What is your opinion of the shooting death of Actor Brandon Lee?

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It seems strange to me that I have never heard of something like this ever happening on a set either before this, or after.

It's hard to be so foolish. How did no one on the ENTIRE SET realize that the primer (of the "dummy round") has explosive force (at least enough to push a loose bullet from it's casing)? Did they think that some sort of magic ignited the powder inside the cartridge? :scrutiny:
 
You assume that anyone on the set had a real working knowledge of firearms. I'm betting they got their hands on some real firearms, pulled bullets and dumped powder for "dummy rounds" and bought blanks for shooting scenes. No one took responsibillity for safety (obviously).

My one experience on a movie set, the arms master showed me an auto (1911) which used 8mm blanks and had a partially plugged barrel which broke up the wading used to cap the blank. He preferred this type of firearm on set, as it was the least dangerous method of shooting on set.
 
I would want to use something like 'Plug-Fire Cartridge' guns if I were in the movie business. So long as the audio (Foley?) guys do their work it should come out alright.
 
Another mistake I read about this was the gunman was suppose to shoot off to the side of Brandon....Don't ask me where I read it though...but the source said this is practiced so that the muzzle blast, or even if a bullet is in the gun it wouldn't strike the person...this was not followed either. Brandon was struck in the stomach an died I believe 4 days later. The gun handler was to blame because he never examined the barrel to make sure it was clear... he failed at his job...but I think if I was an actor...ha..I wouldn't trust anyone pointing a gun at me..."I'll check that for myself if you please before you fire it at me....an you better aim off to my side when pulling that trigger too."
 
I'm betting they got their hands on some real firearms, pulled bullets and dumped powder for "dummy rounds" and bought blanks for shooting scenes. No one took responsibillity for safety (obviously).

That is what happened. The set had 2 versions of rounds. One set was constructed starting with live bullets that were purchased at a local store. The props dept pulled the bullets, dumped the powder, and put the bullets back in. The second set were standard blanks.

After a filming session, a prop dept crew member (not an arms master) was putting the gun back in a case. The revolver was fired to drop the hammer (with a live-primer round) and the bullet lodged in the barrel. The crew member didn't check the barrel for obstruction... he probably assumed the noise was just a blank going off.

When the next scene was to be filmed, the props dept guy retrieved the gun and loaded the blank rounds - which ultimately pushed the bullet out.

I've read conflicting reports on whether an Arms Master was part of the production. Some reports fail to mention one at all. Others say that the set DID have one, but he had been sent home that day to save on costs, and thus wasn't present to properly supervise the props dept's handing and safety checking of the weapons.

Brandon was struck in the stomach an died I believe 4 days later.

He actually only lived for about 12 hours.

thorn
 
My opinion is that Hollywood consistently breaks the gun safety commandments during the production of their movies. At some point someone is bound to get hurt.

One more reason my dollars don't purchase their products. Hollywood has been giving guns a bad name nearly since it's inception.
 
Thanks thorn...I didn't know he only lived for 12 hours afterward. I had read somewhere differently, but that was awhile back.
 
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The footage of his death was destroyed without being developed.

How was this possible, as it would have certainly been of interest to investigators?
 
The production did hire a profesional to supervise the filming involving firearms. They were especially concerned about the scene where Lee takes multiple automatic weapon hits. The scene was filmed a day or two before the fatal accident and, once that scene was done, someone decided they no longer needed the pro to supervise the firearms as there was only one small scene left to shoot that involved firearms. We all know what happened next.
 
Another mistake I read about this was the gunman was suppose to shoot off to the side of Brandon....Don't ask me where I read it though...but the source said this is practiced so that the muzzle blast, or even if a bullet is in the gun it wouldn't strike the person...this was not followed either. Brandon was struck in the stomach an died I believe 4 days later. The gun handler was to blame because he never examined the barrel to make sure it was clear... he failed at his job...but I think if I was an actor...ha..I wouldn't trust anyone pointing a gun at me..."I'll check that for myself if you please before you fire it at me....an you better aim off to my side when pulling that trigger too."
I used to work in props for theater, though not for film. Anyways, I once worked a show where flintlock pistols were fired onstage. The actors in the shooting scene worked side-by-side with the arms master (and I looked over their shoulders, of course) so that they could in fact check their own weapons. They were taught how to load/unload the pistols, and care for them. They were also instructed to shoot at each other, but off to the side (as you said). The process made me feel very safe about having the firearms around (they were, in fact, fully real flintlock pistols, purchased new for the production, definitely capable of harming another if proper procedures were not followed).

