What size groups do you get with slugs at 25 & 50 yards?
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Dave McCracken
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From a good rest at 100 yards, one of mine shoots the slug of choice,the 1 oz KO Brenekke, into less than 5" edge to edge.The other slug shooter goes a little more than 4" ETE. YMMV, these are tweaked and I've good bench technique.
Both of these are 870s, of course, set up as "Serious" shotguns.
Check the TFL Archives,we did a lot of slug comparisons back then.
If one can put all the shots into a saucer at a given distance,the shooter/slug/shotgun combo is accurate enough for deer at THAT distance.
Both of these are 870s, of course, set up as "Serious" shotguns.
Check the TFL Archives,we did a lot of slug comparisons back then.
If one can put all the shots into a saucer at a given distance,the shooter/slug/shotgun combo is accurate enough for deer at THAT distance.
Bruce626
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As Dave says, "Pie Plate" is the deal. Several variables, here's how mine stack up:
Gun/Bbl: Mossberg 500, 18.5 in bbl. Bead Sight.
Sight: Yah, Bead.
Range: 114 yds. Target: Man-sized, not Deer.
COF: Scrambler from various tac positions.
Shell: Slug, 1oz, 2-3/4 in, std or reduced recoil, both work.
Previously sighted in at 100 yd. Pie plate or go home.
Result: Hit in center of mass. Dead= 6 of 8 on first, all by 2.
Way easier if you have ghost ring or red dot, but bead works.
Not about deer, unfortunately.
--Bruce.
Gun/Bbl: Mossberg 500, 18.5 in bbl. Bead Sight.
Sight: Yah, Bead.
Range: 114 yds. Target: Man-sized, not Deer.
COF: Scrambler from various tac positions.
Shell: Slug, 1oz, 2-3/4 in, std or reduced recoil, both work.
Previously sighted in at 100 yd. Pie plate or go home.
Result: Hit in center of mass. Dead= 6 of 8 on first, all by 2.
Way easier if you have ghost ring or red dot, but bead works.
Not about deer, unfortunately.
--Bruce.
Dave McCracken
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Actually, Bruce, I said saucer, not plate.
Plate size is about 9 inches. Folks doing that from the bench think sometimes they can do it under field conditions and under adrenaline boost.
No way.
Using the saucer criteria helps keeping the range realistic.
Plate size is about 9 inches. Folks doing that from the bench think sometimes they can do it under field conditions and under adrenaline boost.
No way.
Using the saucer criteria helps keeping the range realistic.
Dave McCracken
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Nope. One has a rifled choke tube, the other is a true cylinder bore(30" full choke goose barrel cut back to 18" plus a little).
IME, rifled choke tubes work best with Forster and Brenneke styles of slugs. And, it's not a critical difference as the results show.
Watch over the weekend, from the interest shown, it's time for Slugs 101....
IME, rifled choke tubes work best with Forster and Brenneke styles of slugs. And, it's not a critical difference as the results show.
Watch over the weekend, from the interest shown, it's time for Slugs 101....
using my benelli M1 "Defense" with an 18 1/2" smoothbore/cylinder bore barrel, I have gotten 3 Brenneke slugs to cloverleaf @ 75 yrds. Not a constant but pretty darn close to 2-3" groups at that range using the factory ghost ring sights.
Remington 870, 21 inch deer barrel w/rifle sights, rifled choke tube & winchester 2.75 1oz max slugs I can get three slugs touching at 50 yards off the bench.. about a 2 inch group overall. At 25 they cover each other in one ragged hole. At 100 I'm looking at a 5-6 inch circle, but I can usually get a bullseye. Mind you that's off a a bench and sandbags, but the gun will do it if you can.
MaxSE PT99
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Was just at the range today, and at 25 yards I put 4 Winchester slugs into about the same hole. This was standing, and freehand. No sling.
