CA, even if it is confiscated or taken routinely by no fault of your own). Many places have a time limit from the day it is no longer needed (which will not be on your timeline) as evidence to its "destruction" date where it is destroyed, sold, transfered, or otherwise never to be returned to you.

That said the court costs of any defensive case that goes to court will be many many times the value of the firearm. The "victim's" family's civil case will likely cost at least as much to win if that is pursued. All the while your gun will be destroyed 30-90 (depending on location and policy) days after the time it ceases to be evidence in many places which they will not announce or make you aware of. So magicly one day your firearm will start a countdown until destruction. It may be a year after the incident, maybe 15months, maybe several years.

If you do attempt to keep on top of it you may still get misinformation, not find out about the start of the countdown or have other issues that are commonplace in our justice system where various agencies and policies and the representatives of those agencies do not know or understand half of what is going on themselves, nevermind help to keep you clearly informed. So even attempting to keep on top of it may result in you finding out after the fact that it was "destroyed" (has a new home.) Or you may get responsive professional information and have little to no problems. It all depends on the bureaucracy of your local system.

Just because you're are on the right side of the law does not mean you will feel like a winner in the end :neener:

Innocent people also go to prison as well, so even if justified you still have somewhat of a gamble taking place. Here is a list of some of the potential outcomes:

1. You could lose the criminal trial for murder.

2.Some jury could decide to "compromise" with your life to make the "victim's" family feel better (because you better believe they will have stories of thier wonderful young man whose life you ended) and just give you a lesser charge that gives you a few years and still makes you a felon even for a just shoot.

3.You could win the criminal case as a just shoot, and then lose everything in the civil case the impoverished family of the individual attempting to victimize you sees as thier final chance to strike it rich, or just plain punish you for thier loss, losing everything you have ever earned and owing more for years or the rest of your life.

4.You could win both criminal and civil and just have tens of thousands in attorney fees to pay off.

5.Or they could just decide not to let the courts find the facts and rule it just at the time.

Big gamble, your firearm is likely to be one of the least of the concerns. Once you defend yourself your role as a victim will likely have just started.
 
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Thanks for the info

zoogster you sound just like my ccw instructor, he said a lot of the same things you did. I remember it made me actually have second thoughts about even wanting to carry at all when he went through the list of things that could happen to you even on the most justified defensive shoot. And then he got to the money issues, man it can be expensive to protect your life:eek:

Isn't it sad how the system can screw over the good guys and even when the good guys win theyre broke from all the legal fees, it doesn't seem right:cuss:
 
I think that's why you need to contact your state legislators and push for the "castle doctrine" in AZ. We just passed it here in TX and it was an awesome victory for the people of this state. In case you're not familiar with it, it provides the following:

1. no duty to retreat from an attack when you are someplace you are legally allowed to be
2. it's the prosecutors burden of proof that you weren't defending yourself (as opposed to the old way where it was your responsibility to prove that you were defending yourself)
3. civil immunity if you were defending yourself from an attack (bye bye lawsuits from "victims" and their families)
4. if they broke into your house, car, or place of business they're legally presumed to be presenting a threat of death or serious bodily injury to you

These laws have been getting passed in a lot of states over the past couple of years. I don't know if AZ has looked into them yet but it wouldn't be a bad idea to write your state rep. about it.
 
It pays to be a victim in our criminal justice system.... unfortunately, even criminals are considered victims any more.

I say shoot to slide lock, no matter what, every time. Don't ever question your decision to fire.

Don't carry unless you're willing to draw.
Don't draw unless you're willing to fire.
Don't fire unless you're willing to kill.
Don't kill unless you're willing to accept the consequences. Spiritually, emotionally and Criminally.
 
sounds to me that one may be better off just hoping that you do not get killed or maimed by a bg. Read: fetal position and pray.

I am thinking it all goes back on liberal "do-gooders". Not being a legal source of information I can only suppose that laws allowing criminals families to sue you into the poorhouse were initiated by those intent on removing 2A rights.

