What is the best defense cartridge 357 Mag

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Some one asked me this and I started thinking about it.
I have some mid range stuff but hot defense I only have one.
How many do you have, list all specs so we can see.
Never thought of it. Lee
 
Most of what passes for a .357 Magnum these days could benefit from Speer Short Barrel. My bigger guns get the real deal without being some wild Buffalo Bore thing.
 
Two Legged - Factory Remington 125 Grain SJHP
Four Legged - 158 Grain Hard Cast SWC handloaded to original 1935 ballistics (1518 fps from 8.75 inch barrel), and will also work well on two legged in a pinch.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Asking to list all the specs is a bit much. Dozens of manufacturers exist.

What are you thinking about, expansion, penetration, control.

Let's just say most commercial .357s will get the job done
depending on YOUR definition of the defensive job and your ability
to handle a given load.

Usually the recommended gunzine gurus' load is something with a 125 grain bullet.
 
Hornady 125 XTP and 296, only because I can't find any 2400, CCI Mag primers. Same powder and gold dot 125. coin toss between these two. Don't hunt with a 357 so no input! Note 296 has a very small operating window.
 
Do you really think there is a bad .357 Magnum load? :D The energy produced by the .357 will usually make up for any shortcoming in bullet choice for SD. Hunting is a different story. I'm not talking about short barrel loads that throw a light 135gr bullet @990 fps. :neener:

When I do carry a .357 Magnum for SD I load it with Winchester 145gr Silvertip ammo because that ammo is scary accurate in my S&W M640.
 
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Barnes 125grn XPB 14.7grns VVN110 small rifle prime.

Not a huge amount of blast and flash, and those XPB's expand beautifully!

About 1350fps from a 4in Service Six, controllable, easy followup.
I use these in my 2.25 sp101, great round.
 
I like 158 gr Speer Gold Dots for the woods, cuz they hit hard and are accurate. 125's for rural environments. Urban, I typically carry 38+p of some kind.

I like Hornady ammo too for its accuracy.
 
Clint Smith once said, and I am paraphrasing; " If it says
.357 on one end and has a hole on the other, you'll be
fine. " A few months ago I did some field testing; not very
scientific, but was fun and settled some debate. The
firearm was a S&W 640. The loads tested were as
follows :
Magtech .357 Mag 158 gr. SJHP
Rem. .357 Mag 125 gr. SJHP
WIN. .357 Mag 110 gr. SJHP
Rem. .38 Spl. +p 158 gr. LSWCHP
Rem. .38 Spl. +p 125 gr. Golden Saber
Target: One gallon water jugs @ 5 ft.
I know, not very scientific , but interesting. Penetration
was about the same; 3 jugs, .357 Mag generating way
more energy and force by moving the whole row of
water jugs. The Win. 110 grn load only penetrated 2
jugs and flattened out like a dime. The Magtech load
having a text book mushroom intact. The Rem. .357
Mag. 125 SJHP did not hold up well, plenty of jacket
seperation . The Rem. .38 Spl 125 gr. Golden Saber
was a perfect mushroom, totally intact. The .357 performs
way better out of a 4" barrel. If I were carrying a snubby
I would carry the Golden Sabers in .38spl .
Just wanted to share.

SEMPER FI
 
Love a 357.. for SD just about any bullet is devastating..A good Hollow point and you going to have a great man stopper .. I reloaded a few hundred 180 grain semi wad cutters and from what those things do to steel targets I would not hesitate to carry for protection from bears or boars ..
 
Big fan of the Federal 158gr JSP'S.

The fabeled 357B load (hot 125gr JHP) from Federal is a long proven fight stopper. It puts almost as bad a hurt on K frame forcing cones as it does people.
 
I vote for standard old Remington 125 gr SJHP. But personally I don't think you need a 357 mag for personal protection from humans.
 
I've often wondered about this myself as .357 is the one caliber I can't seem to find any consensus on what is considered the best or one of the best. All I can say is it seems pretty much anything .357 is really freakin' good, but from the countless videos of ballistic gel testing and articles I've read, this is what I've learned:

Anything Winchester .357 is questionable, to me at least. Their white box .357 is the same bullet loaded into their white box .38 Special +P load. Well, that bullet is meant to work at .38+P velocities, not .357 velocity. The bullet fragments into pieces when it hit water while the .38 worked perfectly. The PDX1 .357 expands fine, but the velocity and energy is low for .357; I'm talking a muzzle energy of just under 500 ft-lbs out of a 6 or 8 inch barrel. If you want power in your .357, I think you should look elsewhere.

