What to Look For In an Indoor Shooting Range...

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Here's a question for the group. What dshould one look for in a quality gun range? This includes the use of handguns and long guns.

I visited my nearest range today. It recently changed ownership. They have seven or eight hand guns lanes and a few less lanes for longuns. The handgun lanes are fairely well lit and about 50 yards deep. The long gun lanes are apprx 100 yards deep and with many dark shadows. Basically, shooters stand there and fire at targets that can be pulled in or moved out electrically.

There is a bench rest at each station but opportunity to squat, move, and practice quick maneuvers are out.

What do you think a good, top shelf range should provide in terms of the overall set up and the types of practive that should be allowed?

Is it better to locate an outdoor range? THe nearest one to me requires that you view your target with a spotting scope but you can not change targets or go get them.
 
The indoor ranges I've seen in So Cal have all been pistol ranges that allowed rifles in pistol calibers up to 44 magnum. Since space is at a premium, 25 yards seems to be an acceptable distance...besides, I rarely shoot beyond 25 yards outdoors anyway.
The ranges I like have good ventilation, clean, well lit shooting area, easy to operate target tacts, good, knowledgabe employees, vending machines for sodas/snacks in lounge area and the employees are relatively strict in enforcing the rules. I've seen too many a-holes playing around and being dangerous.
 
An indoor range is going to have several drawbacks... the plusses are: easy to do low-light practice and you can shoot regardless of the weather (practicing in bad weather is what I prefer, but it ain't for everyone.)

It sounds like th outdoor range that you found is set up for rifle shooting.. again, not the best self-defense practice area.

I'm spoiled and lucky, I shoot in my back yard. Legally. With a great backstop. I can shoot while moving, at a variety of angles and distances, from my car, with multiple targets, with multiple shooters, etc,etc,etc.

If you can find a remote spot like that to train in, you've accomplished a lot. If you're only constraints are ones based on your skill level and safety concerns, you are going to be able to train in a much more realistic manner.

Earlier this afternoon, I had the pleasure of shooting steel in just such an environment. I shot 100 rounds, all of them while moving towards, away from or parallel to the steel (4 poppers). All targets were engaged until the targets went down from ranges as close as 5' (not recommended against steel) and as far as 20-25'. I shot one handed and from a rentention postion although 80% of my shots were two handed. I never fired more than 8-9 shots in a string (most less than 5) and drew from a variety of positions/facings relative to the targets. not every target was engaged on every string. I fired 50 .40 and 50 9mm... some angles required multiple hits from the 9mm to put the steel down and most of the time I had the option of at least double-tapping the target on the way down.
You just can't do that kind of shooting at an indoor range or most public outdoor ranges. Safety concerns built around the lowest common denominator hold back those serious about defensive shooting.

With that last paragraph in mind... try to find a place that might evaluate your skill level and "make exceptions" to the rules when you are there by yourself or with similarly motivated/skilled shooters.

Next Step: Join up with a local IDPA club and start using their competitions as training sessions.

Good Luck.
 
I have only shot 2 indoor ranges, both out of state. One was large, and allowed draw from holster, and limited defensive practice. After regular scheduled stuff allowed to set up barriers for IDPA/IPSC practice. Nice place.

Second one , handguns only, and none of the above allowed. Small lanes and not very well vented.

Tomorrow, I will have to shoot in our local indoor range. Never have been in there. Just was advised due to 25 yd limit, and design "you'll feel like your shooting in a tunnel". Gunsmith said /advised" screw it, front sight press,quailfy and go home". I'd rather shoot outdoors in the wind and rain.
 
-Good ventilation
-Bulletproof station partitions
-Good lights
-Electric carriers
-Employees who are very supportive of you kicking idiots off the range.
-No stupid rules like no controlled rapid fire or that all ammo shot there must be purchased there.
-A backstop rated for rifles is also very nice.
 
When I visit an indoor range, the things I like to see are:

Rifle usage

25yd. minium distance

reactive targets available

Well-lit and ventilated

Clean

No "shots per second" rules

No restrictions on ammo usage

Rental guns

Cheap ammo

That's relatively common. If there were a 25/50 yd. pistol line and a 50/100 yd rifle line, I would never wish to be on an outdoor range. One thing to note is that most pistol lines will have a shelf mounted at about mid chest, while rifle line tend to have shelfs placed so that you can bench the gun. If it were possible to swing the shelves out of the way to allow position practice, I would truly be in heaven.
 
There's a pretty nice range in Charlotte. It has moveable benches in all the lanes so you can practice from different positions.

The downside was a severe lack of space, in general. There was nowhere to sit if you had to wait of lanes to come open. There was little room for shooting from prone. The atmosphere was dingy. The employees seemed disinterested.

It's not hard to figure out what folks would be happy with.
 
If you have access to a 25 yd. indoor range I think you should count yourself lucky. Where I shoot we have a 50ft. range with 5 shooting stations and poor lighting. The only advantage is that you can pretty much practice anything you want as long as the range is not crowded. (No steel). The closest 25 yd. range is about an hour away while this one is 10 minutes travel. Kind of a no brainer.
 
