What to buy Dan Wesson Pointman vs Springfield Mil-Spec

[Tropical Z]

One boys BS is another universes truth!
I will no longer participate in threads where you or 3 other particularly obnoxious members spout your warped and consistently negative opinions about other members choices in firearms.Lifes to short to waste my words on people of little substance.

 

[Minute_Of_Torso]

This dumb hillbilly got some more warped opinion to spew . . .

I posted previously that it was 2000 rounds and counting - 100% reliable.

Well dem dere numbers just went to 2500 and counting - 100% reliable. What a piece of junk dem Springfields is.

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On a more serious note:

Quote from cratz2:

Stainless Target Loaded 45ACP - 0 failures
Stainless Target Loaded 9mm - maybe 2 failures other than a bad mag
Blued Loaded - 2 failures in the first 100 rounds
Lightly Loaded Parkerized - 0 failures
MilSpec 45ACP #1 - maybe 4 failures ever
MilSpec 45ACP #2 - 0 failures with me shooting
MilSpec 45ACP #3 - ??? Haven't shot it yet
MilSpec 38 Super - 0 failures


DANG! I want to hang out with you!

 

[9x19]

Borrowed from the Dan Wesson room at 1911Forum.com

The front sight is loose…The rear sight hinge pin is coming out…Mpro7 seems to remove the finish from the underside of the grips and take the color out of the laser work…I sent #16 back to DW today because of my jamming problem…

I' sending mine back also….too many FTF...Front site loose, back site lose after session at range…had several "lite" strikes on primers with failure to ignite…with Corbon, Blazer ammo.

…the sights on 2 RZ's…appear to be slightly canted (crooked), as viewed from shooting position…the front sights on 2 Patriots were loosely installed…rear of the dovetail was struck with a punch (at the factory)…to tighten-up the fit…one RZ which has exhibited some light firing pin strikes…RZ grips appear to be either painted or dyed black. Yuck! …brown wood peeking out at the tops of the diamonds.

…new Patriot Expert…Problem is that 2 or 3 rounds per magazine fail to go into battery. Most of the time the thumb safety cannot be engaged.

Razorback #5 will not feed jack !*&@ …have tried 5 different brands they will not feed into the barrel…

…pretty disappointed with my Patriot Marksman…blueing is inconsistent…rear sight has never stayed in place through a round of shooting…extractor has begun spewing casings all over the place…ejector is peened on the rear part, causing a nice large gap between it and the slide.

I picked up my patriot…the front sight was so loose I was able to push it most of the way out with my thumb…

…A DW pointman major…having some feeding issues, the gun will eject the spent shell, and jam the next round half way in the chamber and half way out of the mag…used Federal fmj 230 gr, and cci blazer 230 gr both with the same results…gun will jam 4 times out of 50 shots…mags require a good smack to get them past the mag catch…last round is fired the slide does not seem to be locking back properly 2 out of 5 mags…when handeling…and after locking the slide back to inspect…I would drop the slide by way of depressing the slide stop…takeing the hammer to half cock 4 out of 10 times, <Spelling errors are replicated from original post>

I just bought a PTE-S yesterday….ejector didn't look right….I think it's broken…a brand new gun….haven't even fired the gun yet….it's 100% broken…jagged, and…no protrusion…really frustrated…How can a new, top of the line DW pistol be shipped like this? Doesn't Dan Wesson have quality control…?

The nickeled GS turned out be more yellow than I had first thought….the very tip of the hammer is very nicely impact nickeled now from repeated (every shot) contact with the beavertail…the brass was hitting the slide behind the ejection port…

…new Pointman Minor PM2-P…grip panel cracked…grip bushing comes out with srew…got 4 rounds through jam ,jam again -tried differnt ammo jam-jam-jam wont extract or feed properly!!!Did i get a lemon!

…the Rz…two glaring errors. (#1) With the pistol empty & hammer down (condition 0) The thumb safety can go half way to engaged & stay there…(#2) The hammer seems too long and is already making a pretty nasty mark in the dished out area on the beavertail.

With only 250 rounds of S&B 230gr FMJs downrange, I have these issues…Shoots three inches below POA at 21 yards…Rear sight set screw keeps wiggling loose… Barrel link pin falls right out…DW medallion on left side grip panel fell off…Front sight has worked loose

Pointman minor PM3…The mag it came with sent the first rnd directly into the frame. So did all other mags tried including CMC and Wilson…some of the brass bonks me on the head sometimes.

