What is to "possess in or affecting commerce" of 18U.S.C.922(g)?

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Under 19 U.S.C.922(g) it is illegal for certain bad guys, e.g. felons, "to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm
or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or
foreign commerce."

What the heck is "to..possess in or affecting commerce?"

Whole statute is here:
http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/44/922
 
I know about the case whuich said it was okay to prohibit a farmer from growing his own wheat for his own use.

Is "possess . . . in interstate commerce" the same as "possess"?

I just found this, key holding is: "We conclude that in order to satisfy the interstate commerce element of § 922(g), the prosecution need only make the de minimis showing that the possessed firearm previously traveled in interstate commerce."

Is this still good law?


UNITED STATES COURT OF APPEALS


FOR THE SECOND CIRCUIT



No. 1217--August Term, 1998




(Argued: January 13, 1999 Decided: January 29, 1999 )




Docket No. 98-1384




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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,



Appellee ,





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JONATHAN PALOZIE,



Defendant-Appellant .


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B e f o r e:JACOBS and SOTOMAYOR, Circuit Judges , and SAND, District Judge . 1


The defendant, a previously convicted felon, appeals from a judgment of the United States District Court for the District of Connecticut (Covello, Ch. J.) adjudging him guilty of possessing a firearm in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1) (1994). Defendant contends on appeal ( inter alia ) that his possession did not "affect[] commerce" within the meaning of the statute because the possession of the firearm did not have a "substantial effect" on interstate commerce, and that the jury should have been instructed that such effect was required for conviction.

Affirmed.


GERALD E. BODELL, New York, NY (Craig A. Raabe, Scott E. Perry, Robinson & Cole LLP, Hartford, CT, on the brief), for Defendant-Appellant .



JEFFREY A. MAYER, Assistant United States Attorney, New Haven, CT (Stephen C. Robinson, United States Attorney, District of Connecticut, on the brief), for Appellee .






PER CURIAM :

Defendant Jonathan Palozie was convicted by a jury in the United States District Court for the District of Connecticut (Covello, Ch. J.) for possession of a firearm in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 922(g)(1) (1994), which provides, in relevant part, that it is unlawful for any person "who has been convicted in any court of[] a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year . . . to . . . possess in or affecting commerce , any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce." (emphasis added). The jury was charged that the government could carry its burden with respect to the interstate commerce element of the possession offense by, among other things, proving beyond a reasonable doubt that "the firearm allegedly possessed by the Defendant had at some time previously traveled across a state line."

On appeal, Palozie raises a score of issues, most of which are insubstantial. We affirm as to all issues, and write only to address the defendant's claim that , with respect to § 922(g)(1)'s "affecting commerce" element, the district court erred by not instructing the jury that in order to convict, it had to find that his possession of the firearm had a "substantial effect" on interstate commerce.


DISCUSSION

In Scarborough v. United States , 431 U.S. 563, 575 , 97 S. Ct. 1963, 1969 (1977), the Supreme Court--construing a statutory predecessor of § 922(g)(1)--concluded that the prosecution could carry its burden of showing the requisite interstate commerce element by proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the firearm previously had traveled in interstate commerce. Notwithstanding the holding in Scarborough , the defendant contends that the district court should have informed the jury that with respect to the interstate commerce element of § 922(g)(1), the prosecution (having failed, according to Palozie, to offer evidence that the firearm was "in" commerce) was required to establish that the possession of the firearm had a "substantial effect" on interstate commerce. In support, the defendant attempts to distinguish § 922(g)(1) from its predecessor provision.

Scarborough construed Title VII of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act of 1968, Pub. L. No. 90-351, 82 Stat. 197, 236-37 (1968), which made it illegal, among other things, for a felon to "`receive[], possess[], or transport[] in commerce or affecting commerce . . . any firearm.'" Scarborough , 431 U.S. at 564 , 97 S. Ct. at 1964 (quoting Title VII) (emphasis added). The defendant in Scarborough argued that this wording meant that the interstate commerce nexus had to be "`contemporaneous' with the possession" of the firearm, and that Title VII therefore proscribed "`only crimes with a present connection to commerce.'" Id. at 568, 97 S. Ct. at 1966. The defendant compared the wording of Title VII with the wording in Title IV of the same Act, 1 which made it illegal for a convicted felon to receive a firearm that had "`been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.'" Id. at 569, 97 S. Ct. at 1966 (quoting Title IV). Scarborough argued that the present perfect tense in Title IV demonstrated that Congress, if it chose, could specify when a possession offense is based on a firearm that "ha previously traveled in commerce," and that Congress's "failure to use that language in [Title VII] must mean that it wanted to reach only ongoing transactions." Id.

The Supreme Court saw as the "essential difficulty" with Scarborough's position that the comparison of the two statutes was "not very meaningful." Id. The Court attributed the difference in wording to the quality of drafting: "Title VII was a last-minute amendment to the Omnibus Crime Control Act enacted hastily with little discussion and no hearings," id. , while Title IV was "a carefully constructed package of gun control legislation" in which tenses were "chosen with care," id. at 570, 97 S. Ct. at 1966. Relying in part on the fact that Title VII contained the term "affecting commerce," the Court saw "no indication" that in passing Title VII, "Congress intended to require any more than the minimal nexus that the firearm have been, at some time, in interstate commerce." Id. at 575, 97 S. Ct. at 1969.

