If I wasn't scared too death and crying like a little girl I would reload, scan the area for other threats, and the minute I saw the blue lights I would lay it at my feet and back away a couple steps. I was afraid for my life. Then shut up untill you see your lawyer.
What to do with gun after SD shooting
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I have mentioned this in another thread, but I had a ND in a very small enclosed room and had very little hearing for 30 min afterward. My GF yelling sounded like whispering.
Doctor said it should be nearly 100% ok though, and any small gradation of loss would likely be unnoticeable.
An important lesson from that experience was mainly to be prepared for the noise! Honestly, I think if you are prepared for the noise and aural shock of the discharge, you have an advantage.
I wouldn't recommend intentionally discharging a firearm indoors with no hearing protection, but I am actually somewhat glad for the experience; I now know what to expect.
Doctor said it should be nearly 100% ok though, and any small gradation of loss would likely be unnoticeable.
An important lesson from that experience was mainly to be prepared for the noise! Honestly, I think if you are prepared for the noise and aural shock of the discharge, you have an advantage.
I wouldn't recommend intentionally discharging a firearm indoors with no hearing protection, but I am actually somewhat glad for the experience; I now know what to expect.
Make sure there are no other immediate threats, reload, holster, and get out of the area while calling 911 (if my fingers will hold still enough to do that).
I have no desire to be hanging around somebody I just shot, and possibly have their buddies show up, nor listen to him/her possibly die - I have zero responsibility to administer aid to somebody who just threatened my life.
When the cops show up - I was in fear of my life, and acted in self defense. I will be happy to comply with any orders given, but I will not talk until I have met with my lawyer.
I have no desire to be hanging around somebody I just shot, and possibly have their buddies show up, nor listen to him/her possibly die - I have zero responsibility to administer aid to somebody who just threatened my life.
When the cops show up - I was in fear of my life, and acted in self defense. I will be happy to comply with any orders given, but I will not talk until I have met with my lawyer.
BullfrogKen
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That's not entirely true.
I have. I've shot inside our Indoor Range unprotected and not had this happen. I'ver shot entire stages inside the shoothouse at the NTI without protection. I heard the ROs commands had conversations during the shooting that didn't require yelling. Same with the debrief afterwards.
It was painful, and I winced for some of the subsequent shots. My ears rang for hours, but I have hearing damage and tinnitus from my time as a Marine. But I was not made deaf.
What you see "in the movies" - as in the battle sequences of Saving Private Ryan - are the portrayal of a pyschological reaction to extremely high levels of stress. Auditory Exclusion is one of the many reactions those in near death or very stressful events experience.
I don't want to see this thread turn into a discussion about this particular subject. If you want to discuss it, let's begin another thread on it. But I felt compelled to clear up that bit of misinformation.
Dropping guns? Why do we assume we have to drop it from 4 to 5 feet? We can pretty quickly bend and drop it from say, 6 inches, just as easily and still communicate by our behavior and our words that we are not a thread.
Of course, it might get kicked aside after its on the ground . . . but that's how things go. After I have shot someone the value or condition of my gun are among the least of my concerns.
With what calibers?
I have experienced it and all sound going away except loud ones has been my experience. Both with rifle rounds and some pistol as well as some even louder things.
The "in the battle sequences of Saving Private Ryan" was exactly as it was, quiet and eery, only hearing additional loud noises but everything else silent.
Have you tried it with a loud caliber?
With a .22 things are about as you say, painful but not producing that effect.
Things are not so bad with something like a .38/9mm. Really loud calibers or explosions though do produce that effect.
I tend to have very good hearing still. Perhaps if you already have lost a good deal of hearing it will just be a loud noise and not a really loud noise with that effect?
That sounds about right. Probably deaf for the first few minutes too. Luckily I have yet to have a ND and I hope I can keep it that way.
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BullfrogKen
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12 gauge, .308 Winchester, and 9x23 qualify as loud enough for you?
shadowalker
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I have also fired a few rounds of 40 S&W and 45 ACP without hearing protection over the years, they were excellent reminders to put the ears back on. I was able to hear every shot, even follow ups, it was painful accompanied with some ringing but I was able to hear conversation and movement around me.
tkendrick
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Our procedure was very simple, and we were trained to not deviate from it.
1. Never give up control of your weapon until the cavalry arrives. In our jurisdiction that meant holster or hold, depending on the circumstances. Never place your gun on the ground until the good guys arrive.