…new Patriot Expert…2nd to last round from each mag the trigger didn't return forward all of the way. I had to move it forward to be able to shoot the last shot….

When i recieved the weapon the front sight was lose…The 2-piece guide rod loosened up 2x…RZ shipped with no grip screws…

ALL current makers of 1911 have their problems... If you want perfection, buy a Glock!
{also borrowed from 1911Forum}

 

[duckfoot]

mil-spec springer bought three years ago, 1 barrel and roughly 13,000 rounds later, only one problem, one wore out barrel.
That was my fault.

but been bit a few times.







.02 taken with salt

 

[jem375]

9x19.........yeah, right, just ask the NY police department about Glocks..........like you said, every maker has problems including glocks..........also have seen many posts about glock malfunctions......

 

[jem375]

TropicalZ........gee, and what did you just do about Springfield??..

 

[Grayrider]

Pinetree64,

Tough decision there. I have had a couple SA Loadeds with no problems at all. They were not nearly as well finished as my Razorback, but not sure in comparison to a Pointman (will know soon however). DW will stand by it if you have problems and the gun is new. I would say the decision for me would be based on what you have versus what you want. If you don't have a 1911, will only buy one, and want it to be pretty well finished from the get-go, I would get the Pointman. If you have other 1911s and just want a mil-spec to have mil-spec, the SA is a great gun. Personally I like the bells and whistles. I don't want to have to drop $460 on the gun, then another few hundred in parts. DW gets me pretty much where I want to be out of the box. I doubt there is much difference in component quality as we are talking cast frame, forged slide, MIM parts on either gun (IIRC).

Either way you should be able to get past any minor issues that crop up. Both guns would have good resale to boot. Getting a 1911 is just a plain good idea anyway you look at it!

GR

 

[Correia]

My daily carry gun is a Springfield. I have access to many other guns, so I could obviously carry something else if I didn't believe in the Springfield.

My carry gun hates one brand of hollow point. Rim is too thin. Other than that, no problem. Solution? Don't use that ammo.

I have sent a gun back to Springfield. Their service was fast and dang near perfect. No complaints with their warranty.

I have not shot a Wesson.

Tropical, I suggest you chill out a little. You made a statement. Others debated your opinion. End of story. So everybody take a deep breath and move on with your life.

 

[harrydog]

Quote:
"Tropical, I suggest you chill out a little. You made a statement. Others debated your opinion. End of story."


You're being too polite. What he did was spout pure BS and he was confronted with it.

 

[duckfoot]

Tropical I can agree with one point about springfield firearms and that is they have made some bad ones. I also look at it this way. I am a HK owner and I didn't buy one for a very long time because of one story that has been floating aroud about firing pins breaking. Got one a year ago have never had a singel malfunction EVER! So why didn't I get one sooner.

BEACUSE

You can do a life time of good deeds but be remembered for one mistake.



.02 taken with salt

 

[noklue3]

9X19:

Your list of problem posts on the Dan Wesson forum of the 1911 Forum is misleading and unfair. You know as well as I that I could pick any model gun and find problems and list only the same. Why did you not post the great many positive post at the same site? I don't care for Glocks but that does mean that they are not any good.

Pinetree64:

I do not have a Pointman, but I do have a Dan Wesson Patriot Expert and it is one fine pistol and I would recommend any Dan Wesson after my experience with it. The Patriot has a Lifetime Warranty. You can get them for $650 - $750 if you would be interested.
I have looked at but not fired the Mil-Spec and while the Patriot is a higher end pistol, any comparison to it would be unfair. I have seen the Mil-Spec going for $399 here in Ohio at the larger gun shops though, so if you decide to get one, I would look some more at the pricing.

Good luck.

Art

 

[9x19]

Noklue,

I noted, at the bottom of my above post, that all 1911 makers have their share of problems (due mostly to cheap internal parts and poor QC).

Feel free to post the "positive" side if you want, we'll take a look.

BTW, admitting Glocks are not perfect may take me a bit longer...

 

[noklue3]

9X19:

I noted the final "all 1911 makers have problems" and of course you are right. My exception was that you only posted the negative. As again with ALL 1911 makers there are good points and they should be noted as well.

And as far as a perfect Glock...Well, time for me to be quiet.

All the best


Art