How does a good shoot become a questionable shoot? Which may well land you in prison.
 
yup, while "dead men" don't sue, their family can, and often times will sue.

it's not a good thing that some mean-spirited member of the priviliged class gunned-down a young, enterprising, God-fearing, loving child, and you better believe there will be "justice".
 
In today's judicial system there are basically two positions when it comes to self defense:

1. Fetal/put your head between your legs and kiss your @ss goodbye (if you decide to not fight back the attacker).

2. Bend over, grab your ankles, and spread 'em cause here comes the Penile system (if you fight back and happen to hurt the poor, innocent, attempted murderer).

If you would happen to be in a justified self-defense shooting, chances are your gun would be taken for a while until everything has been taken care of. However, if you do not keep up with your weapon on a consistent basis, there is a very good chance that they would mysteriously lose it, atleast, that's what happened to my family. I guess the smart thing to do is make sure that whatever weapon you keep with you for defense is completely replaceable.
 
In my situation, it was a pretty freaking clear case of self-defence ( the bad guy did have a rifle pointed at me and had already cranked off a bunch of rounds). But my firearm was put into evidence and stayed there for about four years. One year for the trial and then another three years for all his appeals to run out.
I did get it back eventually, but in the meantime I had replaced it of course, so now I have two of the exact same model G30, right down to the night sights.
And yes, I was sued. Not by the mutt in prison, but by his adoring mother, who couldn't believe that her darling baby boy was really going to kill me and the two others involved. My insurance company settled with her for a lousy $5k on a one-time, take-it-or-leave-it deal. I fought it but ultimately it was there decision and I still think it sucks.
 
If you were cleared of the charges, why would they need your gun for the criminal case against the BG? It's not like he used it to commit the crime, do they confiscate an officer's gun if he uses it to stop a BG also (excepting the police investigation of the shooting of course)?
 
As mentioned...use a replaceable weapon...not a collectable or expensive one. A $200 12GA is a good choice.
 
If you were cleared of the charges, why would they need your gun for the criminal case against the BG?
The way the DA explained it to me was that they wanted to keep every single piece of evidence they could so that that a potential appeal would have no chance. They didn't want the defense attorney to have anything to work with. Well that strategy worked I guess, as his appeals went no where and he's serving a 52 year sentence of which he must serve 80% (that's 41.5 years) before he's even eligible for parole. He was 21 at the time of the incident... he might make it.
 
heypete

Are you saying there are cases of shootings by civilians where the police don't take custody of the gun, at least until the investigation is completed? Do you know this from firsthand knowledge, or hearsay?

Wouldn't it be investigatorial negligence to *not* take custody of the gun for the duration of the investigation?

K
 
My insurance company settled with her for a lousy $5k on a one-time, take-it-or-leave-it deal. I fought it but ultimately it was there decision and I still think it sucks.

Not to hurt your feelings, because it was your money, but to an insurance company, $5K is chump change. She and her attorney were none too bright. They should have settled for 10x that.
 
Bayouteche77 said:
2. Bend over, grab your ankles, and spread 'em cause here comes the Penile system (if you fight back and happen to hurt the poor, innocent, attempted murderer).

Sorry, my poop chute has a sign on it that says "Exit Only."

I wonder what it would take to get a "stand your ground" type of a law passed in my home state, where immunity from civil litigation would be granted if a righteous shoot.
 
30 cal

that was going to be my next tattoo. ONE WAY EXIT ONLY SEVERE DAMAGE WILL RESULT over my lower back

Len
 
...but to an insurance company, $5K is chump change.
And I completely understand that; the lawyer for the insurance company put it this way: "What if it goes to trial? He could get a sympathetic judge and jury and you could lose your home, your business, everything, so if I had a chance to make the whole thing go away for a lousy $5k and didn't do it, then I wouldn't be doing my job."
Put it like that, I understand and agree with it; but it still bothers me.

What sort of insurance policy are you referring to?
This incident happened at a shooting range during business hours; therefore I was covered under the range's blanket insurance policy. She sued the range and me.
 
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