what type of malfunction is this?

[cz93]

hello all I am new to this forum but have been browsing it as a guest for quite a while. when going out to the range today I had a malfunction with my beretta 92a1. this was quite disappointing because I thought I would never really have any malfunctions with this firearm. I have only put about maybe 250-300 rounds threw it. the malfunction I had was when I fired it, it extracted the spent casing properly but when it went to feed one in the chamber one bullet appeared to have been chambered properly but another bullet was stuck in between the chambered round and the slide (like it stripped two bullets off the magazine I'm guessing). is this defined as a failure to feed? and what causes this problem? my magazine lips appear to all be okay so I don't know. any help is greatly appreciated

 

[9mmepiphany]

Sounds like a double feed.

Is this happening with both your magazines?
Which brand are the magazines you are using?
Are they magazines for the correct chambering?

 

[cz93]

I am using the 3 beretta magazine that came with the pistol. it only happened one time and I forgot to mark which magazine it happened with (wasn't thinking).

 

[1911Tuner]

The round in the chamber jumped the lips when the slide impacted the frame and the slide stripped the next round and tried to feed it.

It's a magazine problem...specifically a magazine spring problem.

 

[MikeJackmin]

Next time if happens (if it does) set the magazine aside. You can get a replacement magazine spring here for seven bucks:

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/677988/wolff-magazine-spring-beretta-92-10-pct-extra-power

That would probably fix it.

If you like, there's no harm in just replacing all of them, it might not be necessary but if you are using the gun for serious purposes it can be a good idea.

 

[Schwing]

Mine started doing this a couple of years ago. I have had this gun for a LONG time and had never had any issues like this.

In my case, it ended up being the magazine lever release spring. It is a little A shaped spring behind the mag release lever. It had become bent and was pushing the mag release out away from the frame. I am almost positive this happened when I was putting it back together after a cleaning. I dropped it putting it away and, in my attempt to grab it mid-air, I launched it 15 feet across the room. It was only a few thousandths but it was enough to cause the exact issue you are describing. I didn't even replace the spring. It just needed to be reseated in the right position and I have not had a hiccup since.

 

[moxie]

Have you ever cleaned your mags? You could have some gunk or crud in there that's causing the follower to hang up, mimicking a weak spring.

Try taking them down and cleaning well with solvent, especially the follower and inside the feed lips. Reassemble dry with NO lube at all.

See if that solves your problem.

I tend to think this is the problem rather than a weak spring since it's only happened once.

 

[RustyShackelford]

Feeding; problems with magazines...

When I had a 92F series in the US military(MPs, 1991-1993) I saw a few "double feeds" with the 124gr FMJ NATO rounds. It was a common problem that was easy to clear.
As noted, magazines are a source of many semi auto pistol issues.
Id agree with disassembly & cleaning/inspection of the pistol magazines.
I would advise not to use excessive amounts of CLP or gun oil on the mag parts or internals of the Beretta magazines.
M9s/92-96 models are easy to field strip & service. Tear it down & check to see if any parts may be damaged or worn out.

Years ago, in the late 1990s, I had a minor problem with my Beretta 96D .40S&W. It was treated with Robar NP3(NP3 on the magazines too). A tiny speck of brass became stuck in the rear of the slide by the firing pin area.

I cleaned it, put it together & it shot fine.
That mishap is a 1 in a 100,000 thing but they can happen.

 

[mljdeckard]

When I deployed, I took my own mags. Sounds like a double feed. I show all my concealed carry students this video, he explains it as well as I ever could.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfyULpEhmug

 

[cz93]

thank you for all the help guys I'll clean all of the magazine's out and keep an eye out if it happens again

 

[Drail]

My advice would be to replace all of your magazine springs with quality ones. (Wolff). The factories buy the cheapest bulk springs they can find. A weak mag spring will turn a reliable gun into a single shot. Do you by chance leave your magazines fully loaded all the time?

 

[BSA1]

My advice would be to replace all of your magazine springs with quality ones. (Wolff).

Ditto. It is my routine practice to replace the springs in all of my magazines with Wolff 5% extra power springs. A 3 pack is only $17.29. Very cheap insurance.

http://www.gunsprings.com/Semi-Auto Pistols/BERETTA/92, 96, AND CENTURION/cID1/mID2/dID36

 

[kokapelli]

I am now convinced that Global Warming is not our biggest threat, it is our magazine springs that are causing all our problems

 

[Ramone]

this was quite disappointing because I thought I would never really have any malfunctions with this firearm. I have only put about maybe 250-300 rounds threw it.

two things struck me about the above snippet.


I've noticed a few times in recent years, that some shooters expect to NEVER have a failure with a firearm. Once, upon seeing my 1911 stovepipe (once!), a fellow advised me to 'get rid of that thing- it's not reliable...' in thousands and thousands of rounds through it, that particular pistol has malfed about 5-10 times- never any particular pattern to the malfunctions, and I usually just attribute it to a bad round.

reality is, nothing is going to be 100% reliable, given enough time. Working Malfunction drills is part of the process of learning to run the gun.

if you've run less than 300 rounds through it, it's still breaking in- and there is likely as not a chance that you haven't learned to clean and lube it properly- or you're grip might be a little wrong, or at least was in that specific moment.

as I write, it as occurs to me that your issue may not be the pistol- or a mag, or yourself. It might have been a bad round- a little too hot, or a little too weak, or a little over or under- seated.

it might have been a burr on the case, or some grit in the mag, or any of a dozen things you won't see again, as well.

SO!

first step, mark your mags, so if you do run into an issue, you can single out the questionable magazine. Learn to take down an reassemble the mags ( and pay attention- the springs go in one way right, and multiple ways wrong, and IMX, Wolff X-tra Power springs never hurt while you're in there.

Pay some attention to the ammo- you needn't break out a grain scale and micrometer every time you load up, but do take a little extra time to look at what you are putting in your mags. Things like high (or missing) Primers, or buckled necks, or miss-seated bullets do happen, and they are not hard to spot. Pay attention to what you're buying, as well- One of my pistols is a little fussy if I feed it 230gr SXT- nothing else is an issue, but the SXT ammo will FTF about 1 of 100 rounds.

Don't expect the pistol to never malf. learn to deal with FTE, FTF, etc.,

PS- some of this is written under the assumption that your experience is limited- if it's not, please don't take offense at my error.