What would you do? Kimber CS

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You missed my point. If you replace the muffler bearing on my M5 and a month later it's rattling, I'm not going to rant and rave demanding a complete refund and immediate repair. I will be polite, but direct, but I won't be asking or saying please.

And the issue would be handled expediently, but that sort of approach neither helps nor hinders the process. If you came in and said "the (insert part) you installed is (insert complaint) and I need you to replace it under your warranty", I wouldn't be put off, but I also wouldn't feel that I owed you anything beyond that. And if you had eclipsed the warranty, you'd be paying again. You may be in the right, but trying to dictate to the company how or when a repair or product replacement will be handled won't get you further ahead, even if you are being polite.

However, if you came in and said "I'm sorry to bother you, but think there may be something wrong with (repair-related item, or symptom), do you think you could have a look?", your vehicle would be in right away and not only would the issue be handled ASAP (maybe even if it were a bit out of warranty), but you'd probably get something like a free oil change on top of it.

And yes, I will still deal with a warranty repair if the customer is a jerk. But it takes longer, I'll look with a microscope for any indication that the failure was a result of misuse/abuse or failure to handle a closely related problem (for which a warranty may be void), and future service may even be denied once the warranty has expired.

You can't really understand how this works from the business' end unless/until you're a business owner. But no matter the industry, a customer's/consumer's attitude has a tremendous effect on the outcome when dealing with warranty stuff. Remember, warranty costs a business money. Period. If they feel they've lost you as a customer already, why should they give anything they don't absolutely have to to make you happy?

And when it's a larger company like Kimber, you have to remember that you're dealing with multiple people. If you fly off the handle at the poor guy who happened to answer the CS line, he probably hasn't a clue about your particular case until that moment. Well, tick him off and he's liable to go out of his way to bump you down on the list. After all, it won't affect his paycheck and it'll give him some satisfaction in the getting even department, because this is the only way he can retaliate for your being nasty. And he's not gonna lose sleep over it, for sure.

Like I said, guilt the manufacturer (or service provider) by being humble and apologetic, you're likely to get more out of it. He's a fool who lets his pride get in the way of benefitting. There is a time and a place for being stern or even aggressive/nasty when dealing with a company. But that should be a last resort, when all other avenues have failed, and you should make sure the person you're dealing with is familiar with your problem, is deserving of the treatment, and has the power to do something about it. Otherwise, all you've done raised two people's blood pressure and no one is better off for it.
 
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Makes me feel better about my $279 KelTec PF9 which has over 1,000 trouble free rounds through it.
 
Guess I don't have enough civilian in me. Out.

Seems to me one of the foremost things learned in military service is how to always be humble, respectful and polite to those who may not deserve it. The stakes of not being able to swallow your pride and do that are much higher in the armed forces (or paramilitary organizaions like LEA's & fire departments) than in civilian life............
 
Polite, respectful and to the point. Groveling went the way of Rocks and Shoals.

We also learned to take the "high road" and correct our mistakes no matter how we were approached.
 
This is why I don't really ever have warranty work done.

Now understand, I'm a Kimber guy and a Kimber defender, but I have a few problems with calling the manufacturer when I have a problem with something.

1. They screwed it up the first time. In calling them for help, you are saying; "I know you are the one who dropped the ball in the first place, but I'm sure you will know what you are doing the second time." Why should I trust the guy who messed it up in the first place to fix it correctly?

2. My time is more valuable than that. In situations like this one, you can send it, and it SHOULD be fast and simple, but any of a number of things might delay the process. I realize that they aren't magical, and that they can't teleport it back and forth, and some things just take time, but I don't want to wait. I'm not a guy who keeps duplicates on hand, and if my carry gun is down, I'm without it until it comes back. I would rather (especially for a small problem like a mag release) have a local guy fix it and pay for it out of pocket. Having it done quickly outweighs the principle of forcing the manufacturer clean up their mess.