The rest of the cast knew next to nothing about the weapons, their operation, or how to know if they were safe. I will say, though, that many of the guys in the cast were interested in them...and the arms master was cool enough to gather everyone interested around, and explained to them about basic gun safety and specifically how to get the flintlock pistol to the "safe area" and secure it until it could be rendered safe by him (in event of an emergency/problem etc with the actors or "shooters"). He even let anyone who was interested fire the pistol (blank charge, of course), to appease anyone's curiosity...including mine :)

We had a hang fire one night (out of a run of a few weeks). I was working under the stage, arranging props for the next act, when i heard an actor yell, "BANG!" and the audience kind of nervously laughed. Immediately I cleared a path under the stage from the exit to the gun "safe area" (a niche built under the stage, with an extremely thick walled box that the gun could be set inside and locked up - i believe the barrel pointed at the concrete wall of the theater itself). Well, the actor was doing what he was told to do - he pulled the trigger, there was a flash in the pan, but no "FWOOM!" from the barrel...not a great situation to be in live on stage! So, the actor yelled, "BANG!" and the scene halted, the actor pointed the gun directly up (the only safe direction as it was a thrust/3-sided audience stage) and walked off down the pre-designated exit ramp, past me holding the other actors back (some of whom had no idea what was going on, but obliged my pushing) and locked the hang-fire pistol in the safe area. Then the show went on. I was reeeeally nervous until the arms master got the thing unloaded. I'll bet he was, too! The arms master during early rehearsals would have the actors say bang, and occasionally just say "hang fire" and they'd do the drill. I'm so glad they did.

The tragedy that befell Brandon Lee was a series of unfortunate events and ignorance that culminated in him losing his life. It sucks that it ended up being the son of someone with such an amazing life, who'd just begun his own film career. As a former propmaster, I can say without a doubt that I would never have accepted the responsiblity of real firearms on the set without an arms master present at all times. Even if i were hurting for a paycheck, i'd be hurting a lot more when some tragedy like this happened on my watch...because my services sure wouldn't be much in demand then. I could see them making dummy bullets, but man they should have just removed them from the gun after the scene :(
 
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I should probably explain too, though I would guess for most of you I wouldn't have to :p

A hang fire with a flintlock means that the sparks flew into the barrel, but the charge didn't ignite - the problem being that there very well could be some powder smoldering but the full charge hasn't gone off....so it could go off unexpectedly at any time. That was why it was so important to get that pistol off the stage, maintaining a safe direction while doing it, and get it unloaded.
 
The footage of his death was destroyed without being developed.

How was this possible, as it would have certainly been of interest to investigators?

The film was developed, and handed over to the authorities. It is reported to have been destroyed once the investigation and subsequent legal actions were completed.

thorn
 
61 chalk brought up another point I was going to make about the actor aiming the weapon.

Why in Gods name would anyone aim a gun {prop, or not} at a vital area? I mean, Ive seen some of these actors in gun related movies before this one so they surely would have been told this at some time in their acting career.

Also, even being a low budget movie this kind of accident doesn't make sense. There have been many low budget films made with guns waaay before this one.

To me there were just too many things that HAD to go wrong for this to happen. Also I read on another website when getting information for this post, that the reason Brandon's mother choose the settlement was that if there were a trial the film would be used over and over, and she just couldn't take that.

However, she did have the film destroyed after the settlement was over.

ALSO A RUMOR - this has not been able to confirmed - the reason for the destroying of the film was not only out of respect for the Lee family and Brandon but also to force the film company to use other footage. They had planned on using as much of the footage as possible to finish the scene - when they had to destroy the film that is why the character Eric is not shot in the final version of the film, yet first stabbed (knife thrown by Tin-Tin) and then
shot. The reason rumor flew of the footage being used is due to the close up of Funboys gun - it was that shot shown in the film where the projectile that killed Brandon got stuck in the gun - so you are, in a way, seeing the shot that killed him."
 
I wondered after the incident if in fact it was an accident, negligence or murder. After reading these posts, I still wonder...............
 
I think that it is bad practice to allow functioning guns on stage sets at all. Unfortunately, there don't seem to be enough realistic replicas to keep the Jerry Bruckheimers of the industry happy. So instead, we have a system of using real guns and double-checking to make them safe, with industry armorers rigging them to fire blanks more realistically. I think that the Lee incident was an example of loose control over safety procedures. On the set there should be a master armorer who checks EVERY weapon, EVERY time.

A year ago in St. George, UT, there was a death of a student when they were sloppy with safety and supervision using a real gun in a high school play. I SAY, if you MUST produce "Oklahoma!" and you MUST have a gun that goes bang for the scenes with Judd and Curly, either spring to rent or buy stage guns, or just use cap guns and live with it. Having grown up in theater and music, I am asked occasionally how to handle using real guns as stage guns, and I always reply; "Don't."

A few years ago, my guard unit wanted to practice rushes for training. It was snow-in conditions outside, so we decided to practice indoors. We issued rifles, and no blank adapters. I objected to the First Sergeant, (I was the new guy in the unit at the time,) I said this is how accidents happen. He thought about it for a second, and told the supply guy to hand out blank adapters. Some of the guys asked me why, and I told them that unless the rifles were disabled and MARKED as disabled, they were not safe, and if we ran around the gym clicking at each other, we were repeatedly breaking all four safety rules. He asked what I thought would make it safe enough. I told him we should remove the BCGs from the rifles, and use BFAs to mark them as inert. And that even this was a cheap substitute for issuing dummy rifles. Ever since then, I have had a reputation for being THAT guy, the one who yells at everyone for always following all of the rules.

You know what? It's a title I can live with.
 
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