Almost anything Federal is boss. Most of I've read has only good things to say about Federal .357 ammo. Good energy, good expansion, good penetration, good bullet weight retention. If you can get Federal .357 hollow point ammo for a good price, you will have some good ammo.

Hornady is good too and I think their Critical Defense .357 is absolutely the best for .357 revolvers with 3" barrels or less. I don't know much about their American Gunner .357 load, I don't know it's performence in gel, but I know it's pretty hot load and can be got for $17/25 rd box and often for less than that. If the bullet expands well and retains it's weight, I think it will go down as the best quality, economically priced .357 defense ammo.

Remington is well known, but for both good and bad reasons. I personally have decided to not touch their guns or ammo ever again because of quality and performence issues going back to their acquisition by Freedom Group. Their .357 ammo seems to have jacket separation issues, but their .38 ammo is some of the best in the world. Bottom line on Remington is I think there's better out there for both .357 and .38 ammo.

Speer is good.

Buffalo Bore... well if you gotta kill something, there's nothing wrong with overkilling it! This is the HOTTEST .357 magnum ammunition available in both 125 gr and 158 gr and is loaded with Gold Dot bullets. One shot of Buffalo Bore center mass is going to kill anything in the Western Hemisphere you shoot it at except maybe bears and moose.

This is what I know about the big names in ammunition. The Magtech's, PMC, Aguila, Armscor, etc. are cheaper for a reason. They might work, but they'll never be as good as what I mentioned above.
 
I don't know much about their American Gunner .357 load, I don't know it's performence in gel, but I know it's pretty hot load and can be got for $17/25 rd box and often for less than that. If the bullet expands well and retains it's weight, I think it will go down as the best quality, economically priced .357 defense ammo.

I have also become interested in Hornady American Gunner. There XTP bullet has a excellent reputation and track record. Hornady advertises it at 1,500 fps and at only $17.99 box of 25 is affordable.

I am waiting for Spring so I can do some outdoor testing of it.
 
The Magtech's, PMC, Aguila, Armscor, etc. are cheaper for a reason. They might work, but they'll never be as good as what I mentioned above.

I agree.

A lot of those "budget" brands of .357 are as watered down as they get. Some are just a .38 special in a longer case, as far as I'm concerned.

If I'm going to pay the extra cost of admission for .357 magnum ammo, then it better be hot. I personally stick to the Remington 125 grain SJHP 100 round value packs for practice, and the Federal 357B load for defensive use. Both of the rounds are no-joke heaters. The Remington load is notably less expensive, but very HOT ammo great for training. The more refined Federal 357B (now under the "Personal Defense" moniker) is a great performer in all the tests I've seen, and more importantly, a great performer in the eyes of those who've "seen the elephant" and live to tell the tail.

That load didn't get it's "street cred" for no reason.
 
Federal 357B rarely disappoints. However, my usual carry .357 is an LCR, and in that I prefer something more mid-range, so I load it with Golden Sabers.
 
Keep in mind that the hotter loads will increase recoil, which might be a big deal if you're shooting a snub.
 
I have had many guns pass through my hands but I always keep a .357 Magnum gun. Back in 1971 when I lived in Texas, real men carried a .357 Magnum. The 1911 was somewhat popular due to guys like me returning from Nam and being familiar with them. However, back then 1911's were very unreliable with JHP ammo without the touch of a good gunsmith.

No doubt that the .357 mag was the King though. Law Enforcement, Local, State and Federal carried them. We carried them in holsters that did not cover the trigger so we could get our fingers on the trigger as fast as possible during the draw. Times have changed.

I have had a .357 magnum as one of my home defense guns since 71. I have a 2.5" Performance center 7 shot 656 one, in my desk at all times. Lately I have grown fond of the Federal .327 magnum. Good performance but less recoil plus I can also shoot all the other variations of the .32 caliber ammo. H&R Magnums have very little recoil and are great for those days when my tendons in my arm or nerves in my hand are acting up so that just holding the gun is painful.

If they pass open carry this year, my snubnose .357 will be my carry gun. It weighs a lot more than a J-Frame and thus absorbs recoil much better. 7 rounds of .357 mag. is comforting to me.
 
Fuggitttabout ANY handloaded ammo for defensive use, period. Remington 125 gr SJHP is the load to beat in the 357 Magnum (it is THE load with the most police 'street cred', BTW).
 
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