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What is a carbine weapon ?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by chetrogers, Jul 24, 2003.

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  1. chetrogers

    chetrogers Member

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    I was under the impression that a carbine weapon was a rifle that shot pistol ammo..Im young and stupid could anyone educate me on this..thanks..I would love to have a .45acp or .44 mag rifle any suggestions...Oh and that dont cost a ton.As always thanks for your time
     
  2. Ewok

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    Carbine just means it has a short barrel. The first ones were for calvary use, since a full-sized rifle is awkward to use while on a horse.
     
  3. CWL

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    Here's the Wikipedia definition, which is as good a definition as I've ever seen. Notice that type of ammunition caliber plays no part in designation.

    Carbine
    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    Carbine is a firearm, similar to but shorter than an ordinary rifle or musket in barrel and stock. Carbine was originally developed to be used by cavalry soldiers, for whom a full-length rifle was too heavy and cumbersome to be fired from horseback. Carbines have also been issued to secondary troops, such as cooks, technicians etc., for whom a lighter weapon is sufficient and desirable. Many military rifles have been manufactured in both full-length and carbine versions. After WWII the assault rifle, which is basically a cross-breed of the carbine and a submachine gun, has become the standard infantry weapon, and carbine as a category of military firearms has virtually vanished.

    Today the term 'carbine' is used on variety of firearms, basically anything between a pistol and a rifle. Pistols with a shoulder stock, submachine guns or assault rifles with only single fire cabability and small rifles designed to fire pistol cartridges can be seen to bear the title.
     
  4. TallPine

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    I thought everybody knew ...

    It's a gun designed to shoot beans at cars. :D
     
  5. Ironbarr

    Ironbarr Member In Memoriam

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    BTW chetrogers...

    Congrats for earning the "Senior Member" title.

    Trouble is - now you're a young SENIOR ... :) :)
     
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    A few more terms...

    A full-auto long gun firing a rifle cartridge or larger is called a machinegun. A full-auto long gun firing an intermediate cartridge (smaller than a rifle cartridge, but larger than a pistol cartridge) is called an assualt weapon. A full-auto long gun firing a pistol cartridge is called a submachinegun.
     
  7. 4v50 Gary

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    You're probably asking about what's called a pistol caliber carbine. Those are short rifles chambered for a pistol caliber bullet, e.g., 9 mm, 45 ACP, 40 S&W. Guns that fall into this category includes the Ruger PC-9 & PC-40, the Calico 950, Uzi Carbine (16"bbl), HK-94, Colt AR-15 in 9mm, etc.

    Note: The "term" carbine has evolved over the centuries. Back in the days when a long barrel gun (39-46" bbl) was cut down to 33" or so, the shorter barrel gun was called a carbine. During the Civil War, rifled muskets were around 39" long, short rifles 33" or so, and musketoons a mere 24" long. See how it changes? The German Mauser 98 of WW I fame featured a 29" long barrel. The Mountain Carbine version was a mere 24" long. Modernly many of our commercial rifles are 22-24" long. So, when you apply the term, also consider the period in which it is being used.
     
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    Don't forget about the Marlin camp carbines in 9mm & 45acp. They aren't made any longer but they were some good "carbines".

    I almost forgot the Thompson.

    einnor
     
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    A sort of follow-up question...

    Is it car-bean or car-bine ? Or is this one of those po-tay-to/po-tah-to things?
     
  10. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

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    Prapuhlee speaking the eye is long, so it's car-bine as in twine. Bedatasitmay, I likka call it car-bean as in frijoles. Just an ignant product of the Californian publick school seztem.
     
  11. Snowdog

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    Perhaps it varies from state to state, but around here, it's "car-bean".
     
  12. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

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    I've always heard "carbine" pronounced with a long "I" to rhyme with "mine."
     
  13. Coronach

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    I think theis was gone over on TFL pretty thoroughly. Both are used often enough to be considered appropriate, but IIRC "car-bean" was more common.

    YMMV.

    Mike

    PS I say car-bean. *shrug*
     
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    Funny, I thought it was a gun that shot cars at beans.:confused: Learn something every day...
     
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    Kel-tec makes a folding carbine in 9mm and .40 S&W
     
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    Hmmmm

    I kinda figured it this way...

    If you know someone that has both the US Rifle Cal .30 M-1 [The Garand]
    and the US Rifle Cal .30 Carbine M-1 [The War Baby] stand them side by side.

    Or if you are in to Russian Rifles, take something like the Mosin-Nagant 91/30 [Rifle] vs. the Mosin-Nagant M-44 [Carbine]

    Some variants of the famous Mauser 98's had 29" barrels, others had the shorter 22"-24" and could be called carbines.
     
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