2. Make yourself obvious to the cavalry. If holding on a bad guy, you want to make damn sure the cops don't find you by surprise, or worse yet, have to go looking for you. If you can arrange it so that you are the first and most obvious thing they see when they pull up, do it.
3. Once the cavalry arrives, raise both hands in the air. Turn toward them, show them the gun, place it on the ground in front of you, in plain site of the officer, and step back at least two paces. Place both hands on your head. If you can safely do this before being told to do so, so much the better.
The reason for this should be obvious. You want them to know they have entered a situation involving a firearm, and you want them to know where yours (at least) is.
4. Follow their instructions. Expect to be cuffed. Cooperate when they do it.
5. Every body will be running on adrenaline, don't add to the problem.
6. Finally, and most important IMHO, keep your mouth shut! When asked a question, give a short and direct answer. Most street cops aren't looking for your life history, and they're going to turn you over to a detective any way. The less chatter and noise they have to deal with, the better as far as they are concerned. If you are a civilian, it is usually best to ask for an attorney, even if you feel you did nothing wrong. Again, the reason for this should be obvious.
1. Never give up control of your weapon until the cavalry arrives. In our jurisdiction that meant holster or hold, depending on the circumstances. Never place your gun on the ground until the good guys arrive.
Really bad thinking
2. Make yourself obvious to the cavalry. If holding on a bad guy, you want to make damn sure the cops don't find you by surprise, or worse yet, have to go looking for you. If you can arrange it so that you are the first and most obvious thing they see when they pull up, do it.
3. Once the cavalry arrives, raise both hands in the air. Turn toward them, show them the gun, place it on the ground in front of you, in plain site of the officer, and step back at least two paces. Place both hands on your head. If you can safely do this before being told to do so, so much the better.
The reason for this should be obvious. You want them to know they have entered a situation involving a firearm, and you want them to know where yours (at least) is.
4. Follow their instructions. Expect to be cuffed. Cooperate when they do it.
5. Every body will be running on adrenaline, don't add to the problem.
6. Finally, and most important IMHO, keep your mouth shut! When asked a question, give a short and direct answer. Most street cops aren't looking for your life history, and they're going to turn you over to a detective any way. The less chatter and noise they have to deal with, the better as far as they are concerned. If you are a civilian, it is usually best to ask for an attorney, even if you feel you did nothing wrong. Again, the reason for this should be obvious.
Well if you were able to do that, and indoors where noise is really loud as the sound waves bounce right back at you then great.
My experience has been different and that for several seconds following such an extremely loud noise the only thing that can be heard is other loud noises.
Then the hearing slowly returns to normal over several minutes, and a ringing that can take longer (though mine did go away unlike some people's).
If that is not your experience more power to you.
My experience has been different and that for several seconds following such an extremely loud noise the only thing that can be heard is other loud noises.
Then the hearing slowly returns to normal over several minutes, and a ringing that can take longer (though mine did go away unlike some people's).
If that is not your experience more power to you.
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I was just reading a story about two police officers involved in a shooting. The suspect had threatened his ex gf with a knife at the courthouse, but he was let go peacefully after they did not find any knives. After leaving, he was pulled over close to the courthouse for a minor traffic infraction. One of the officers who was at the courthouse heard this on the radio and, suspicious of this, went to the scene. After the second officer (the one who was at the courthouse just minutes earlier) asked the suspect to get out of the car, the suspect failed to comply. The suspect tried to take off in the car. The officers tried to wrestle the keys from the suspect and he reached under his seat and pulled out a .38 and shot one of the first officers in the head. The other officer, at a distance of less than 10 feet from the suspect, shot the suspect two times with a department issued 9mm with no apparent effect. The suspect returned fire at the second officer, who returned fire with 12 more shots. The officer then ran out of ammunition and reloaded, and shot 6 more rounds at the firing suspect. The suspect opens the car door but looses conscious and spraled out of the car three feet away from his .38. The remaining officer went back to call in the situation. Meanwhile, the suspect regained consciousness and reached his gun, the officer shoots the suspect again two time, clearly hitting him. The suspect goes down and the officer kicks the .38 away. The officer returns to call this into dispatch, then finds the suspect regained consciousness and was reaching for the gun again. The officer kicks the gun further and the suspect collapses.
My take is that you are not out of danger until you are out of danger. When the po-po arrive, their lights and sirens will probably be on. until you hear them or see their lights, then you can drop your gun.