3. This is why I don't really care how good their customer service is. I never use it. I have talked to guys in here who say, "Anyone can make a mistake, and the real test is giving them a chance to make it right." No. The test was wanting them to get it right the first time. My Kimber is the best handgun I have ever owned, I would buy another one in two seconds, because I have never had to find out whether or not their customer service is good.

If I was you, I would talk to a local smith, and tell them to send it back as-is.
 
Groveling went the way of Rocks and Shoals.

There is quite some distance between the approach I describe and groveling or begging. It's become obvious, though, that you either don't really see what it is that I'm saying, don't believe it actually works, or just feel like being argumentative. At no point have I suggested that a company shouldn't provide proper warranty service, only that there are several ways to get it handled, some of which work better than others. Your proposed approach isn't the worst, but it's also not one that is going to make anyone want to go out of their way to please you.

This is why I don't really care how good their customer service is. I never use it. I have talked to guys in here who say, "Anyone can make a mistake, and the real test is giving them a chance to make it right." No. The test was wanting them to get it right the first time.

Then you would be fine with no one ever giving you a second chance?

I bet you're not so staunch on this policy with your automobile warranty. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think only a fool would pay to have something repaired or replaced that's under manufacturer warranty. It's not just about giving them a chance to make it right, it's about sound financial decisions. I don't know too many people who can afford to throw away money like that, and I've never met a self-made wealthy person who got that way by unnecessarily parting with the money they now have to spare.
 
Your proposed approach isn't the worst, but it's also not one that is going to make anyone want to go out of their way to please you.

In other words you expect more than politeness and respect. Got it.
 
I don't have to mail my car back to Tokyo to get it fixed.

If I were in a business like that, I would consider second chances to be pure mercy. The gun market is far too saturated to expect loyalty after bad mistakes.

But like I say. My Kimber has been fantastic.
 
I don't have to mail my car back to Tokyo to get it fixed.

And they give me another truck to drive and apologize (to me) for the problem. If you want a second chance I expect some groveling (that was a joke).
 
Having the finish rubbed off "inside" the frame is not a defect. Almost all semi autos do that. Having a mag catch that is out of spec is not all that unusual either. They should send you a new one and then you spend 10 seconds installing it. Pretty small potatoes.
 
In other words you expect more than politeness and respect. Got it.

Stop trying to read between the lines. I say what I mean, there's no need for it. Furthermore, I simply used my own experiences both as a customer and as a business owner to illustrate to the OP how one might better achieve what they desire. Why you chose to attack that by insinuating that there's something wrong with my business practices I don't really understand, though this exchange has given me an opportunity to go into more detail.

You can, however, abandon the self righteous and condescending tone. If there were a problem with my conduct, I wouldn't have been able to build a very successful business started at the height of this recession and using nothing but free advertisements and word of mouth. My business is 82% referral and repeat, and I have enough to do that I could work every hour of every day if I didn't need sleep and had no other obligations.

My original purpose in posting in this thread was having learned on both ends of the equation what works best most of the time to get what you want from a company. If you don't agree, that's your perogative. If you feel that getting more for free isn't worth the less prideful approach I suggested, that's your business and it seems that you accept that it'll likely get you nothing beyond what's expressly provided for within a warranty. That doesn't change the fact that it works. It gets my customers more than they're owed from me, and it's almost always gotten me faster service with greater benefits.
 
Stop trying to read between the lines. I say what I mean

However, if you came in and said "I'm sorry to bother you, but think there may be something wrong with (repair-related item, or symptom), do you think you could have a look?"

I think we've both said enough.
 
I think we've both said enough

What, you want to cease this discourse because I've called you out on drawing indefensible conclusions?

What you chose to quote as a demonstration of my expectations shows no such thing. In point of fact, nowhere in this thread have I ever said what I do or do not expect. I've merely offered a few examples of how a customers actions may affect my reaction and subsequent service, and pointed out that this is not unique to me or the business I'm in.