Mossberg 500A 24in Barrel, ported, Tru-Glo sight, full pistol grip stock from ATI, Sidesaddle.
Hope this helps.
Jon
Mossberg 500A 24in Barrel, ported, Tru-Glo sight, full pistol grip stock from ATI, Sidesaddle.
Hope this helps.
Jon
MeanBone
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Benelli M1 Tactical 12 guage
18 1/2" barrel w/rifle sights
Smooth bore w/improved choke
50 yds from bench
Didn't measure the group. I just wanted to see if the rifle sights were correct. Glad to see that they're pretty much on out of the box.
Don't remember the details on the ammo but they were just some standard deer slugs I had laying around.
Note: I will not bench slugs again! Man . . . that hurts! Next time I'll be up on two feet.
MB
18 1/2" barrel w/rifle sights
Smooth bore w/improved choke
50 yds from bench
Didn't measure the group. I just wanted to see if the rifle sights were correct. Glad to see that they're pretty much on out of the box.
Don't remember the details on the ammo but they were just some standard deer slugs I had laying around.
Note: I will not bench slugs again! Man . . . that hurts! Next time I'll be up on two feet.
MB
Zeke Menuar
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Western Field 550AL (Mossberg 500). 28" vent rib Win-choke barrel, improved tube installed. Only sight is the gold bead. About 5" groups offhand at 50yds using ordinary Remington "Slugger" 2 3/4" slugs. I must say that shooting those slugs is a blast. Need to take some milk jugs and watermelons out next time.
ZM
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Fed168
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At 25 yards, off hand and rapid fire, my shotgun can stay in the 10 and X ring. At 50 yards in rapid fire, if I do my part, about the width of a 10 ring. The targets used are B-27s. The time for 25 yards is 12 seconds, 50 is 15 seconds. That is with four rounds in the gun and one combat loaded, for each yard line.
Shotgun- an 1187 with a 21 inch smoothbore barrel with the rifled choke, rifle sights.
Shotgun- an 1187 with a 21 inch smoothbore barrel with the rifled choke, rifle sights.
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Al Thompson
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Fastlane, what sort of sights are on that 870p?
Tom Held
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The type and manufacturer of the slug will make an incredible difference. I went through at least 8 types of sabot slugs sighting in a Marlin Bolt Action Slug gun (rifled barrel with a 1x5 Leopold scope). Started with the "Light Field Sabots" upon recommendation of a dealer. These were the absolute worst. Not only did they pattern about 10 inches at 50 yards but they tumbled and hit the target sideways.
Then went through a variety of Winchester, Remingtons, and Hornadys. Finally found one combination that works well. For this gun, this barrel, and this configuration the Winchester Supreme 2.75's will pattern a legitimate 2" group at 50 yards consisently and 4" group at 100 (about a six inch drop from 50 yards). This is all from a bench rest. I feel this is acceptable for a slug gun.
Interestingly, the Winchester Supreme 3" Sabots grouped very poorly, actually unacceptable. Which is great because the recoil was beating the crap out of me.
The cost of this shotgun was actually less than purchasing a cantilevered, rifled barrel for one of my Remington 1100's or 870's.
Tom Held
Then went through a variety of Winchester, Remingtons, and Hornadys. Finally found one combination that works well. For this gun, this barrel, and this configuration the Winchester Supreme 2.75's will pattern a legitimate 2" group at 50 yards consisently and 4" group at 100 (about a six inch drop from 50 yards). This is all from a bench rest. I feel this is acceptable for a slug gun.
Interestingly, the Winchester Supreme 3" Sabots grouped very poorly, actually unacceptable. Which is great because the recoil was beating the crap out of me.
The cost of this shotgun was actually less than purchasing a cantilevered, rifled barrel for one of my Remington 1100's or 870's.
Tom Held
Dave McCracken
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That's more proof, Tom, that each shotgun is a law unto itself. The very next one off the assembly line might have done best with one of your rejects.
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