As Palozie contends, the statute he was convicted of violating differs from the statute at issue in Scarborough . The current § 922(g)(1)--a successor to the statute construed in Scarborough --resulted from the passage, in 1986, of the Firearm Owners' Protection Act, Pub. L. No. 99-308, §§ 102, 104(b), 100 Stat. 449, 451-53, 459 (1986). Even after passage of that Act, however, this Court has invoked the holding in Scarborough to rule that under § 922(g)(1), "`proof that the possessed firearm previously traveled in interstate commerce is sufficient to satisfy the statutorily required nexus between the possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and commerce.'" United States v. Sorrentino , 72 F.3d 294, 296 (2d Cir. 1995) (quoting Scarborough , 431 U.S. at 564 , 97 S. Ct. at 1964); see also United States v. Garcia , 94 F.3d 57, 65 (2d Cir. 1996) ("t is sufficient to sustain a conviction under § 922(g) that the government prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the firearm previously had traveled in interstate commerce.").

Cases such as Sorrentino and Garcia notwithstanding, the defendant advances the new argument that because the wording of Title VII and Title IV were brought together and restated when Congress adopted the Firearm Owners' Protection Act, Congress "obliterated the reasoning in Scarborough that the differences in verb tenses and language between the `possession provision,' i.e. , the former Title VII, and the `receipt provision,' i.e. , the former Title IV, were simply the result of a hasty and careless legislative process."
Section 922(g) (as noted above) makes it illegal for certain unqualified persons "to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce." 18 U.S.C. § 922(g) (1994)(emphasis added). Palozie maintains that the adjacent use of different wordings indicates congressional intent to give each phrase a distinct meaning. It is therefore evident, to Palozie, "that the phrase `affecting' interstate commerce for the purpose of § 922(g) requires more than the de minimis nexus of a single interstate transfer of the firearm."

We disagree. When Congress used the term "affecting commerce" in the Firearm Owners' Protection Act, it used a term that had been authoritatively construed. The later substitution of new language might have suggested an intent to achieve a change in substance; but the use of the same language--in essentially the same context--carried with it the meaning that the Supreme Court had previously given it. See Lorillard v. Pons , 434 U.S. 575, 581 , 98 S. Ct. 866, 870 (1978) ("[W]here

. . . Congress adopts a new law incorporating sections of a prior law, Congress normally can be presumed to have had knowledge of the interpretation given to the incorporated law, at least insofar as it affects the new statute.").

The legislative history of the Firearm Owners' Protection Act confirms what the drafting shows: the intent of Congress was to combine into one section Titles IV and VII of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act. 2 There is no indication that, in passing the Act, Congress was seeking to eliminate the authoritative effect of Scarborough 's interpretation of the phrase "affecting commerce," which is retained in the new statute. The House Judiciary Committee Report recites that the new § 922(g) would apply to the possession of a firearm whose only connection to commerce was the previous crossing of a state line. See H.R. Rep. No. 99- 495, at 23 (1986), reprinted in 1986 U.S.C.C.A.N. 1327, 1349 ("Persons are now unqualified from receiving, possessing or transporting firearms in interstate or foreign commerce or firearms which have been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce if they . . . have been . . . convicted of a felony . . . .").

We conclude that in order to satisfy the interstate commerce element of § 922(g), the prosecution need only make the de minimis showing that the possessed firearm previously traveled in interstate commerce.


CONCLUSION

We have carefully considered the defendant's remaining arguments on appeal, and we find them to be without merit. The judgment of the district court is affirmed.


FOOTNOTES

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The Honorable Leonard B. Sand of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York, sitting by designation.

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"The provisions of Title IV of the Omnibus Crime Control Act were re-enacted later that year without relevant change in the Gun Control Act of 1968, 82 Stat. 1213." Scarborough , 431 U.S. at 569 n.8, 97 S. Ct. at 1966 n.8.

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See H.R. Rep. No. 99-495, at 23 (1986), reprinted in 1986 U.S.C.C.A.N. 1327, 1349 ("This section also combines in one section (18 U.S.C. 922(g)) all of the offenses related to sale of firearms to unqualified persons, and offenses of receipt, possession and transport of firearms by unqualified persons (or their employees) now divided between [Title IV of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act] (18 U.S.C. § 922(d), (g) and (h)) and Title VII of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act (18 U.S.C. 1202(a) and (b)[)].").
 
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The government is only required to prove the firearm and/or ammunition at some point traveled in or affected interstate commerce. The easiest way to do this is to prove the firearm or ammunition crossed state lines at some point.

For example, a gun manufactured in Connecticut recovered from a previously convicted felon in Florida. It had to travel in or affect interstate commerce because at some point the firearm left Connecticut and ended up in Florida. It is easy for the prosecution to contact the manufacturer who can provide records/testimony that the gun was not manufactured in Florida.
 
