What pocket pistol?

[benderx4]

If I'm not mistaken, Seecamp makes a model specifically for the Peoples Republic of Kallifornia. Take a look at the website. You may have to order it, and wait awhile, but it will be worth it. (Especially in light of your limited choices.) Sorry, I missed the initial Cali part.

 

[Timthinker]

When discussing the PPK as a pocket pistol, we need to put this issue into its proper historical context. The PPK was introduced shortly after the Walther PP pistol as a more concealable handgun for German police officers. Its compact size and reliability made it popular with the emerging Nazi police and military establishments too. It was also used by secret agents. If I am not mistaken, Allen Dulles, who later became a CIA director, carried one during World War 2. Of course, the PPks greatest claim to fame came as the handgun carried by the fictional British secret agent James Bond.

Now, time and techology have produced smaller pocket pistols since the creation of the PPK over seventy years ago. In fact, small 9mm handguns have been produced that are comparable to the PPK in terms of both size and weight. But we may consider the old PPK as a grandfather of modern pocket pistols. I hope this brief overview explains why the PPK is still viewed as a pocket pistol.


Timthinker

 

[Randyc74]

The OP asked for a comparison between the Beretta Tomcat and Walther PPKS. I've owned both and currently pocket carry a Tomcat as a back up gun. IMO why pocket a carry a Walther when there are much better and lighter choices for pocket carry out there?

 

[heavyshooter]

IMO why pocket a carry a Walther when there are much better and lighter choices for pocket carry out there?

Because I managed to crack the frame on my Berreta Tomcat 3032 after less than 100 rounds. I found out that I was in a large group who had the same experinces. I'll take the additional few ounces if it is a reliable gun.

Heavy

 

[kitsapcharly]

Kel-Tec 380.

 

[searcher451]

I carry a PPK/S daily and have never had an issue with it. I also own a Tomcat and have had nothing but issues with it: trigger problems, ejection problems, feeding problems, you name it. And yes, it's been back to the Beretta folks. This is an easy call.

 

[glockman19]

Ok. So I bought a Bersa Thunder .380. It's a Walther Clone and was half the price and shoots beautifully.

Next I'll get the Beretta Tomcat .32ACP. I understand the INOX version has not had any cracking issues.

 

[SAG0282]

Definitely the Walther.

 

[kitsapcharly]

I've never actually even seen a Walther except for the war-time P-38 but do have experience with Bersas. They're an updated version of the PP series and very nice guns at a much lower price. For all of that they're too big to be reasonable pocket pistols. There is a CC version which is trimmed down some and some people do carry them in pockets. Lighter and trimmer than a Walther andI believe California does allow them.
The Beretta design is basically the same as their smaller model in 22 and 25. An ex-girlfriend had one in 22 and it wasn't too reliable. I've had both a 22 and 25 Taurus which is a double action only variation and really bad. I've read a lot of bad about these from others. Stay away from them.
You really need other selections to choose from.

 

[Dollar An Hour]

Inox Tomcat. The blue models had slide crack issues that I think have been worked out but the stainless ones are good to go.

.32 ACP FMJ is the way to go to at least get some penetration on the BG.

 

[kokapelli]

".32 ACP FMJ is the way to go to at least get some penetration on the BG."

What does that mean?

 

[brockgl]

I'll never own another PPK. Traded in my PPK/S, and I'm not looking back.

That gun didn't like any ammo, and was horribly inaccurate. The only good thing about it was its looks.

 

[krs]

Timthinker,

You're quite correct about the Walther PP and PPK but the old PPK/s was a smaller pistol than either of those, and is considerably smaller than the currently available PPKs as sold by Interarms and now Smith & Wesson.

Those pistols, the original configurations of the design are a delight in comparison to the ones we get today, particularly the pre - WW2 models, but also the German procured Nazi issue pistols with a declination of quality as the war advanced - almost different enough in their nature as to be considered to be not the same guns at all. It's just a shame that so few have survived and that they run so high in the market when available.

I think that the Walther name gained it's well deserved reputation before WW2, and it was so entrenched in the shooting lexicon as a synonym for quality firearms that later importers and manufacturers of the design still ride on the shirttails of the old world company.

 

[krs]

Heavyshooter:

"Because I managed to crack the frame on my Berreta Tomcat 3032 after less than 100 rounds. I found out that I was in a large group who had the same experinces. I'll take the additional few ounces if it is a reliable gun.

Heavy"

So.....you're saying it'll crack if carried in a BACK pocket, Heavy?

 

[rondog]

FWIW - I also have a Bersa Thunder .380, and it's a great little gun! But, my pocket gun is a S&W Model 49 .38 snubbie in a DeSantis Nemesis pocket holster, loaded with five very belligerent-looking 147gr. Winchester +P hollowpoints. A much better package, IMO.

But, that wasn't the question. I voted for the Walther, .380 over .32 anyday for me.

 

[Bob79]

The California Edition of the Seecamp 32ACP would be a great idea.

 

[KBintheSLC]

The California Edition of the Seecamp 32ACP would be a great idea.

Its sad that companies have to bend over backwards to cater to the socialist dictatorship in CA. They must feel like they are really special. Sadly, every State might soon be plagued by similar, unjust restrictions.

Back on topic... I wouldn't spend money on either of those two guns.

 

[texaspunk]

I don't own either, but have fired both and thought they were both cool little pistols. Not much of a choice, but for pocket carry i think the tomcat would be more comfortable.

 

[heavyshooter]

So.....you're saying it'll crack if carried in a BACK pocket, Heavy?

Nope. They just fall apart in you hand. It is my understanding that the INOX performs better.

 

[burningsquirrels]

i might get flamed, but at 8+1 gold dots, i love my bersa 380 CC.