And in keeping with the thread, I don't believe that any manufacturer or service provider, Kimber included, has expectations regarding the way customers behave when there is a problem with the product or service they received.

The customer, on the other hand, does have expectations, and it behooves him or her to analyze the problem and the expected resolution, and then decide what they can do in order to achieve the optimal result. The entire purpose of my posting (which has been readily understood by others) is that being more forgiving, more understanding, more willing to cooperate and more patient than necessary often invokes a similar response from the company of giving more than than they have to.

Very few warranties are so explicit that they outline timeframes or other compensation, and there are very few instances in which a company can't find a way out of providing that warranty service if they really try, even under the Magnuson-Moss act. Just something to keep in mind if you ever feel like becoming really nasty. The more pleasant you are to deal with, the more the company is going to want to help you. After all, you're dealing with other human beings.
 
MachIVshooter, I think we all know that you and EddieNFL have different concepts of customer service etiquette. Bla bla bla, I think he's acknowledging that fact. The meat of this thread is IMTHDUKE's experience with his Kimber Solo Carry and what the company is doing/will ultimately do for him.
 
DUKE,

I am sorry to hear about your troubles. I have dealt with Kimber in the past, and it only took once for me to realize that my money is best spent elsewhere. You may have to take a loss on this one, I did on mine...... but learned a valuable lesson in doing so. Good Luck.
 
Just to dispell a statement that has been made.

I just got off the phone with Kimber...they called me in reference to the letter I wrote them about my Solo.
I asked....true or false? Has Kimber ceased production on the Solo. CS said, absolutely, false. We are running about 5 weeks behind on getting the guns to dealers, but they are going out.
 
I have been stopped from purchasing Kimbers several times by members here and their horror stories and friends who have suffered dissapointments with many models. On this alone I would not touch their product even though I think they make a very pretty gun, and may be one of the main reasons "as Mass mentioned" for the resurgence of the 1911.
I don't want to be thinking of something going wrong before I even shoot it. But that's just me, I found that almost Half of the people who buy Kimbers have some kind of problem with them. And Kimbers attitude seems to always have been the same, we do it our way and that's it, you must be doing something wrong, the gun works great.
Who needs that crap in this economy. My local gunstore owner had a similar problem with another well known company- Para, and he was on the phone with Smith when it happened, to where the rep asked why he was so upset, gave him the same 1911 with more options from the performance shop for $300.00 less than the custom Para he was having trouble with,"he thought he couldn't afford the gun". Now "they" made it right, that's how you do it, give a competition shooter who owns a gunstore a super deal and have the gun there in a week. The rest is crap. He has all the big names in his personal collection , Brown, Baer, wilson, etc, the S&W outshoots all of them according to his scores. I dry fired it an it had one of if not the best trigger I ever felt, it broke before I had time to even think about it. I guess that's why the performance shop guns are so in demand, it did run him $1800.00, and he's a dealer, but he got it for the same price in half the time and with more options, with someone on the phone asking him what else they could do fo him.
 
They "said" in about a week....we will see.

I have one other Kimber with zero problems. I would think about selling this one when I get it back if it did not shoot so well and fit my hand like a glove.

First time ever dealing with any CS....so this is new ground for me.
 
I got to back up a sec,you have to put FIFTEEN hundred rounds thru this pistol before it's considered broken in??? Am I missing something hear. I can see 500 rounds but 1500.
You paid "X" for this pistol and now you got to spend upwards of another $500 to break it in. I must be missing the punch line to a very bad joke.
 
I've merely offered a few examples of how a customers actions may affect my reaction and subsequent service, and pointed out that this is not unique to me or the business I'm in.


So, if a customer fails your "attitude test", you will retaliate by being punitive in your response? I don't get that. It seems to me that if the problem is associated with the product, no matter the customer's posture, he/she should be accorded every polite remedy the business owner can muster. That's what good customer service should be all about. Period.
 
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