What? You Don't Reload?!

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I don't shoot a lot of esoteric calibers. 9mm, .40S&W, and .223. Oh, and .22LR of course.

Reloading 9mm or .223 55grn blasting ammo just isn't cost effective for me - I buy those cartridges in bulk from Georgia Arms for around $0.15/round, shipped. Very good ammo, too. Considering that the component cost for .223 runs around 13c per shot, that's a heck of a deal.

.40 I reload - that's the cartridge that I shoot the most anyhow. I'm also getting set up to reload .223, just for the heavy bullets that I run through my match gun. Probably will do .308 as well, eventually.

- Chris
 
I suppose reloading is no more or less dangerous that other high risk activities, such as driving a car. The degree of risk depends to a large degree on the operator.

As with driving a car, if you're careful you'll probably never have a problem. If you take chances, you'll get hurt eventually. People that do stupid things in life are fodder for the ER. Maybe doing something exotic like reading directions would help in most situations

I'm a pretty impatient person, bordering on the ADHD thing. I have a Dillon as I don't want to spend 5 minutes on one round. A little common sense (which unfortunately isn't very common) goes a long way.

I suspect some guys get turned off reloading because they try to load for auto pistol on a single stage. Seems like it takes forever. If that's your thing, fine. I load to shoot, not shoot to load.
 
IMO anyone that isn't smart enough to reload ammunition safely isn't smart enough to handle firearms safely.

Reloading is just a simple mechanical operation involving several components.
There are many books that spell out in great detail what components and the amount to use.
Folks talk like reloading is black magic or brain surgery.:rolleyes:
It's not as simple as screwing in a light bulb but it's not much more complicated.:)
 
eastwood44mag said:
I only reload for guns I can recover brass/hulls from. Anything semi-auto = Wolf or CCI Blazer.

Amen! I've only been doing it a couple months, but I've already sworn off picking up brass from anything that's actively throwing it several feet away from me unless it costs like a buck a shot.

Gives me an excuse to buy more revolvers, I figure. :evil:
 
My grandpa and uncle reloaded and I took it up as a teen. I'm 53 years old now, still reload. I shoot some weird calibers, too, like 7mm TCU. I don't shoot that one much anymore cause I quit going to IHMSA shoots, but you have to fire form your brass. Starline or someone probably makes it, don't know, but I just get surplus .223 and fire form it. That's the easiest way. I've never seen a 7mmTCU factory load. Do they load it? I doubt it.

I have a .257 Roberts with a few pet loads that approximate factory .25-06 stuff. Most .257 factory over the years was pretty pathetic. Handloading can really juice that caliber up!

I even have a load for my SKS for hunting using the Sierra handgun bullet, .308 caliber, 135 grain spitzer. You can't buy that load and you can't buy a load as effective if you wanna hunt deer in 7.62x39. Though that bullet is .308 diameter and SKSs are .311, it shoots 3" 100 yard groups out of both my SKSs, as good as any other load I've ever shot out of those things.

Handloading opens new horizons. If it bores, buy a progressive. I have a Dillon for my pistols.

In 45 or so years of being around reloading, I have never seen nor have I ever heard of a gun blowing up. Of COURSE it can happen. If you won't study the subject or read about it first, won't heed the warnings, or are just paranoid, or any combination there of, buy factory stuff. But, reloading is quite safe. You do kinda have to learn and read a lot and get into it. It can't just be one of those deals where you whip the press out of the box and start dumping powder. You really need to educate yourself well.
 
For anyone wanting to get into reloading, Lee has made factory refurbished equipment available at around 1/2 the cost it retails for new. The folks at Lee at great people, and they really do support getting new folks into the hobby; they don't just pay lip service.

Lee makes good dies. And their new cast press is the bees knees. For anyone just getting into it, their anniversary kit is a great start. And I used to load on a hand press for 5 years living in apartments, before we got our house.
 
Several manufacturers say do not use reloads in their weapons. And, I literallly have no room, even if I used a hand held reloader.
 
I started reloading so that I could afford to shoot my .45 auto more, and found that I'd discovered a new aspect of the hobby that I could have a lot of fun and satisfaction with. That said, for most of us in this group, shooting is a HOBBY. As long as a shooter stays safe, he should enjoy his hobby in any way he sees fit, and to blazes with anybody that says different.
Marty
 
Call me sick or twisted, but I can honestly say, I like handloading and working up new loads, almost as much as shooting! :uhoh:
 
IndianaDean said:
Several manufacturers say do not use reloads in their weapons. And, I literallly have no room, even if I used a hand held reloader.

ALL manufacturers will say that. It is strictly to cover their a$$es. They know that reloads will be used in many of their guns. Heck, the ones chambered in wildcats can't be any other way. But by putting that disclaimer in the manual, Joe Blow who double-charged his .38 special cannot sue the maker for a defective firearm.

That said, NO ONE can argue that a handloader can increase the performance of his round, whether it be accuracy or velocity. No ammunition manufacturer is willing to load right up to SAAMI max., and no manufacturer can taylor a round to a specific gun. True, there are small companies that will produce custom loads to spec, but they are still HANDLOADING.

Seriously, just think about it. For someone who buys a 10mm, you have about 2 dozen total choices of ammunition, only a handful of which are "full power". As a handloader, I can develop a full power load with any bullet type of any weight, so long as it is .400" and will fit in the gun. Same goes for countless other cartridges. Handloading simply increses your options dramatically, especially for more obscure cartridges. As said before, for those who shoot only 9mm and .30-06, handloading may not be a worthwhile venture given the low cost and dizzying array of factory loads for such cartridges. But pick up a 6.5x55 Swede or 8mm Rem mag and you'll change your tune.