The thing that troubles me is standing at a shooting station and looking immediately overhead. Counting the bullet holes there or within two or three feet of the bench gives you some idea of who frequents the range and the kind of active monitoring the range has. I've gotten chills up my spine at some ranges because of this. I keep hoping that whoever was that careless isn't at the range when I am. If I have the luxury, I alway try to take a station well away from others.

RJ
 
Our range here in Albuquerque is pretty nice...

-18 Lanes, 25 yards
-Electric target carriers
-Excellent air circulation and lighting
-Clean restrooms
-Several food and drink vending machines and a water fountain
-Fully stocked gun shop on site
-Good selection of rental firearms
-Friendly and knowledgable staff
-Few shooting restrictions. No restrictions on handguns, the only restriction on shotguns is no head shots on silhouette targets to avoid ceiling damage. Rifles up to 30-30 are permitted. Full auto is okay (and fun to watch).
-Free eye and ear protection just in case you forget yours or need a set for a buddy.

A very nice place to shoot. About my only dislike is that you have to use range provided targets, of which they have about 6 to choose from. I can still stick on my own orange dots or shoot-n-see targets though so I can live with it.
 
My two cents:

Letting you bring your own targets (rather than purchasing theirs) and letting you shoot handloads.
 
Nice to see another Austinite!

I take it your speaking about Cook's SureShot up north. Red's south is a bit better for lighting and the width of the lanes. However, they've yet to put up any sound dampening materials and it's rather loud in there. I double up on the hearing protection when shooting there, especially rifles. (Last night the VEPR .308 and Mosin M38 seemed to be bothering other shooters) I have a membership with Red's and split my shooting between both locations. I live north, work south.

I've started considering outdoor ranges.... A couple of friends joined the Austin Rifle Club to use their range, and I've heard mixed reviews of the range out on Hamilton Pool Rd on the west side of the city. I had an opportunity to shoot at a nice outdoor range in College Station recently and the outdoors is so much nicer for lighting, sound, and of course ventilation.

Somethings I'd like to see improve at local indoor ranges:
-Sound dampening (like at Bass Pro in Dallas, very effective)
-More enforcement of range rules. Encouraging new shooters is important, but they need SUPERVISION. I don't like pistols pointing anything but down range, gangsta style shooting, or other unsafe practices. A large portion of the rental business is newbie college students, newbie macho guys, etc. Rentals are relatively lucrative (gun, ammo, targets, and time all make money) but more attention needs to be given to safety.
-Ability to bring my own targets
-Better Ventilation, I get this sickly sweet taste in my mouth after shooting at Cook's from all the fumes and smoke that aren't being evacuated by the HVAC system

My Dream Indoor Range would:
- Extensive rental selection, including Class III items
- Allow me to bring my own ammo and targets
- Wide shooting lanes with reliable target carriers
- Observant, trained, and active range officers
- Good ventilation and lighting
- Hands on training available, not just basics
- Complimentary eye and ear protection
- Reasonable or no caliber restrictions (.50BMG ok, I can accept)
- Good Hours!
- Events like bowl pin, defensive training, etc
- Ability to do CCW training including from draw, different shooting positions, low light, and shooting on the move.

The last is the hardest obviously, for safety and other reasons folks have already mentioned. I realize that for practical training getting used to gun noise is important, but if I'm shooting targets for two hours I'd like to retain some hearing!
 
Thanks Drannor.....I was indeed referring to Cooks Sure Shot (Red's North). Good to have another Austinite on the board.


I've heard of the "Austin Gun Club". Is that the same as the "Austin Rifle Club" that you mentioned? If so, where is it and how do you contact them. I think it's a private operation.

I checked out Austin Skeet and Rifle Range just north of Manor and was disappointed.

Red's North is ok but dark on the rifle side and poor ventilation.
 
Location, location, and location.

For REAL shooting, there's outdoor tactical matches.

Indoor matches are for slow nights (no girlfriend, and I don't drink, go clubbing or watch movies), making sure the gun works, and 'social' shooting (bored, call a friend and we go bust caps), and teaching new shooters.
 
Thanks Drannor....this is different and something I'm going to check out........

Appreciate it and good shooting to you...........
 
King:
Have you tried the outdoor range in Leander? I think the name is Eagle Peak or something like that. It is somewhat isolated and you have to take some side roads. I drove by there once to see what it looked like but didn't go in. Did the price of membership to Red's go up?
 
Hey Tman...Eagle Peak is off Hamilton Pool Road I think and not that close to Leander. I've not heard of any reports on that place but I have seen it.

I'm in the process of checking out the Austin Rifle Club. I'm going to a meeting on Thursday night. They appear to have a nice, clean, 27 acre place that has it all. It also has a lot of rules so I'll have to see what's up.

Red's is about $10 an hour...a bit dark, ventilation not that good, target carriers that don't always work, targets I don't like all that much and cramped. Paying by the hour is also a distraction of sorts.

That's why I'm either want to identify the qualities of a good indoor range of find a good place to shoot outside and be able to do so on my own terms. That would include practice in different positions.
 
