What Makes a Great Gun Review - Assessment?

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Many of the You Tube videos are awful and little more than the presenter trying to make themselves look good. Others are nothing more than a means for people who don't own a particular gun or perhaps any gun get their vicarious thrills watching someone else fondling and shooting a gun.

Often there is little or no hard information offered on why the gun being "reviewed" offers something other guns do not. Rarely are deficiencies in the gun disclosed, or, conversely, minor issues are blown up to trash a gun far more than it needs to be trashed.

Gun magazines have long had some of the same problems, especially when it came time to offer legitimate criticism of a gun belonging to a manufacturer who advertised in the magazine, or supplied guns to gun writers. All the writers knew, and still do, if they were too critical, the manufacturers would stop suppling guns and perhaps ammo, and the magazines would stop buying their articles.

Experienced gun owners have known for years that Ruger builds high quality tanks, but, in order for those guns to be all they can be, they often need at least one, and maybe more, trips to a gunsmith or considerable fiddling by experienced gun owners with mechanical aptitudes. I have shot SASS and CMSA for years. I spend a fortune on my Rugers, getting them right for competition using Bill Oglesby, a world famous gunsmith in the cowboy shooting world. I had, of course, tried Uberti guns, but was unimpressed. What I did not know until I was about to exit cowboy shooting was that Taylor Arms had Uberti make changes to their guns in quality and features that made them almost equal to many things my customized Rugers offered and for a whole lot less money. Why? No authoritarian articles appearing anywhere to inform me that I might want to check them out.

In my opinion, when someone is going to do a You Tube video, or write a blog, or a magazine article about anything, they should have some credentials for doing so. They should also be committed to discovering and reporting facts instead of their opinions. Recently, a You Tuber did a piece on the Bond Arms Bullpup in which he was lavish in praise (but short on factual material) with an explanation as to why he had trashed virtually the same gun, the Boberg, a year earlier. His explanation had nothing to do with the improvement in the form of a coating negating the need for anti seize grease, but rather the fact that Arnie Boberg had hurt his feelings at the Shot Show and later didn't supply him with a free gun when requested.

One of my real pet peeves, is many of these same people are offering opinions based on something they saw or read, or heard discussed rather than anything based on personal experience or even scientific research.

Do any of you feel the same way? What are the specific points you would like to see covered when people are reporting on guns, optics, ammo, etc.?
 
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I find most Youtube reviews to be 11 minute accounts in need of 8 minutes of editing. Agreed, a lot of factual information, and
objectivity falls upon the alter of self-serving criticism, and many times I feel as though the reviewers just like to hear themselves talk.
OTOH, a good Youtube review can be a wealth of good information, from the POV of an owner, VS somebody just hyping a
product.

Personally, I like a review which starts with basic facts. Then an objective section of pros, and cons, with a summary about how the
person feels about the product, in their experience.
 
I pay absolutely zero attention to gun/gear reviews either in print or on video/ TV. If I want to know about a particular item or gun and can't put my hands on it to judge it for myself I would take the advice of members of THR.
I'm not being sarcastic, I honestly feel the level of knowledge and integrity at THR is a step above other sources.
 
I pay absolutely zero attention to gun/gear reviews either in print or on video/ TV. If I want to know about a particular item or gun and can't put my hands on it to judge it for myself I would take the advice of members of THR.
I'm not being sarcastic, I honestly feel the level of knowledge and integrity at THR is a step above other sources.
I actually do as well. Mainly because there is a back and forth. Statements get challenged and have to be defended. Not to say there is not a lot of BS but you can usually tell. Most Youtube videos I get the impression its about the 5 minutes of action shots starting the video not the content.
 
I prefer first-hand accounts as reviews. I'll more likely accept an opinion from someone who's spent their own money for a gun vs. a reviewer that gets a gun loaned or for free. This holds especially true when a reviewer never has any critical opinions of the firearms they're reviewing.
Yes, I am referring to Gunblast in that last statement. I've read comments that he doesn't say anything negative because he was raised to not say anything if you don't have anything nice to say... blah, blah, blah. I think that's a load of crap. If you're advertising yourself as an expert on firearms and offering reviews of firearms then you have an obligation to also report the negative things that you find about guns you're reviewing- not simply return them to the manufacturer without offering any review whatsoever. Those are fake reviews - nothing more than a paid 3rd party advertisement. An objective reviewer would offer legitimate criticism when appropriate- criticism which the manufacturer could take into account to improve their firearms.
 