My take is that you are not out of danger until you are out of danger. When the po-po arrive, their lights and sirens will probably be on. until you hear them or see their lights, then you can drop your gun.
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i agree, hang on to it, if it is low on ammo, reload. if you had to shoot once, you may be forced to do it again. when the cops arive, do as they tell you. they will have their weapons drawn, and it is their scene then, if somebody needs neutralizing after they tell you to drop your weapon, let them do it. unless the cop gets shot. then pick it back up and blast away again. as far as talking to them, just stick to the very simple facts. you WILL be in shock. it is the body's way of dealing with traumatic things. so if you try to tell every little detail, you will get screwed up. then, later, you will have to recant your story, and that is bad news. besides, if the REAL C.S.I detectives are as good as the ones on t.v. they will be able to tell you where, when, why the shooting happened, if it was necessary, who shot first, what brand of ammo each of you used, and probably even where each of you purchased it!
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I am not LE and my training resume is short. I welcome the opportunity to improve my skills and knowledge. I mean no disrespect. These are honest questions. What is your background? Put another way, why should I assign validity to your advice? Maybe you mis-understand my post. First off, it is not advice. It is what I might do. I understand the necessity of identifying yourself to responding LE and not freaking them out. Is there any reason you cannot id yourself from behind cover and ask that they not shoot you before leaving cover? I am dead serious about that. I will be perfectly honest w/ you. The thought of the aftermath of a shooting, including submission to LE, would stay my hand even in situations where lethal force is clearly justified. At some level of threat to my family and myself I would utilize lethal force if I had the means to do so, but I make decisions according to my paradigm.
Buck Nekkid
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Mas Ayoob has made a list of what to do following an incident. Does anyone know where I can get it? I think I saw it illustrated on Tom Gresham's "Personal Defense" TV show on the Outdoor Channel, but I can't find a link on Gresham's website to this list.
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I guess I'm maybe misunderstanding where you are coming from. My understanding was that you were asking what to do after you have had to detain or drop a bad guy.
My experience is limited to 2 years of undercover work during which time we carried no form of ID whatsoever linking us to any kind of legal officer status. Occasionally, we would be working in areas where the local LE was not informed of our presence until after it was deemed necessary.
I will tell you that there are a lot of guys out there that undoubtedly have a lot more real world experience at this than I do.
My take on it is that way too many people plan their way through what to do in case the find they have to use a gun in a SD role, but don't put much thought into the aftermath.
Do this.
Walk through a realistic situation you think you might find yourself in.
Figure out what the scenario would be when it's over.
Then, go down the block and take the role of a patrolman driving up to your location in a patrol car. You're responding to a 911 call or a shots fired call. That's it.
Any other info given him by dispatch is going to be suspect.
I give you 3 scenarios:
1. You pull up to the scene. A suspect is standing in the open. He sees you, shows you that he is armed in an unthreatening manner, places the gun on the ground and steps back and waits for your instructions.
2. You pull up to the scene. A suspect is hiding behind a car in the driveway. Refuses to come out and is shouting that he's armed and don't shoot or won't shoot or something to that effect.
3. You pull up to the scene. You see that there has been an armed confrontation. A victim is lyng on the ground and you don't see the shooter. You call for back up, draw your weapon and begin scanning for the shooter.
Either way, what are you as an officer first on the scene and alone, going to do?
You can handle it any way you want to. Personally, I'm going to do everything in my power to defuse that situation. Acting like a perp isn't going to help my cause.
My experience is limited to 2 years of undercover work during which time we carried no form of ID whatsoever linking us to any kind of legal officer status. Occasionally, we would be working in areas where the local LE was not informed of our presence until after it was deemed necessary.
I will tell you that there are a lot of guys out there that undoubtedly have a lot more real world experience at this than I do.
My take on it is that way too many people plan their way through what to do in case the find they have to use a gun in a SD role, but don't put much thought into the aftermath.
Do this.
Walk through a realistic situation you think you might find yourself in.
Figure out what the scenario would be when it's over.
Then, go down the block and take the role of a patrolman driving up to your location in a patrol car. You're responding to a 911 call or a shots fired call. That's it.
Any other info given him by dispatch is going to be suspect.
I give you 3 scenarios:
1. You pull up to the scene. A suspect is standing in the open. He sees you, shows you that he is armed in an unthreatening manner, places the gun on the ground and steps back and waits for your instructions.
