What would you do to prevent gun deaths?

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What would you do to prevent gun deaths?

The comments expose the sort of ignorance we are dealing with, such as...

Improve the economic climate in rural Pennsylvania so that bitter people stop clinging to their guns. When they relax their grip on their guns, snatch them away.

*sigh*

Keep in mind that these are city people for the most part, and they can't help themselves sometimes.
 
Improve the economic climate in rural Pennsylvania so that bitter people stop clinging to their guns. When they relax their grip on their guns, snatch them away.
Keep in mind that these are city people for the most part, and they can't help themselves sometimes.

Well, that's what we're up against.

I was tempted to say, "Issue a gun to everyone," and let them hash out the ramifications.

Authoritarian dweebs.

Oh, wait, that's maligning a group of people. Decidedly un-High Road. Sorry. :eek:
 
what amazes me is that there are those that are still singing the same old tune , even after being proven wrong . I especially like the SC comment .Apparently things are "settled" only if they are in their favor . :rolleyes:
The comment about gun industry immunity is quite amusing also . Apparently they want an inustry to be held liable for the individuals actions with a legal object .

It remains to be seen whether more or fewer gun deaths will result from a political process that in recent years: 1) engineered the appointment of a tipping-point Supreme Court vote aimed at overturning settled Second Amendment precedent; 2) gifted near-total legal immunity to the gun industry through the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (when did laws begin to be entitled by spinmeisters?); and 3) via the Tiahrt Amendments, concealed from the public previously available public gun-trace data that identify negligent (and worse) gun dealers.

The guy that go me the most was the one proposing "garnishment" for families of someone that used a gun to kill etc . We all know that family has a big impact in the development of our kids . But we need to be realistic . Even with the best household and parents , we are still going to have the ones that are just evil etc. Just another case of blaming others for the crimes and not the actual person committing them .

Just a bunch of socialist hogwash .
 
It's been said before, but it bears repeating:

"We've got a bunch of citizens who don't obey the laws currently on the books. What should we do about it?"

"Pass more laws!"

Yep, makes sense to me.
 
What would you do to prevent gun deaths?

Well, its hard to prevent guns from dieing, sometimes they just wear out. If we can't stop gun deaths, how bout we enact a law to resurrect those that have died?

It would require the owner of a dead gun to either turn it into the NRA for refurbishment, do it himself, or maybe turn it in to the manufacturer.

Would that work?
 
It seems unlikely that, for anyone alive today, the world is exactly the way they wish it would be in every detail. Because there is discordance between what is the case and what we wish the case would be, we all engage at some point in time in wishful thinking: the desire that our situation be something other than it really is.

There is certainly nothing wrong with this, and it can manifest in any number of ways — for example, in the daydreams which inspire us to make the necessary changes so that our lives will be more as we desire. When it comes to logical arguments, however, wishful thinking can create problems by blinding us to unpleasant truths and getting us to believe as true things which have little or no connection to reality.

One way in which wishful thinking can be seen in arguments is through the process of rationalization — a perversion of rational arguments in defense of an idea which you should know better than to accept and defend.

When we rationalize things, we are trying to show that it is rational to believe something we wish were true, but which in reality isn’t true and isn’t actually rational to believe. Rationalizations are common and appealing because they serve as effective means by which we can continue to believe things that make us comfortable while appearing to the whole world — and in particular to ourselves — as rational people. In other words, we appear to believe something because it is rational to do so, not because we simply want our beliefs to be true.

For example, there are people who indulge in too much alcohol, excessive drugs, smoking, poor foods, etc. while also claiming that none of it has ill effects on their health. Perhaps there are a few rare individuals out there for whom that may be true, but for the average person exactly the opposite will be the case — and when such a person offers lame arguments in defense of their claim, they are engaging in rationalizations designed to defend a belief which is based upon wishful thinking and not reality or reason.

Wishful thinking is dangerous because it impairs our ability to properly see and understand reality. There is a reason why our senses generally give us accurate information about the world around us: without accurate information, we couldn’t hope to navigate our world with any expectation of safety or success. We need to know what is going on around us if we are going to avoid danger or take advantage of opportunities.

We cannot do so, however, when our beliefs about that world are being founded upon what we wish the world were like rather than what the world really is. It’s even worse when we attempt to convince others to join us in our delusions, as if our beliefs about reality were in any way a means of changing the world into something else. Beliefs can be the cause of actions which in turn can change reality, but beliefs and wishes alone never managed to effect real innovations or transformations.

We can avoid the infection of wishful thinking in our own arguments by trying to stay attuned to what our wishes are, and thus how they might diverge from reality. If we acknowledge that we all are susceptible to wishful thinking, we may have an easier time forestalling it in what we say and write. Should we encounter this in the arguments of another, getting past it might be more difficult. It is rarely easy to get a person to see that their arguments are really rationalizations and that their wishes are not reality.

Such individuals have, almost by definition, convinced themselves that they are offering rational beliefs for empirical facts. Acknowledging that they are not is a twofold defeat: not only must they admit that they are wrong, but they must also admit that they somehow managed to engage in self-deception. But who wants to be guilty of that? This is an additional motive one may have to resist your critiques; the only way around this is to find some means of correcting them without bruising their ego, and by giving them a way to change their mind without having to admit quite so much error.

If they really do want to be as rational as they are trying to portray themselves, then eventually they will be able to look back and accept the presence of rationalization and self-deception without it being so difficult. In the meantime, however, a bit of compassion and understanding on your part will go a long way towards helping them get past their rationalizations and back on track to more defensible beliefs.
 