The independence of the reviewer matters when reading or watching. If someone is getting revenue from the product they're reviewing, I would say it's less than unbiased. If someone buys a gun with their own money and does a thorough review based on facts, that matters more to me than some chucklehead who receives the newest ABC blaster from XYZ company and proceeds to hype it up.

As with all other media, consider the source and its/their associations.

As for points, I want to know about specs, mechanics and mechanical accuracy and reliability. I'll judge aesthetics and comfort for myself.
 
Honesty. I don't want someone's biased review because they were given a gun by a company for free or they got a cash endorsement. I want to hear what someone likes about a firearm AND doesn't like, and WHY. Anyone can say "I don't like the trigger." Okay, but why? The good reviewers will say "I don't like the trigger because it cuts my finger a little because I have really long fingers." That is useful information. I stopped buying all labels of gun magazines because they all talked about how THIS gun (whatever it is) is the Ultimate next big thing in firearms. When it would just be a generic Glock or clone of one. I read one magazine that called the Canik TP9 the most revolutionary never before seen firing system in history. But it is an exact copy of the Walther P99...

Statistics and measurements. I have become very cerebal in my gun buying. I want to know how long, wide, and heavy a firearm is. I like to know how fast bullet brand X is fired from the gun being reviewed.
 
I have purchased a bad gun due to reading reviews on gun forums and purchased a good gun from reading reviews gun forums. Of all I think gun forums can be the most unbiased reviews of guns. It just took me a little trial and error to get it right.
 
Of all I think gun forums can be the most unbiased reviews of guns.
Aside from some perpetuated myths and conclusions derived from sample size of one, gun forums are by far the best bet. Additionally, they are the best place to find working fixes for common problems; if a gun is somewhat popular and it has a known flaw, someone somewhere has usually found a way around it.

Whenever I'm on market for a new gun (car, truck, etc.) one of the first keywords I search is "[product name] problem(s)", to get an idea what to expect in a worst case scenario and assess whether I want to risk running into issues that may or may not be easy and cheap to fix. The only thing that's even better than forums is a how to -page that gives you a step-by-step instructions how to fix something that will otherwise steer most people away from the product. Some of them are pure genius.

My personal favorites are products that have bad reputation because of something relatively (but not too) simple that can be fixed with just enough effort to deter most people from buying them, keeping their second-hand prices low. "Because everybody knows that they're lemons and you shouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole" :)
 
No review is perfect for everyone as everyone has biases, and we are all built and shoot differently. No review will ever be everything to everyone, and I, too have bought guns based on reviews and hated them.

You guys are right that many mag writers and editors softball reviews when ad dollars may be at stake. I still subscribe to many publications however, as I do like to see what's out there, what it looks like, etc. I do compare reviews, plus I read THR or The Truth About Guns, subscribe to Gun Tests, etc.

I like to read or watch reviews that have real folks handling and shooting guns I can buy myself, and what they really feel about the looks, feel, shootability, etc. The person reviewing doesn't have to be Tactical Ted the Operation Enduring Freedom multi-kill sniper, Grizzly Gus the bitter gun-shop lurker, nor does it need to be Waldo the millennial Know-it-all who plays Call of Duty every afternoon while fondling his Glock.

Just a real review from a real person with no agenda works for me! ;)
 
Whenever I'm on market for a new gun (car, truck, etc.)
It amazes me that nobody ever comes back in the shop to ask the techs which cars are good or bad. We have no real interest in if you buy it or not, and, generally, have a strong disdain for the Sales Department. Car salesmen create all kinds of problems which waste our time, from not explaining the cars' features to misrepresenting the warranties.
When there are a half-dozen late models in the shop with their engines hanging from chains, that should tell you something.
Want to know if a car or gun is a good one? Ask a tech.
 
Now we are going well with lots of suggestions. So, here are a few of mine.

