What Makes A Good Dove Gun?...

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Dave McCracken

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I've fielded a couple queries from neophyte hunters on this lately via E mail.

One query included a list of shotguns and asked me to pick the best for a total stranger under conditions that can vary widely.Oi vay!...

Here's what I've pretty much standardized as a response for these for your enterainment and elucidation.....

The biggest factor in making a Good Dove Gun is being a Good Dove Gunner.

While clays and foresight can help, the best way to become a GDG is to shoot lots of doves. Make that shoot AT lots of doves.

One reason most of us bite the big enchilada in the fields is we don't get enough practice, and the season starts before we do much of any other hunting.

Dove season is our reality check as to how good we are.

A couple things, besides a month in Argentina at an estancia, that can help are.....

Familiarity with the shotgun. Even if you've owned it for decades, mileage is more crucial than longevity. If you've put some wear marks on Ol Trusty Rusty since 4 July, great. if not, go do so. If so, go do it more. Nowhere is BA/UU/R more apt.

Go shoot it. Trap straightaways are good, so are hard angles and quartering shots.Skeet also.

Incomers, from slowpokes to screamers are terrific for helping polish the moves.

Wobble is excellent, especially if you move the posts and shoot from non standard places. Nothing aids focus like a shot angle you've not seen for a while. Or ever....

Of course, do this from low gun. Dry mounting at home helps.

If you have access to a tower like good SC ranges have, stand directly under the flight path and take them coming in. Then, turn around and take them going away. When most are busted nicely, step 10 feet or so to the side and do it again. Keep moving.

Alas, no clay disc can imitate the hesitant, juking, gyring dove flight that keeps the ammo companies busy. ZZ birds are a decent attempt, though.

Know the differences between Swing Through, Pull Away and Maintained Lead. A good dove shoot will provide shot opps for each method.

And learn about range. Find out what 40 yards REALLY looks like and adhere to shots inside that. Closer is often better.

As for that Good Dove Gun.....

I've taken shots at doves with every type of shotgun action except lever actions. Any will do, including single shots from Toppers to SBTs.

Avoid the extremes. No 10 gauges, no 410s, no Cylinder chokes, no extra Full Turkey Stranglers. Your gun should be heavy enough to blunt the kick and light enough to wield quickly.

Any shotgun inside those generous parameters that you've run 1K+ shells through this year will do very well.

And try using target loads instead of those $3/box "Dove" loads at the box store. We're after humane, quick kills here and soft, unround shot is a step in the wrong direction.

Doves are hard to hit, easy to kill. Put three hard pellets into the body and they'll be past all pain when they hit the ground.

If you do what's been written here, my guess is you'll do way better on the Opener than the 1/5 ratio of birds to shots that's bandied about as the average.....

HTH, sing out if there's any questions....
 
Only get 2 birds in Ca.in the 10 day first season. I use a Browning BSS 12 ga.28" Mod and Imp cyl. with Win AA ammo. Yes I tried my Citori .410 last year and got skunked. Never happens with the 12 ga.!;)
 
SM - "Ya'll getting birdy ain't cha?"

Oh yeah , ol' dawg, it's gettin close! I can smell it. I bagged out last year on opening day with my old Springfield .410 pump ( hear THAT McCracken, a .410). That was the afternoon flight. This year I'm going to shoot the morning and afternoon flight and see if I can't double bag. If you are not comfortable with the shot, don't take it. Follow thru. Good advice by all above(except the no .410 stuff). Happy hunting and good luck all.

Oh, sorry, question was "What makes a good dove gun?". Anything from an H&R singleshot to a Perrazi(Sp?). IMHO it's really about which shotgun fits you right and you can hit with. A little advice from an expert ( high percentage of hits) dove gunner won't hurt either.
 
"a month in Argentina at an estancia"

Wouldn't that be nice. I don't know about taking a single shot though.

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www.cordobadoves.com.ar
 
Steve, had some doves come in at work. Spent the afternoon figuring leads.

Kayrect, Larry. So is a Polychoked A-5, any number of 870s,27s and 12s, and Ithaca's Supersingle lever gun in 20 gauge, to name a few used by decent dove shooters I've known.

Gordon, I suspect your experiences with the 410 are more common than ves's.

Some folks can use 410s humanely and well for situations where shots are close. Few new shooters are those folks. This was addressed more to new and young shooters than us curmudgeonly types.
 
The most effective "dove gun" I've used is my Browning 425, which also happens to be the one I shoot about 95% of the time. Coincidence? I think not. My favorite "dove loads" are either Remington Nitros (1 oz of #7.5 at 1290fps) or Fiocchi Crushers (1 oz of either #8s or #7.5s at 1300fps). Both of those are what I use when I'm shooting registered targets.

Dave's right about knowing different ways to shoot them. Some give you plenty of time, and others rip by so fast it's hard to believe. I've found that it's easy to shoot in front of the first and behind the second.

Anyway, this year I'm taking my Model 42 out for the opener... but the Browning will be in the truck, just in case.
 
good dove gun=what you shoot well

Dave, THis is a good question....one I hear allot also. A good dove gun for a given shooter is what he shoots best......you are exactly right, aviod the really big stuff and the 410's.......IC to Mod choke is fine......8 or 7.5s. I do always recommend that if a shooter can swing it, but a few boxes of good quality target loads rather that lost leader cheap shells. You hits will be better, kills cleaner, and your gun MUCH cleaner at the end of the day.

