What keeps a .454 Casull out of a .410 gun?
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wildehond
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Chamber pressure and recoil. 
gennro
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Whats he said and a lot of pain.
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What keeps a .454 Casull out of a .410 gun?
The right genes to prevent a catastrophe.
The right genes to prevent a catastrophe.
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Not to encourage anyone but the youtube videos show the 410 digesting some pretty serious ammo in the 454 and 444 without visible harm to the gun. The Kboom happens with packed unknown powder which depending on what type or blend would almost be inevitable.
They also run 50BMG through a 12 ga without incident.
They also run 50BMG through a 12 ga without incident.
BCRider
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Just... wow..... Really?
The only thing separating the two guys in that video from winning a Darwin Award was the long cable that allowed a remote release. What a sad ending for that innocent gun.
The only thing separating the two guys in that video from winning a Darwin Award was the long cable that allowed a remote release. What a sad ending for that innocent gun.
The .454 Casull has a SAAMI PSI of 65,000 PSI.
The .410 2.5" has a limit of 12,500 PSI, and the 3" a limit of 13,500 PSI.
That is over 5x the pressure.
The difference is even greater if you compare proof loads.
Guns are designed with these pressure limitations in mind, with some margin for error, wear, and minor variation.
Stuffing a cartridge that operates at 5x the pressure should blow up your gun. The real surprise is if it takes more than one round to do it and the gun is that robust beyond its intended pressure.
Taurus does put out a gun that can use all three. In designing such a firearm it must always be built capable of withstanding the highest pressure of the cartridge it is sold as being able to chamber.
That means their .454 judge that must be built capable of digesting .454 Casull operating at 65,000 PSI, and probably a steady diet if they make a reliable reputable gun, would not be phased by a constant diet of .410.
In fact I have wanted to see just what a 50,000+PSI shotgun load would do in one of those handguns (staying at a lower PSI limit because shotloads have more variation in friction and pressure between loads because the shot moves around.) Loading such loads in .454 brass of course and not .410 hulls.
The .454 capable judge is the only one I would consider buying myself, with that high of a pressure ceiling you could make some cool loads. You could probably get long gun shotgun performance from a handgun with that pressure making up for the shorter barrel.
However in California they are illegal short barreled shotguns.
Regular .45 colt is closer to the .410 at 14,000 PSI. However it is still over and safety dictates you stay under the PSI the firearm you are using was designed for. Some .45 colt is also loaded to higher PSI and would be more dangerous.
The .410 2.5" has a limit of 12,500 PSI, and the 3" a limit of 13,500 PSI.
That is over 5x the pressure.
The difference is even greater if you compare proof loads.
Guns are designed with these pressure limitations in mind, with some margin for error, wear, and minor variation.
Stuffing a cartridge that operates at 5x the pressure should blow up your gun. The real surprise is if it takes more than one round to do it and the gun is that robust beyond its intended pressure.
Taurus does put out a gun that can use all three. In designing such a firearm it must always be built capable of withstanding the highest pressure of the cartridge it is sold as being able to chamber.
That means their .454 judge that must be built capable of digesting .454 Casull operating at 65,000 PSI, and probably a steady diet if they make a reliable reputable gun, would not be phased by a constant diet of .410.
In fact I have wanted to see just what a 50,000+PSI shotgun load would do in one of those handguns (staying at a lower PSI limit because shotloads have more variation in friction and pressure between loads because the shot moves around.) Loading such loads in .454 brass of course and not .410 hulls.
The .454 capable judge is the only one I would consider buying myself, with that high of a pressure ceiling you could make some cool loads. You could probably get long gun shotgun performance from a handgun with that pressure making up for the shorter barrel.
However in California they are illegal short barreled shotguns.
Regular .45 colt is closer to the .410 at 14,000 PSI. However it is still over and safety dictates you stay under the PSI the firearm you are using was designed for. Some .45 colt is also loaded to higher PSI and would be more dangerous.
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Yeeeeeeee-ikes! No way, José to a .454 in a .410.
As to the mechanical question as to prevent dropping one in, don't believe there is anything physically stopping a .454 from being chambered. Nonetheless, this is not something anyone should do. :banghead:
As to the mechanical question as to prevent dropping one in, don't believe there is anything physically stopping a .454 from being chambered. Nonetheless, this is not something anyone should do. :banghead:
WardenWolf
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One thing to remember is that you're not going to have as much pressure firing out of a smoothbore as with a rifled barrel. You'll achieve greater velocity but have much less peak pressure. Not defending what the idiots are doing, but it does help explain why it doesn't just blow up.
YankeeFlyr
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Yeah what a waste of a good gun.
Yes. These two gentlemen, funny as they occasionally can be, are proof that darwinism is not foolproof. Like Typhoid Mary, there simply are some who seem to be highly resistant to otherwise fatal maladies.What keeps a .454 Casull out of a .410 gun?
The right genes to prevent a catastrophe.
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That thing between your two ears isn't just for hanging your hat, use it!
This is a perfect example of people becoming dependent on the Government to keep them safe. If a gun is chambered for the .45 Colt that's what you should use and you shouldn't need something to keep you from doing what you shouldn't!
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CAUTION: The following post includes loading data beyond currently published maximums for this cartridge. USE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Neither the writer, The High Road, nor the staff of THR assume any liability for any damage or injury resulting from use of this information.
I have shot some 454 double loads in a Stevens OEM break action single shot shot gun.
40 gr H110 405 gr .985" 405 gr .458" hard cast 2.1" OAL
And many others.
Of course the chamber cannot be harmed.
But the choke did split with 48 gr H110 230 gr FMJ .452".. the choke was .385" and slit and was .395" and the front sight was gone.
What does it all mean?
A Freedom Arms or Taurus or Ruger 454 will be blown to pieces with loads that the .410 can take.
It is a question of chamber wall thickness, the pin in double shear, and the breech face section modulus. I could see it could take it, so I paid $50, took it home and overloaded it.
I have shot some 454 double loads in a Stevens OEM break action single shot shot gun.
40 gr H110 405 gr .985" 405 gr .458" hard cast 2.1" OAL
And many others.
Of course the chamber cannot be harmed.
But the choke did split with 48 gr H110 230 gr FMJ .452".. the choke was .385" and slit and was .395" and the front sight was gone.
What does it all mean?
A Freedom Arms or Taurus or Ruger 454 will be blown to pieces with loads that the .410 can take.
It is a question of chamber wall thickness, the pin in double shear, and the breech face section modulus. I could see it could take it, so I paid $50, took it home and overloaded it.
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Brains.
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Common sense.
Sport45
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Yeah, but the .50 BMG isn't going to develop anywhere near that much pressure with a .50 bullet in a 12 gauge bore.
But you'll still never see me trying it.
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R.W.Dale
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I'm doubtful it would headspace on the extractor solid enough to even go off from a firing pin designed to set off soft shotgun primers
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