I like it when there are accurate size and weight measurements that are truly complete;
I like it when the trigger design is accurately described and trigger pulls are accurately measured. If there are set triggers or staged triggers I like comprehensive information;
- I like it when the firearm is tested for accuracy with at least five factory loads from a bench rest and then in a real world manner;
- If we are discussing semi auto long guns intended for protection, I wish they would measure and record the rate of cycle and if the system makes second shots more difficult and if so how;
- I would also like handgun recoil measured and accurately described with comparisons to other similar handguns; (example: the recoil from a SA XDs .45 has interesting recoil in that it pushes more straight back than a Glock which has more muzzle flip, thus, at least in my hands, makes repeat shots measurably quicker. It would be interesting to test this with five or more shooters to see if this is a repeatable fact or more individualized.)
- With handguns, it would be of value to measure time and accuracy on moving targets with several different shooters;
- Comparisons using several different shooters with similar guns and all of the above and more would be valuable; ( I once participated in a comparison of a Colt Python and a S&W Model 19 using about a dozen different ammos led by a well known gun writer and the information gathered was complicated but of real value. Choosing which gun ended up depending on ammo selection and exactly how the gun was to be used.)

There are a lot more things you may think of that I have missed.
 
I definitely prefer a written review over a video review. What I do like videos for is showing a procedure, like disassembly or takedown, or close ups of the gun being fired. Closeups can show me ejection patterns, muzzle blast, muzzle flip, etc.

Many videos tend to waste my time. Too much introduction theatrics, too much oft repeated history of the gun in question, too much time spent too far from the gun. And please don't waste my time "unboxing" it.

If I do want a video history of a gun, I'll go find that source at a place like Forgotten Weapons.

I guess I'm a curmudgeon. If I were new to firearms in general, I'd watch the videos more.
 
guys the key to just about everything in life is filtering your sources. listen to what people say and compare it to things you know about. see how often what they say matches your experience. then, when they talk about something you do NOT know about, you have some basis for deciding whether they are likely full of crap or telling the truth.

over time, you should sort out the idiots and listen more to people who are more often than not correct. this is commonly called developing trust. and then when they say something that doesn't match your experience, you should reexamine your own experience and double check it.


on forums, and youtube, that's fairly easy, not because you can argue with them, but because you can see a history of what people have said over the years. for example, when it came to the reloading, the late rcmodel here had gained the trust of nearly everyone on the forum and when he said something about reloading, people listened. i won't name any examples of people here who are routinely full of crap, but you know who they are.

of course, it is also helpful to understand when a person is out of their lane. there are many posters here who are reliable experts in one field, and complete idiots in another. never assume for instance, that because someone is an accomplished LEO or MIL shooter, that they know anything about reloading or benchrest, etc.

naturally, it's harder with a new member or first time video reviewer, because you don't have a history.
 
guys the key to just about everything in life is filtering your sources. listen to what people say and compare it to things you know about. see how often what they say matches your experience. then, when they talk about something you do NOT know about, you have some basis for deciding whether they are likely full of crap or telling the truth.

over time, you should sort out the idiots and listen more to people who are more often than not correct. this is commonly called developing trust. and then when they say something that doesn't match your experience, you should reexamine your own experience and double check it.


on forums, and youtube, that's fairly easy, not because you can argue with them, but because you can see a history of what people have said over the years. for example, when it came to the reloading, the late rcmodel here had gained the trust of nearly everyone on the forum and when he said something about reloading, people listened. i won't name any examples of people here who are routinely full of crap, but you know who they are.

of course, it is also helpful to understand when a person is out of their lane. there are many posters here who are reliable experts in one field, and complete idiots in another. never assume for instance, that because someone is an accomplished LEO or MIL shooter, that they know anything about reloading or benchrest, etc.

naturally, it's harder with a new member or first time video reviewer, because you don't have a history.
This is exactly what I meant with my reply. I've been on THR for a number of years and have learned that we have some accomplished LR shooters, pistol experts, reloading geniuses, black powder pro's and of course the occasional know it all. After being around and learning who knows what they are talking about it makes it a learning experience every time I log on. Oh of course there is the entertainment factor too.
 
and that changes over time. 10 years ago, i knew about everything i wanted to know about ARs. these days so much has changed and i haven't kept up for years, so i ask a lot more questions than i answer.
 
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