2. You pull up to the scene. A suspect is hiding behind a car in the driveway. Refuses to come out and is shouting that he's armed and don't shoot or won't shoot or something to that effect.
3. You pull up to the scene. You see that there has been an armed confrontation. A victim is lyng on the ground and you don't see the shooter. You call for back up, draw your weapon and begin scanning for the shooter.
Either way, what are you as an officer first on the scene and alone, going to do?
You can handle it any way you want to. Personally, I'm going to do everything in my power to defuse that situation. Acting like a perp isn't going to help my cause.
Trust me when I tell you that my partial understanding of the aftermath plays a huge role in my decision-making process. When people discuss lethal force situations, my thoughts always turn to the aftermath.tkendrick said:
Concerning responding from cover, it would not be my intent to stay there indefinitely. Neither would it be my intent to create an antagonistic relationship w/ the responding officers, but I assume responding LEO’s are going to force that dynamic anyway. It is hard for me to fully understand how I would view the situation as a LE first responder, but to an extent I get it. LEO’s do not care what I want or think. LEO’s want control. In this type of situation, I can yield control and live (probably), or have control taken from me and die.
I will be honest with you; in retrospect my response had already been decided. I am not certain why I even posted; probably because I think the situation would be a 50 gallon drum of SUCK. Thinking about it disturbs me so I probably should not think about it any more.
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I didn't read everything here, but here is my advice (as an LEO who would respond to such an incident):
Do not have the weapon in your hands when we come through the door.
Holster it, set it down, put it out of sight, whatever... Just don't have it in your hands, or your hand on it when the officer walks in.
Remember, as an officer responding to such a call, I have to make a split second decision on whether or not you are the bad guy, and the homeowner is shot, or if you are the good guy, and the bad guy is shot... Dispatch may have given me some part of the story, but they are often wrong or their details are limited. The situation will be assessed by the officer who walks in that door... And, our training tells us how fast someone can go from "low-ready" to shooting us. You won't have long to comply, needless to say (so it is best to just not have it in your hand if it is at all avoidable).
If the situation dictates that you keep the weapon trained on the attacker (say he is still a threat at this point), then think about your muzzle direction, your body language, and communicate clearly (and listen closely) when officers do arrive.
Communicate these details to dispatch "This guy is still a threat, but I have him at gun point. I am a White/Black/Hispanic Male/Female, and I am wearing a Blue shirt with white pants... Tell the officers so they don't shoot me. I can't set the gun down yet".
That information could make a huge difference for everyone's safety!
Otherwise, I don't care if you leave the gun loaded or not. We'll figure out how many shots were fired anyway, with a reasonable degree of certainty (I would personally leave it loaded).
As for your hearing, interesting things happen psychologically/physiologically to a lot of folks when they shoot another person in a deadly force encounter. Many folks (the majority) report things like tunnel vision and that they never heard the sound of the gunfire! For some reason a person's hearing doesn't seem effected by this specific type of shooting (unlike a range environment on paper), and many folks report being able to hear just fine immediately after the shots are over and the adrenaline drops a bit. I can't remember all of the fancy terminology that is thrown around for this, but it does happen.
Case in point: One of my shift partners was involved in a shooting not too long ago. Seven officers fired, and one of the officers was firing a rifle just inches from my partner's head. He told me he never even heard it!
AS FOR THE LAWYER ADVICE:
The same applies for officers and citizens involved in shootings, in my opinion. If you are mirandized, you are being looked at for criminal charges. Politely request the presence of a lawyer, and shut up.
A basic "what happened" won't hurt you initially, and may spare you a night or two in jail while it is sorted out. But, if you start being told your rights, you ought to have enough sense to lawyer up (I'm an officer, and I would).
Do not have the weapon in your hands when we come through the door.
Holster it, set it down, put it out of sight, whatever... Just don't have it in your hands, or your hand on it when the officer walks in.
Remember, as an officer responding to such a call, I have to make a split second decision on whether or not you are the bad guy, and the homeowner is shot, or if you are the good guy, and the bad guy is shot... Dispatch may have given me some part of the story, but they are often wrong or their details are limited. The situation will be assessed by the officer who walks in that door... And, our training tells us how fast someone can go from "low-ready" to shooting us. You won't have long to comply, needless to say (so it is best to just not have it in your hand if it is at all avoidable).
If the situation dictates that you keep the weapon trained on the attacker (say he is still a threat at this point), then think about your muzzle direction, your body language, and communicate clearly (and listen closely) when officers do arrive.