Bottom line, if you aren't comfortable handloading or simply don't want to, then don't. But do not throw out arbitrary claims that handloading wil lead to Ka-Booms. Such claims simply don't hold water. The guy who is an incopmpetent/inattentive handloader could just as easily have a 12/20 burst. Carelessness is just that, regardless of venue.
 
One more thing you guys haven't mentioned. Some of the stuff I shoot, I have to load.

No maufacturer loads 375JDJ or 357-44 Bain&Davis, or 7-30 Waters. So I'm on my own. And some of the factory rifle stuff is just sickeningly expensive.

Krochus, Fatelvis, and Sharps Shooter: YOU GUYS need a contender or encore from thompson center. Barrels run around $200, and come in calibers you've never heard of. :evil:
 
YOU GUYS need a contender or encore from thompson center. Barrels run around $200, and come in calibers you've never heard of.

That's pretty dark Ben :evil:

That's like selling crack pipes cheap, so junkies can save a little money for their next bag of rocks :D

I reload for several reasons.

One, it's MUCH cheaper than most people think. When you compare the equipment outlay of a progressive or two and use of components that meet your needs, lot's of people make the comment about not saving much money.

I don't remember the last time I saw SMK or Gold Dot surplus coming in from Mayalsia, and I can't remember ever seeing what is called 'Premium' ammo priced anywhere near the cost of WWB, Wolf or S&B. I shoot with budget components (getting on paper with a new scope or plinking) at times, but more often than not, I do my absolute best to find the 'sweet spot' for my guns. Try to find out which load your gun shoots consistently under almost all conditions with factory ammo that you would actually depend on (self-defense, hunting or competition) and you will more than likely spend more doing so in one caliber than the price of a decent reloading setup.

Two, it is damned nice to walk into the loading room and work up a load for a specific purpose without making a trip to the local Wally World or putting up with the diatribe and rip off prices from a local gunshop. Have you ever had to stop by somewhere and buy ammo or buy ammo at the range when you decided to make a range trip with little notice ? I haven't done that in MANY years.

Three, do you really think putting a case of Wolf/S&B/WWB etc down range optimally prepares you for shooting the HydraShoks, Gold Dots or Ranger ammo you carry for SHTF ? I can duplicate almost any load, from almost any manufacturer in a heartbeat. If you don't load, how much is a case or two of your favorite carry ammo ? Around here, 'Premium' defensive pistol ammo runs about $18 bucks for a box of 20 rounds. Premium hunting rounds cost exponentially more.

Four, shooting anything other than the most (read: stocked at Wally World) common calibers, and you are damned lucky to even find ammo, let alone find it reasonably priced.

One thing that's kinda hard to put a price on, buying a bunch of third world, unknown origin ammo to put thru your expensive guns, may be cheaper in raw dollars than loading your own, that's true, but if you have problems (Indian .308/147gr case head seperations (common in 1997 or so), incorrectly labeled as non-corrosive 30-06 etc..) who ya gonna call ?

I would MUCH rather have complete control over what I put in my guns. I am human, therefore I am prone to mistakes - everyone is. Knock on wood, I have been loading for 25 years and never had a mishap.

Are you an idiot for not reloading ? Of course not. You might just shoot a hell of a lot less than some of us, or like me, don't shoot enough of a (some) specific caliber to warrant reloading.

If you're making weekly trips to the range, burning a half a case per trip of third world or low end ammo, that's great, but I can tell you first hand, you're missing half of the thrill that I experience. I have bowling pin loads, light loads for steel, factory dupe loads with identical bullets to factory premium self defense ammo, loads for the 500 in 350 plated for plinking or sight in, 350 XTP loads for deer, 400gr loads for big hogs and some heavier stuff I'm still working on. Rifle loads include serious tack driving match ammo and a range of hunting loads for everything from prairie dogs to elk. I even have a couple of .32 H&R loads worked up for the kiddos to shoot with.

Next trip to Wally World, spend the time, gas, frustration (hope you speak several languages and are supremely patient ;)) and cash to duplicate the flexibility that a hand loader has and then compare costs.

Hands down, handloading or reloading is BY FAR cheaper than buying factory or surplus ammo, regardless of what kind of equipment you buy - if you shoot a lot.

Lastly, and in my mind, worthy of consideration, compared to other hobbies, reloading is just about as cheap as it gets. A set of high end golf clubs will set you back several hundred dollars not to mention green fees are more expensive than shooting in many places. Fishing can be inexpensive, but if you have a boat, you know it gets expensive quick. Bar-hopping for a night will sometimes cost more than the cost of a decent progressive - you get the idea.

Buy the right gear and you can get most of your money out of it if you decide to sell. Try that with your golf clubs.

I can spend hours indoors during the winter and never miss a stroke. If I don't need to load another box of ammo, I can always spend the time reading data, organizing, prepping brass or making sure my reloading records are up to date.

It's not for everyone, but it does give you a lot more bang for your buck than many think of at first...

BigSlick
 
Not only do I reload, I also cast some of the bullets I shoot. I cast for .44 and 30 cal. This affords me the ability the shoot many rounds and vary the strength.
I can load the 44 down so the my son could shoot it when he was 8-9. We shoot our 30-30's with mild lead loads too. We get the benefit of getting some shooting time with minimal recoil, expence of components and wear on the barrels as lead bullet won't wear out a barrel.
Plus I get satisfaction in hunting with a round I developed for a particular gun. This year I killed a deer with my .44 using a bullet I cast, using lube I made and sized for my gun.
But as they say different strokes for different folks. I also appreciate all the folks that don't reload for leaving the brass for me.

Bigscot
 
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