What happens when a Mauser C96 7.63 fires a 9mm bullet

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I thought that a gun would be badly damaged from firing a 9mm bullet through a 30 caliber barrel. . In this case no. The bullet was inaccurate, but after wards firing the correct ammo, accuracy was there. Even the report from the mismatch firing was not so different in noise or recoil.

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Well, I'd trade a chronograph for the pistol not exploding in my face, any day. Lucky man.

This type of issue is why I avoid similar types of ammo sizes, like 9mm Luger, and 380.
 
The bullet only had one place to go and luckily it was out the muzzle! Had it not exited the bore the next round would have done damage creating high air pressure between the two bullets.
 
This type of issue is why I avoid similar types of ammo sizes, like 9mm Luger, and 380.
Bad example. .380/9mm and 9mm/.40S&W are quite safe when mixed up. Ask hundreds of thousands of inattentive shooters and attentive brass hounds how I know.

Short-loaded .300BO/5.56NATO on the other hand will spoil your day, as will .308Win in any LA small bore .30/06-derived cartridge in CRF, or a hundred less-common mixups.
 
Learned, just yesterday, from Ian at Forgotten Weapons, that Mauser had a similar sort of idea.

The the 9 mauser export is a .30 mauser with the shoulder taken out and making a 9x25.
And, they offered a C96 in the caliber at pistol trials.
This was before the 9x19 was adopted as the Parabellum.

So, the C96 will take a beating.
 
A testament to the strength of Paul Mausers engineering! I once was given a 30-06 to mount a scope and sight in. The fellow gave me a handful of 30-06 ammo, or I presumed so. After firing about 3 shots I realized the last case that extracted had spiral splits. It was a 280. The cartridge must have been held against the bolt by the extractor so the firing pin could hit the primer. Cartridges that use the parent 30-06 case (and others) usually change in length or shoulder anglew to prevent chambering.
 
I imagine that the chamber pressure went trough the roof as the .355 " bullet swaged down to .309" and the recoil velocity of the bolt put quite a test on the bolt stop at the rear of the barrel extension (as the bolt housing is known, barrel and upper receiver being one piece).

Internet rumor has it that guns and ammuniton were short among the French Marquis guerillas fighting the Nazis in WWII; and they would pull the stunt of using a 7.63mm Mauser pistol with 9mm ammo if that was all they had, usually just once: to kill a German sentry and take his arms and ammo.
 
A testament to Mauser's design, fabrication and materials excellence.

I was shooting with my old Scoutmaster back in the day when while we were looking for camp sites. He wanted to shoot his .30-06 Model 70, and brought some ammo. He couldn't hit anything, so I looked at the cases... Yup- .270 WIN. No harm, no fowl.

More recently, I grabbed what I thought was my .38-40 Vaquero and headed to the range. After a cylinder full of Black Hills .38-40 with no accuracy, I looked at the barrel... Yup- .44-40. No harm, no fowl.

I have never experienced a hazardous combination.
 
As expensive as the C96 Mauser is, I'd be super careful about the ammo. I have one made in 1897 and have shot it only a few times. I double check the ammo.
 
I have been saying for years that the C-96 is a strong design. More than strong enough ( if in good condition ) to handle 762X25 ammo. Having said that, I would have thought the gun would have gone grenade the second he pulled the trigger. :what:
 
A Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt will fire .44 Magnum rounds. No harm, no foul. Don't ask me how I know.

I have (not intentionally) done the same thing with a Colt SAA. The recoil felt about the same as a .30-06. It's not an experience I care to repeat.
 
IIRC the Germans had "taper bore" artillery that squeezed the projectile smaller as it went down the bore.
 
Isn’t there a barrel design that intentionally squeezes the projectile to a smaller diameter?
IIRC the Germans had "taper bore" artillery that squeezed the projectile smaller as it went down the bore.
A lot of people played with the "tapered bore" or "squeeze bore" idea.

The projectile was designed to reduce the force required to squeeze the diameter down to the final dimension:

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When the US played with the idea in the early 1950s, we found the best way to do this, from a cost and performance trade-off was to put a massive choke on the end of the barrel, just like a shotgun choke, only the restriction was in the order of 15 to 20 percent.

However, once they figured out how to get discarding sabots to be accurate, the tapered bore gun fell out of favor.
 
_ .44 Magnum rounds in a Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt
_ .270 Winchester rounds in a .30-06 Model 70 rifle
_ .38-40 rounds in a .44-40 Vaquero revolver
OK, maybe no harm no foul. People have shot .30-30 rounds in a .32 Winchester Special rifle to fireform brass for reloading and lived to tell about it.
A smaller bullet down a larger diameter barrel is not the same as the Opening Post: a larger 9mm Parabellum .355" bullet down a narrower 7.63mm Mauser .309" barrel.
I would advise people to be sure to shoot the rounds their gun was designed for.
 
Isn’t there a barrel design that intentionally squeezes the projectile to a smaller diameter?
There have been some taper bore designs for small arms, but the results gained do not match the huge change in price required to make them.
Then, there's the whole issue of really needing specifically tailored ammo to get the best results out of the taper barrel.

Which is what scuttled the German taper-bore anti-tank rifles. Which were about 50% lighter on the ground, along with being shorter overall. But, the need for solid tungsten shot cores pretty much doomed them just as they were fielded.
Mind, the Germans wanted everything out of the engineering, so there was no easy way to adapt the round to solid steel shot. They were squeezing 50mm projectiles down to near 40mm, which is a lot of "squish." And in a short barrel length, too.

This is unlike the Allies experience with the Little John adapters for 37mm rifles. The adapter squished a sheetmetal skirt down on the steel penetrator using a threaded-on barrel adapter. From (potetntially fickle) memory, these necked 37mm projectiles to 33-34mm. In the field, the adapter was discovered to be less-than necessary in actual practice.

The Brits advanced that a step with their "arrowhead" projectiles. Which was a solid shot from a 57mm round set inside a cast lightweight casing matching 76mm rounds. Give a 57mm round a 76mm "push" and it wants to go fast, very fast. Only real problem is that those rounds, when inaccurately cast would launch inaccurately as well. The 17 pounder tank cannon was good inside 300m, but was getting to minute of really big barn at 800-1000m.
 
Isn’t there a barrel design that intentionally squeezes the projectile to a smaller diameter?
Below IRAQvetern8888 fire 454 casul and other rounds in a full choke .410 shotgun with .387 inch diameter choke and the choke diameter was not changed.

 
A Marlin 1894 in .45 Colt will fire .44 Magnum rounds. No harm, no foul. Don't ask me how I know.
So will an Old Model Vaquero .45 Colt...other than a ruined .44 Magnum case, all was ok. (a friend reached into the wrong ammo can and proved that one unintentionally.) :what:

Stay safe.
 
A person would be a fool to mistake a 9mm for a 7.63 Mauser.
I shoot a lot of 9mm and 7.62 Tokarev and can't even believe someone would make such a mistake.
 
I shot a 308 round out of my 3006 BAR. No harm done and I hit where I was aiming.
My problem that day was bring 308 and 3006 rifles to the range and not paying attention
to what rounds I had laying next to what rifle. .
 
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