Dave P said:
What would you do to prevent gun deaths? Well, its hard to prevent guns from dieing, sometimes they just wear out. If we can't stop gun deaths, how bout we enact a law to resurrect those that have died? It would require the owner of a dead gun to either turn it into the NRA for refurbishment, do it himself, or maybe turn it in to the manufacturer. Would that work?

Dave P wins the thread!

All of this seems so foolish to me. I've never been able to understand the reasoning behind owning NO guns...
 
Well, if you strip out the 15-44 y/o black male demographic from the firearm homicide stats, the US is about the same as Japan (in murder per 100,000). I guess using that as a starting point is out of the question though. I know, let's ban guns. Joe
 
Well, if you strip out the 15-44 y/o black male demographic from the firearm homicide stats, the US is about the same as Japan (in murder per 100,000). I guess using that as a starting point is out of the question though. I know, let's ban guns. Joe


If we take out men altogether it drops to much lower than Japan. So are you saying we should get rid of all the men or simply all the black men 15-44? Your answer is really important to me.
 
This is not a quick-fix item.

Start with the families.
Spanking should be not only be allowed but socially acceptable and urged.
Too many women are getting pregnant with semi-unwanted kids and can't pay for raising them. They turn into gang members. The "moms" get rewarded for more kids thru our welfare system. No "mom" should get a dime of welfare unless she finds out and identifies the father so he can be pursued and made to pay for his kid(s). Fewer kids and moms on welfare equates to higher self esteem, less gang membership and better grades in school.
Welfare should be geared toward families that are really trying to help themselves and NOT toward those families and individuals that are self-perpetuating welfare recipiant producers - generation after generation.
 
"So are you saying we should get rid of all the men or simply all the black men 15-44? Your answer is really important to me."

Neither, just making an observation. Like most PC people think, my making an observation obviously has racist undertones. Joe
 
What would you do to prevent gun deaths?

Use more CLP and add some desicant to my gun safe? :evil:

Seriously though:

The question itself is stupid, though the thought behind it isn't. What people who ask that inanity real want to know is "What would you do to prevent death by homicide?". But small minded, emotionally oriented and intellectually challenged people have to narrow their focus on any problem just to wrap their minds around the problem itself so they choose a focus and work the problem from there.

A violent Death is a violent death. It really doesn't matter what the tool used to accomplish the end is.

If the anti's get their way their next question will be, "What would you do to prevent knife death?".

To answer the question though:
I'd do absolutely nothing. In order to prevent death by violence mankind would have to eliminate all those individuals with any capacity to do violence. The end result of that after a few generations: We'd become a species of sheep, incapable of defending itself against any threat. Is that what we want? I think not since it would essentially mean the end of man as a species.
 
"So are you saying we should get rid of all the men or simply all the black men 15-44? Your answer is really important to me."

Neither, just making an observation. Like most PC people think, my making an observation obviously has racist undertones. Joe

Ask a Liberal Democrat their position on abortion...:D
 
Mandatory Gun Safety classes in elementary schools.

That and making any gang affiliation a jail offense. or killed on site. (don't want to waste tax money)
 
Gun safety courses available at every school and range in America.
I taught myself gun safety through this website and others plus visiting ranges.I am safer then most average joes on the street when it comes to handling a gun and using it properly.
 
What would you do to prevent gun deaths?

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What would you do to prevent gun deaths?

Well, its hard to prevent guns from dieing, sometimes they just wear out. If we can't stop gun deaths, how bout we enact a law to resurrect those that have died?

It would require the owner of a dead gun to either turn it into the NRA for refurbishment, do it himself, or maybe turn it in to the manufacturer.

Would that work?
Dang it! Now I need to go find a towel to wipe the coffee off my monitor......
 
Simple

You want to reduce gun related deaths? It's simple. Forget political correctness. Punish criminals regardless of color or race. Make justice swift. Build more prisons if you must. Keep criminals in prison for the full sentence.
Take closed military bases and convert them to minimum security prisons. Let them grow their own food. Make them work. In medium security prison have each bed serve three prisoners. 8 hrs. rest, 8 hrs. work, 8 hrs recreation or study. Rotate shifts. Maximum security, expedite the death sentence, one year on death row is enough. carry out sentences swiftly.
If law abiding citizens felt safe on the streets, they wouldn't be "clinging to their bibles and their guns." Look at what has changed in the last 50 yrs. and reverse it.
Meanwhile I'll just cling to my guns and hope the pendulum of society will swing the other way. But as long as society makes excuses for losers nothing will change.
 
I'll go with the public education folks.

Since public schooling is what we do nowadays, institute mandatory firearms marksmanship, handling, and safety course for 6th graders. Offer advanced courses as electives, and require a refresher half-year course every other year thereafter.
 
Allow one year for all legal and illegal owners to come forward to give up these guns. Pay them whatever it is worth. After this period, anyone caught possessing such guns should face jail time (TBD). Random searches of homes to find such guns should be permitted.
(emphasis added)

This is what truly scares me.....

More on topic, education and better enforcement of current laws are my suggestion.
 
What would I do to prevent gun deaths?

Since 80% of violent crime is committed by 20% of the criminal population and whereas 73% of violent crime is committed by only 6% of the cimiminal population, I would start by releasing non-violent prisoners and making sure these animals stay locked up permanently. We've all have seen what happens when cruel thugs like Patrick Purdy get released from prison.
 
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