Since I manage an indoor range I can provide some useful info on this one.

First, for those that would like to bring your own ammunition, how do you expect the range to make enough money to stay in business? Most ranges require you to use their ammunition because they have to cover the expense of building and running the place. The bullet trap probably averages $2,200.00 per linear foot. Ten lanes, four foot on center, will run you 88,000 and this does not include the air handeling units and filtration (probably the most expensive part), the target carriers, lighting, the building itself, insurance, electricity, payroll, retail goods, advertising, security.... I could continue but I'm sure you get the point. It will cost about 2 Million dollars to build a decent indoor range to do much of what people here want and that money has to come from somewhere. Along the same lines some have mentioned a reasonable price for ammunition and I can agree with that, as long as you understand that many of you are likely being unreasonable. We have a shop and range in Virginia that used to have a sign at their place that said "If you bought it at Wal Mart, shoot it at Wal Mart". I always kind of liked that, I often hear people complain about having to buy ammunition from us because it is cheaper at Wal Mart. You see, Wal Mart is not paying my overhead and I don't have several thousand locations across the country bringing in a few billion dollars a year that allows me to use loss leaders to draw in business. That multi billion dollars of business also gives them purchasing power far beyond my means but I digress. A dollar more a box than a regular gunshop (not wallyworld) is certainly reasonable. Another ammunition related point, some types of traps require certain limitations. Some traps can be damaged by hollow points and some surplus ammunition can be a fire hazard. Some of the cheap surplus ammunition (and even new commercial stuff now that I think of it) has a mild steel jacket. This can throw a spark under some conditions and most every range will have a certain amount of unburnt powder littering the floor along with paper debris from targets and target backers. A mild steel jacket can also cause some types of traps to spit bullets and bullet fragments back at the shooter with enough force to break the skin from time to time. Every supplier of ammunition used on our range is backed with a certificate of insurance and a million dollar bond (or better), do you have that for your reloads?

Capt. Bligh was concerned about those pesky bulletholes overhead and, quite frankly, so am I. Please remember that most ranges have been in operation for quite some time and run through quite a bit of ammunition. In our case about 800,000 each year, invariably some of them don't go where we want them to. Good news is we have never had one cause any real harm. A good safety plan is necessecary, all staff should be at least NRA Range Safety Officers and if the place is busy a range safety should be on the floor but this will add to the overhead. During slower moments electronic monitoring should suffice. To add to your piece of mind I will tell you that most all range dividers on the market will stop even the nastiest handgun rounds and you would probably have to put some effort into accidently lob a rifle round into one.

My idea of a quality indoor range? I will give you a short list of what we are trying to build, let me know what else I should add.

34-36 lanes in three bays (10, 14-16, 10) all rifle rated out to 35 yards

AIS interactive system in middle bay

Well lit range, controled from each position

Decent climate control (hard when you need to exchange air 10 times each hour)

Good sound abatement

Range floor visible from the retail shop

At least 75 rental guns to include machineguns and other NFA items

2 classrooms, one must be big enough for 30+ students

Running man target and 180 degree capability in one bay (10 lane) to be used for IDPA and advanced training

Turning targets in above mentioned bay

3+ lanes of reactive targets, mostly steel

All I need is about 2.2 million dollars...
 
Jake, Sounds like a nice place with some nice ammenities. 34 lanes or so is lot (at least for around here). You didn't say how wide they are but in my view, it might be good to have fewer but wider lanes. Wide means two people can operate efficiently in one lane (teacher/student, husband/wife, father/son) and you aren't tripping over your range bag and gun cases.

I agree with you that the range owner need to make a profit. It also appears that many ranges also include a gun shop. I'm not sure how much of the profit comes from the range piece of the action alone. Either way, the average gun range guest will show up becasue it's the only range around or they are expecting to have a good experience based on previous visits.

Recommendation, put some big clocks in the area for shooters to see easily. If you charge by the hour, not everyone has a watch.

You didn't say how you will charge but a flat rate would be preferable to "by the hour" if possible. For me, it would take a bg bite out of my weekly allowance if I have to spend ~$15 range fee, 150 rounds of ammo at ~$30, and $5 for targets and a drink or $50 a visit. If it's dark, fumes, many target carriers malfunctions, or waiting for an hour until someone finishes up would make for a less than desirable outing.

Why don't you open up in my town.....sounds like you would get some good business.
 
Our current policy is to charge an 8 dollar range fee (5 for LEO, military, fire and rerscue and security), officially this is per hour but as long as there is no wait you can stay as long as you like.

Lanes will be four foot wide to include dividers.

Yes, 34-36 lanes is big for us too but we have a few plans to fill the place. Three bays are needed to avoid shutting down business to the regular walk in trade if we have special events that need their own range space.
 
Don't know much about indoor ranges, I work at an outdoor range and do my shooting there.
Since you mentioned outdoor ranges in your post just thought that I'd comment about the good lighting,ventilation and space to bring friends or ALOT of gear. All +'s for me.

Just for fun and input, what do ya'll see as "needed improvements" for Range Personnel?
 
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