Or the plastic used in the handgrips was made in another state, or the iron in the steel the slide was made from was mined in another state...or...or...or...it goes on and on, get the point? :scrutiny: :cuss: :fire: :banghead:
 
Interstate Commerce clause =
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Apparently, our highest court thinks that something that did NOT affect interstate commerce, affected interstate commerce by not affecting interstate commerce.
really.
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The bugaboo came into play when the Court decided "regulate" also meant "restrain" or "prohibit". I'm still searching for the ruling from the Court that said that, but it must exist because World Book Encyclopedia makes reference to it.

Anyone got a clue?

Woody
 
That phrase is a magic spell, which goes back to Wickard v. Filburn, used to create jurisdiction for the purpose of "regulating" the topic at hand.

IIRC, there was a case where a statute was struck down as unconstituitional for not having the spell. The next session, congress amended the statute to include the spell, and that made it hunky/dory.
 
The clause is there because the Federal government is only granted the powers described in the Constitution. One of those powers is the regulation of interstate commerce, which over time has been broadened to the point where it is used to regulate almost everything.

The case geek is referring to is United States vs. Lopez which struck down the "Gun-Free School Zones Act." The Court ruled that you couldn't simply say "interstate commerce" and pass any law you like. As a result, Congress passed the law again, this time with findings on the effects on interstate commerce, and the law is still on the books.

Perhaps the best essay on the topic of the Interstate Commerce clause that I've read is this one by Thomas Sowell. It is a great, easy-to-understand article that the average person can read and understand in 15 minutes.

If you like more legal minutia, there is also Glenn Reynolds's Kids, Guns and the Commerce Clause
 
That phrase is a magic spell, which goes back to Wickard v. Filburn, used to create jurisdiction for the purpose of "regulating" the topic at hand.

It does go back to Wickard v Filburn, but has increased in scope through new logic since then.
Filburn was a farmer who entered into a contract with the government to be given several times what his crop was actually worth in the form of subsidies. The only requirement was that he only grow a specific limited amount per year.
Filburn broke that contract with the US, growing additional that he claimed was outside the scope of that contract because it was for personal use.

That is very different than interpreting it simply to mean the government could regulate anyone growing anything.


Since then there was things like United States v Lopez, where the original federal Gun Free School Zone Act was voted 5-4 to not be within the scope of the commerce clause.
(Congress then remade the law with just a couple new words in it, believing that made it consistent with the court.)

There was also United States v Morrison, which dealt with a law that allowed anyone a victim of a gender based crime to sue in Federal Court.
The court determined that was totally outside the scope of commerce, and so beyond the authority of the Federal government.



The real major modern expansion of federal power happened in Gonzales v Raich.
Which has a couple different legal arguments that bring everything and anything within the scope of federal jurisdiction. One of them specifically made as a catch all by Scalia himself (who is seen as a hero in Heller.)
Essentially under Raich there is absolutely nothing that is not within the scope of the Federal authority unless the government specifically says that one thing is outside the scope of federal authority.
The logic in the decision can be applied to anything within the United States to regulate and control it, thereby giving federal authority, and meaning the Federal government now can make a law controlling anything they wish.

In fact under the Raich decision logic is is entirely likely that United States v Lopez would have had the opposite result.

In Raich something which is not part of interstate or even intrastate commerce, never is to be sold, and uses only materials from within the the state solely for private use is still subject to the commerce clause.
That just by not being a part of commerce in any way, it has an affect on commerce, because the individual will never need to buy what they are making themselves.
Imagine that, it effects commerce purely by having nothing to do with commerce.

The impact of this Raich logic was soon applied to firearms in a case out of the 9th District. A man in Arizona who had was charged with a completely homemade NFA firearm was found to be beyond the scope of Federal authority by the 9th District, and it made its way to the Supreme Court.
The supreme court sent it back to the 9th district and told them to essentially reverse their decision, "in light of Raich".
This case was United States v Stewart, though it is officially just a 9th District decision, but is in fact a Supreme Court decision because it is they who told them to reverse their earlier decision, and exactly how and why they should.
So the Supreme Court said Raich specifically gives the authority to regulate anything, and are well aware of that.
Even a homemade firearm in no way connected to any trade at all is still under the authority of the feds.


There is no gun not subject to federal law as a result.

Even one you make in your garage out of ore from your backyard.
 
What the heck is "to..possess in or affecting commerce?"

When I served on a federal grand jury, we indicted lots of people for violations of 18USC922. We were told that any gun that had crossed a state line qualified. All the prosecution had to do was show that the gun had been found in a different state from its manufacture.
 
DaveBeal said:
When I served on a federal grand jury, we indicted lots of people for violations of 18USC922. We were told that any gun that had crossed a state line qualified. All the prosecution had to do was show that the gun had been found in a different state from its manufacture.

It would really be nice if the government applied the interstate commerce clause with as much zeal to 18 USC 926a as they do to 18 USC 922. How come it doesn't work both ways?

In order to receive the protection of 18 USC 926a a person must be IN interstate travel at that moment. They need to apply the same standard... if the gun or any part of it was ever in interstate commerce at any time, 18 USC 926a applies, period.
 
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