wyohome
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What Rifle for Black Bear hunting?
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wyohome
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I just made that part up to see if you would take the bait. It worked.
Kernel
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If you made it up all up then you got real lucky, cuz that's exactly how it went down. It's all been document in newspaper articles & court proceedings. How many times the bear was shot, where it was hit, at what range, in which order it was shot, etc, etc, the whole sequence of events.
If the .30-30 was part of your “trap”, then I withdraw that sole detail. Though it’s an entirely plausible cartridge for a deer hunter to use in Wisconsin. That or something bigger. Certainly nothing smaller.
Forget the whole .30-30 vs. bear debate. This is just an unfortunate case of a landowner being victimized and finically damaged by the unlawful actions of a slob hunter.
Unless you think this is all the work of the Chinese mafia. Photoshopping pictures to frame innocent American farmers, smuggling black bear gall bladders into Red China, in order to sustain the still viable brain of Chairman Mao, perfectly preserved within an Hellmann’s mayonnaise jar.
If the .30-30 was part of your “trap”, then I withdraw that sole detail. Though it’s an entirely plausible cartridge for a deer hunter to use in Wisconsin. That or something bigger. Certainly nothing smaller.
Forget the whole .30-30 vs. bear debate. This is just an unfortunate case of a landowner being victimized and finically damaged by the unlawful actions of a slob hunter.
Unless you think this is all the work of the Chinese mafia. Photoshopping pictures to frame innocent American farmers, smuggling black bear gall bladders into Red China, in order to sustain the still viable brain of Chairman Mao, perfectly preserved within an Hellmann’s mayonnaise jar.
guntech59
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I prefer something big and slow with lots of penetration. 35 Rem, 45-70, etc....alot depends on range though.
All this talk of "energy" makes my head hurt though. Energy doesn't kill...destroying vital organs kills. My first shot at a bear goes high to the shoulder.....they drop right there. Then one to both lungs so they die fast.
400 lbs at 35 yards and died 4 feet from where I shot it with my Marlin 336 in 35 Rem.
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All this talk of "energy" makes my head hurt though. Energy doesn't kill...destroying vital organs kills. My first shot at a bear goes high to the shoulder.....they drop right there. Then one to both lungs so they die fast.
400 lbs at 35 yards and died 4 feet from where I shot it with my Marlin 336 in 35 Rem.
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Either
1) The story is false or
2) Glancing shot, fairly common with bears.....it can happen even with a 458 Win Mag
3) Inappropriate cheap commercial ammo, poor bullet construction for the job.
4) Lousy shooter
Or a combination of the 4 above.
There were cases of a 300 Win Mag shots from 10 paces or so that failed to penetrate a Grizzly with the bullet fragmenting...that does means that the caliber is inadequate?? Not it means piss poor bullet construction for the task
A Hard cast or a partition 30-30 heavy for caliber bullet would go almost from brisket to butt on a typical blackie at point blank range
The 30-30 has slaughtered a countless number of black bears in over 100 years and many more will fall to the venerable 30 WCF...it is perfectly adequate for the job within its range limitations.
It is appalling ignorance about how bullets kill that generate that kind of statement....
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moooose102
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well, some people say that black bears can be sucsessfully hunted with a 30-30. and i am certain they can be. Fred Bear would hunt a rhino with 2 sticks and a peice of string. but no one is going to catch me out there with one! basicly, anything with at least as much power as a 30-06 would be fine, using a GOOD, HEAVY BULLET that is designed for the job. from my tiny little arseal, that would mean either my 300 win mag, or my 45/70. personally, i would go with heavy bullets, like a 220 grain 30 cal, or 400 grain 45. you are going to want ENERGY over speed for a bear. i wish you luck on your hunt, and rifle selection. bring enough gun!
This is a funny thread indeed. hahaha!
The only bear I have killed to date was a 420 pound boar on Potts Mountain, VA 20 years ago. I placed one shot where it needed to be and the bear died dead as a doorknob.
OH, I was shooting a Marlin 336C 30-30. The same day as I was checking my bear in another man pulled up with one that was just under or over(don't remember) 600 pounds.
Oh my! He shot it with a Marlin 336C in 30-30 too. I am glad neither of those bears knew that a 30-30 would just bounce off of them or things may have gotten hairy.