Communicate these details to dispatch "This guy is still a threat, but I have him at gun point. I am a White/Black/Hispanic Male/Female, and I am wearing a Blue shirt with white pants... Tell the officers so they don't shoot me. I can't set the gun down yet".
That information could make a huge difference for everyone's safety!
Otherwise, I don't care if you leave the gun loaded or not. We'll figure out how many shots were fired anyway, with a reasonable degree of certainty (I would personally leave it loaded).
As for your hearing, interesting things happen psychologically/physiologically to a lot of folks when they shoot another person in a deadly force encounter. Many folks (the majority) report things like tunnel vision and that they never heard the sound of the gunfire! For some reason a person's hearing doesn't seem effected by this specific type of shooting (unlike a range environment on paper), and many folks report being able to hear just fine immediately after the shots are over and the adrenaline drops a bit. I can't remember all of the fancy terminology that is thrown around for this, but it does happen.
Case in point: One of my shift partners was involved in a shooting not too long ago. Seven officers fired, and one of the officers was firing a rifle just inches from my partner's head. He told me he never even heard it!
AS FOR THE LAWYER ADVICE:
The same applies for officers and citizens involved in shootings, in my opinion. If you are mirandized, you are being looked at for criminal charges. Politely request the presence of a lawyer, and shut up.
A basic "what happened" won't hurt you initially, and may spare you a night or two in jail while it is sorted out. But, if you start being told your rights, you ought to have enough sense to lawyer up (I'm an officer, and I would).
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A couple posts above have content about whether you can hear immediately following a shooting...
They have covered what happens when you discharge a firearm without hearing protection under everyday circumstances, and they are by and large correct. You get trauma to your cochlea, and can’t hear very well. Sometimes you suffer permanent damage. I’ve seen a cochlea that was ruptured from a firearm being shot right next to the ear. In this case, a young father thought it would be fun to startle his daughter by sneaking up behind her and firing a revolver next to her head…
But who cares about that: during immense stress, you may suffer from a number issues. Some call it a side affect of adrenal stress; some consider it a separate response to the outside stress… Either way, physical responses stress of this magnitude are numerous. One of them, one of the more frequent responses, is auditory exclusion. Another is tunnel vision.
Your diminished ability to hear sound during stress is largely unrelated to the proximity of you to the firearm. Hearing will gradually return, and you very well may be able to hear relevant commands from the police after a self defense shooting.
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They have covered what happens when you discharge a firearm without hearing protection under everyday circumstances, and they are by and large correct. You get trauma to your cochlea, and can’t hear very well. Sometimes you suffer permanent damage. I’ve seen a cochlea that was ruptured from a firearm being shot right next to the ear. In this case, a young father thought it would be fun to startle his daughter by sneaking up behind her and firing a revolver next to her head…
But who cares about that: during immense stress, you may suffer from a number issues. Some call it a side affect of adrenal stress; some consider it a separate response to the outside stress… Either way, physical responses stress of this magnitude are numerous. One of them, one of the more frequent responses, is auditory exclusion. Another is tunnel vision.
Your diminished ability to hear sound during stress is largely unrelated to the proximity of you to the firearm. Hearing will gradually return, and you very well may be able to hear relevant commands from the police after a self defense shooting.
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There was a segment on COPS yesterday about an SD shooting . the one where the BG comes in the trailer W/ a shotgun & a revolver & has the revolver taken from him by the home owner, who then shoots him.
Two things I noticed
1. the home owner was in shock,he was totally freaked out & apparently didn't realize that he had killed the BG. I doubt very seriously that he had the presence of mind to ask for a lawyer.
2. The FIRST thing the cop did after securing the scene was seperate the witnesses, that right there should get you thinking.
But remember in this case there were a half a dozen witnesses who ALL said it was self defence, so I doubt there was ever a thought of prosecution
Two things I noticed
1. the home owner was in shock,he was totally freaked out & apparently didn't realize that he had killed the BG. I doubt very seriously that he had the presence of mind to ask for a lawyer.
2. The FIRST thing the cop did after securing the scene was seperate the witnesses, that right there should get you thinking.
But remember in this case there were a half a dozen witnesses who ALL said it was self defence, so I doubt there was ever a thought of prosecution
John4me05
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My only comment is about hearing...