Personally, I just got back from a week in Argentina shooting doves and ducks......and I really had a ball shooting a 28ga O/U on doves, so that is what I plan on taking Sept 2nd here for opeing day:)
 
Don't know about a month in Argentina. I spent three days there with five other shooters, we killed a little over 9,200 birds. I brought my Benelli 12 and a Berettta 20, both autos. After the first morning, I used the 20 exclusively. For me it was just the ticket.
 
John, my best guess is there's about 5 cases of hulls in that pic.

TR, if I get into the field this fall, I'll take either Number 6 or Frankenstein. Frank and I have lots of history, 6 and I are making some.

If I didn't mind the weight, I'd use the TB. Lots of rounds behind us also.

Is a trap gun like that a dove gun? Yep, if someone wants it to be.

Will, IMO a 28 gauge makes a lot of sense in Argentina. Little kick, so the high round count won't bother the shooter. Effective, but light to counter the fatigue factor.

Some folks limit themselves on those estancias to 500 rounds a day. I doubt I've fired that much at dove in the last decade..

Good advice about using what you shoot lots with.

xtarheel, that averages out to around 500 a day each. Oi vay!!...
 
we shot doves and ducks.....

Dave,
We shot doucks every morning, and doves in the afternoon. We were usually out for doves about 3-3.5 hours, and I averaged about 750 rounds of 28ga per afternoon:neener: [5 days].

IF I wanted to shoot my best average, and most effective gun, I would take my 32" DT10 that I shoot every week @ Clays.
 
Will, I bet that DT10 would work for you. Use begets familiarity and expertise. And DT10s are very nice shotguns...

750 rounds a day plus some at ducks?! Sounds more like work than fun.

Still, no better way to get better at shooting than by shooting.

A couple guys I know that do the Argentina thing are excellent shots.
 
I might not know a whole bunch about hunting in outher countries, but dove hunting holds a sepcial place in my heart.

1) My B-day is Early Sept, Which is usually around labor day, which is also usually around dove season opening weekend. (its nice to spend 3 days shooting dove) I always get a few boxes of ammo for presents.

2) Where I live, I OWN the prime dove area. I have already shot fron inside my shead and droped them in the back yard. I have already goten on top of my house (that was an excerience, one dove almost hit me)

MY gun/ round combo is my Mossy 500 in 20 g. w/ winchester 7 1/2 heavy game load. For the last 4 years or so I have shot under one box to limit out.
 
I want to see a show of hands please

How many feel a Red Ryder BB Gun / BB Gun in general - would be the best Dove Gun IF :

1. We didn't have to wait for a "season" and could pop these doves in the yard?

2. We didn't have to wait for a "season" and could pop these doves where we plan to park our vehicles on opening day of Dove season?

:D

I counted 17 doves in the yard this morning , and a friend of mine was down where they plan to hunt and "Doves are so thick and they wouldn't scoot over to let us park..."

:p

Of course...we all know a storm brews up to scatter the birds before opening day, and to allow for muddy ruts...

Ah...something about water filled muddy ruts with skeeters swarming , heat and humidity rising, waiting for legal shooting time and w-a-y the way...

"I brought the wrong shells for this shotgun" is heard across the fields....:D
 
A BB gun would work in my backyard around the bird feeder, but I wouldn't have needed a BB gun over the weekend in the Bahamas. A couple of doves landed on our 4th-floor balcony table and stuck their heads into the room through the open sliding door looking for a handout - which they didn't get. They sure looked tame enough to grab by the head and they let me walk right by them for 10 minutes while I was changing clothes.

Hmmm, speaking of doves and Nassau, maybe I need to get an O/U or SxS for dove hunting. Or even one of each. Follow my thinking here: hotel=>casino=>TexasHold'Em=>new dove gun. The hotel was full of doves and the casino was full of pigeons for 3 days. :D

John
 
Remington 870, or a 1100,

How about a Remington 870 pump, or either an 1100 if you prefer a semi-auto type. I like to take two guns when I go dove hunting just in case one gets too hot, or has a problem. You never know.
 
i cant wait for the season to start i feel that the gun really is a trivial thing when you are hunting. Depending on what mood im in ill take one of 3 shotguns none of which ever get shot other then bird hunting. Ill take my old sears roebuck 12 guage, a mossburg 20 guage of my dads, or a remington 870, also my dads. I seem to perform very similarly regardless of which one i carry. The only thing that is a constant when you are dove hunting is... YOUR DAD WILL ALWAYS......ALWAYS OUSHOOT YOU!
 
i love goin huntin with pop. Its just one of those things. I think i had more kills then him once....but that was just because i got real lucky and just before sunset i popped a double with one shot. I talked trash all the way home (playfully of course) The next day we went out and he limeted out and only missed one shot then proceeded to humble me a bit with a bit of trash talk of his own. Good times.......even better memories. Here on the first i get to give him another run for his money.......though im sure ill fail in that attempt.
 
Dave got it right

Dad is just about too old to shoot anymore. Can't raise the gun fast enough to get on them half the time. Too proud to switch to a 20 so it does not about break his feable shoulder.

One day I guess I will be there too. Problem is I do not have any boys to be teaching it to and the girls are really prissy. No killing for those two.

Enjoy it while it lasts.:)
 
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