Get a grip guys. You do NOT have to have the latest, greatest, super duper, shoulder busting, belted magnum to kill a bear. The old 30-30 is fine black bear medicine and a great many of the latest, greatest calibers now offered will be dead and gone long before the 30-30 fizzles out.
The only bear I have killed to date was a 420 pound boar on Potts Mountain, VA 20 years ago. I placed one shot where it needed to be and the bear died dead as a doorknob.
OH, I was shooting a Marlin 336C 30-30. The same day as I was checking my bear in another man pulled up with one that was just under or over(don't remember) 600 pounds.
Oh my! He shot it with a Marlin 336C in 30-30 too. I am glad neither of those bears knew that a 30-30 would just bounce off of them or things may have gotten hairy.
Get a grip guys. You do NOT have to have the latest, greatest, super duper, shoulder busting, belted magnum to kill a bear. The old 30-30 is fine black bear medicine and a great many of the latest, greatest calibers now offered will be dead and gone long before the 30-30 fizzles out.
wyohome
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The thing they seem to not notice is that the energy that is left after the bullet passes out the other side doesn't do anything to stop the animal. I am for almost complete containment within the body cavity with an exit wound to help with tracking if possible.
pat86323
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I am pretty good friends with a guy who guides and is on ALOT of bear hunts and from everything i have heard from him 90% of treed bears are shot with either a 357 or a 44mag. That said if i was looking for a levergun to shoot one out to say 200 yards id be in the market searching for a savage model 98 in 308. Contrary to popular belief bears are not bulletproof and will die just the same as anything else if hit properly.
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dont mant to blow up your spot or anything man but no it wasn't. please check your facts first
the record black came from my county in the 90's it was an 880
http://www.bear.org/website/index.p...ticle&id=95:how-big-is-ted&catid=29&Itemid=56
i got my first one with a .30-30 anything more powerful than that will be fine, i normally use a .44mag lever or a marlin .45-70
Daveboone
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The pic is certainly shopped, but proportionatly is still a beefy bear!
Do you think you would be bait hunting, hound or spot and stalk?
That may make a big diff as far as the type of rifle you would want. ( I am not sure of the terrain in your neck of the woods).
You seldom get a 2nd shot in at a bear. When you fire, if they are at all capable of moving, they are greased lightning out of there. My belief and experience is that a heavy solid bullet is more important than artillery powered velocity. I shot a small (125 lb) bear with a .300 Win Mag at 50 yards, and was horrified at the destruction. One chest wall
was removed and the bear still ran 25 yards into brush. The next one was shot with a 350 grain 45-70 with modern (but not maximum) single shot loads, from a Browning 1885, that bear went 10 yards (also through the boiler maker). I am staying with the 45-70.
In my opinion though, the 45-70 is strictly a shorter range gun, with a trajectory like a rainbow. If you want to hunt deer also with possibly longer shots, I would go with one of the .30 calibers where you can get heavier bullet weights. A scope for low light conditions is also a very good idea. A good bolt action in 30-06 with 220 grain bullets will anchor anything. The old 06 was the standard hunting round for everything for a very long time. Shoot, shoot alot, and know yours and the guns limitations. Let the air out of the critter, and you own it.
Do you think you would be bait hunting, hound or spot and stalk?
That may make a big diff as far as the type of rifle you would want. ( I am not sure of the terrain in your neck of the woods).
You seldom get a 2nd shot in at a bear. When you fire, if they are at all capable of moving, they are greased lightning out of there. My belief and experience is that a heavy solid bullet is more important than artillery powered velocity. I shot a small (125 lb) bear with a .300 Win Mag at 50 yards, and was horrified at the destruction. One chest wall
was removed and the bear still ran 25 yards into brush. The next one was shot with a 350 grain 45-70 with modern (but not maximum) single shot loads, from a Browning 1885, that bear went 10 yards (also through the boiler maker). I am staying with the 45-70.
In my opinion though, the 45-70 is strictly a shorter range gun, with a trajectory like a rainbow. If you want to hunt deer also with possibly longer shots, I would go with one of the .30 calibers where you can get heavier bullet weights. A scope for low light conditions is also a very good idea. A good bolt action in 30-06 with 220 grain bullets will anchor anything. The old 06 was the standard hunting round for everything for a very long time. Shoot, shoot alot, and know yours and the guns limitations. Let the air out of the critter, and you own it.
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