Granted its more perceived indoors but i fall back to my hunting experience... When i shoot at the range if my ears arent plugged i get ringing and hearing reduction for a spell of time.. But when i am firing on a critter in the woods with my 357 revolver, 30-06, even 12 guage... I dont notice the recoil, muzzle blast, anything... I have perfect hearing afterwards as i have been able to hear and locate deer running 60-100yds away for a second shot chance... When your adrenaline is pumping all sort of weird things happen...
Granted its more perceived indoors but i fall back to my hunting experience... When i shoot at the range if my ears arent plugged i get ringing and hearing reduction for a spell of time.. But when i am firing on a critter in the woods with my 357 revolver, 30-06, even 12 guage... I dont notice the recoil, muzzle blast, anything... I have perfect hearing afterwards as i have been able to hear and locate deer running 60-100yds away for a second shot chance... When your adrenaline is pumping all sort of weird things happen...
When I took LFI-1, Ayoob made a number of recommendations, including:
1) orient yourself so you can see the police when they arrive.
2) holster the gun prior to the arrival of the police.
3) have your hands conspicuously in the open when the police arrive.
1) orient yourself so you can see the police when they arrive.
2) holster the gun prior to the arrival of the police.
3) have your hands conspicuously in the open when the police arrive.
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bsf said:
Not to mention defending oneself against civil suits.
Never fire merely because lethal force is justified -- fire only when it's required.
Scan for other threats, reload, scan for other threats, reholster.
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This is correct along with the other advice given about not having the gun in your hand.
I could set it down gently on the ground from a standing position TWICE in that amount of time.
You will not have a few seconds to put your gun down. The way we trained in the agency I worked for was to tell them to drop the gun and shoot unless there was immediate compliance. If the gun was holstered or stuck in a belt I sure as heck wouldn't tell the guy to take it out and drop it. Why would I want to get his gun in his hand if it's holstered? I'd have him put his hands on his head and wait for help to cuff and disarm him.
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This is correct along with the other advice given about not having the gun in your hand.
I could set it down gently on the ground from a standing position TWICE in that amount of time.
You will not have a few seconds to put your gun down. The way we trained in the agency I worked for was to tell them to drop the gun and shoot unless there was immediate compliance. If the gun was holstered or stuck in a belt I sure as heck wouldn't tell the guy to take it out and drop it. Why would I want to get his gun in his hand if it's holstered? I'd have him put his hands on his head and wait for help to cuff and disarm him.
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1. Keep Shooting until threat is neutralized - don't think that just because the BG falls he is no longer a threat.
2. Reload your gun - there may be others
3. Make sure there are no other "threats"
4. Identify potential witnesses and urge them to remain but stay away from scene.
5. Call Lawyer -have lawyer card in wallet next to CCW
6. Call 911 - Tell them:
7. Hang Up The Phone - do NOT say anything else to 911 operator - all 911 calls are recorded and you do not know what you might say that will come back to you later.
8. When you are certain there are no more threats put your gun out of sight.
9. When Police arrive tell them only your name and where your gun is - SAY NOTHING ELSE! If Police pressure you about what happened tell them you will make a statement after you have conferred with your lawyer. Be prepared that Police may handcuff you or make you lay on the floor until they sort out who-is-who.
10. When Lawyer arrives advise him privately of the circumstances and let him prepare a statement for you.
1. Keep Shooting until threat is neutralized - don't think that just because the BG falls he is no longer a threat.
2. Reload your gun - there may be others
3. Make sure there are no other "threats"
4. Identify potential witnesses and urge them to remain but stay away from scene.
5. Call Lawyer -have lawyer card in wallet next to CCW
6. Call 911 - Tell them:
1. your name
2. shots fired
3. send Police
4. send medical
5. your location.
2. shots fired
3. send Police
4. send medical
5. your location.
7. Hang Up The Phone - do NOT say anything else to 911 operator - all 911 calls are recorded and you do not know what you might say that will come back to you later.
8. When you are certain there are no more threats put your gun out of sight.
9. When Police arrive tell them only your name and where your gun is - SAY NOTHING ELSE! If Police pressure you about what happened tell them you will make a statement after you have conferred with your lawyer. Be prepared that Police may handcuff you or make you lay on the floor until they sort out who-is-who.
10. When Lawyer arrives advise him privately of the circumstances and let him prepare a statement for you.
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Isn't a lot of how you will be treated dependent on your local and state attitude towards private citizens possessing firearms in the first place? If you are in New York City or Massachusetts you're going to be treated very differently by the first responders and subsequently by the legal system than you are likely to be treated in say, rural Georgia.
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