El Tejon, I'm fully aware of 1022. However, the reality is that it is all but dead in subcommittee and even McCarthy herself seems to have lost hope of it going anywhere.
El Tejon said:
I fail to see how preparation for a proposed ban will hurt us
FUD increases demand, demand cause the price to increase, increased prices result in less new gun owners due to the high entry price. While it isn't bad for you personally, it certainly isn't helping the cause of widespread gun ownership. I think FUD is bad in general for gun owners, but that's another topic altogether.
WasYoungOnceToo said:
Unfortunately, your statements don't survive even the most casual encounter with the facts.
With your casual interpretation of the facts, perhaps. I'm using the same facts you are. Regarding McCarthy, if you care to dig around, I'm sure you can find the interview where she said that it wasn't the time for this sort of bill. I think you need to look around May.
WasYoungOnceToo said:
HR 1022 has at least 41 co-sponsors, several of them very senior and leading members of the House (like Barney Frank & Henry Waxman.)
56, actually. The majority of them came on late and a few have been trickling in here and there. There number isn't so important as when they signed on. The bill was introduced with that, 13 co-sponsors? You would think if it was such a powerful bill with so many leading supporters, it would have come on with a hundred co-sponsors and been pushed through. Yet it was quietly shuffled off to committee. As other co-sponsors came on, did they issue prereleases? Was there a move to revive the bill? Nope, their names were quietly added to the list, really only noticed by the folks watching it in the gun community. Why is that?
Well, I suppose you could say that it because they are silently building support so they can spring it on us in a surprise move. However, I think most of the co-sponsors are seeing it as a safe way to add a little gun control legislation to their CV without actually risking the ire of the pro-gun folks. They saw the bill was left for dead and know signing on will have little to no repercussions since it won't leave committee. But by signing on, they get to say they are tough on crime when they are asked. "I supported the anti-crime assault weapons ban this last session!" It's a free pass for them.
Naturally, one can say that they truly do want to see this legislation pass in their heart of hearts, but if that were the case, wouldn't they be pushing it hard?
WasYoungOnceToo said:
7 of the aforementioned co-sponsors signed on immedately following the VA Tech massacre.
Same deal. "Oh no, Virginia Tech! Quick, where is some gun-control legislation I can sign on to so my constituents will know that I'm a "do-er"? Assault weapons ban? Won't that make me a target for the NRA like in 94? Dead in commmittee you say? Great!" Signing on after VT shows even more than they weren't pushing the AWB, they just wanted to make sure they got their name on a feel good measure.
Again, if these 56 co-sponsors were so dedicated to this cause, why didn't they just get it out of the subcommittee? Delahunt, Nadler and Jackson-Lee are all on that subcommittee and sponsors of the bill. Nadler signed on after VT, certainly he could have gotten with the others to get something so important on the calendar. But he didn't. None of them did. Why not?
WasYoungOnceToo said:
True, the bill's progress has been stagnant for the past few months
Stagnant for the past few months? It was introduced and immediately sent to the House Committee on the Judiciary where it languished for over a month. It was then sent off the Subcommittee on Crime, Terrorism, and Homeland Security where it's been sitting idle, not even put on the calendar, for almost 6 months.
WasYoungOnceToo said:
but do you seriously believe that with the list of supporters it has, a pickup of a few seats by the Dems in '08 wouldn't result in a real good chance if it being revived?
In 2005 we could have had the same conversation.
Look at HR 1312! 94 co-sponsors (includling Barney Frank & Henry Waxman, btw). If the Dems in '06 pick up a few seats, won't it be revived again?
And yes, it was. But this time it only got 56 co-sponsors after 6 months when before 94 in 3.5 months. If they are so hell bent on passing this, why is there so much less support now, 2 years later with a Democrat controlled Congress, than there was in 2005? Even if I'm completely wrong about the intentions of these folks and they are actually True-Believers™, why have they been so slow to sign on?
I have no doubt McCarthy will introduce this legislation every session. This is her baby.
I still think the Democrats, and the country as a whole, are facing larger issues than gun control. While there certainly will be legislation introduced, I don't think we are going to see it pushed hard in 2009.
But, the more pressing issue is this. Where can David S find a P99C AS for less than $600. I'd suggest looking at gun broker.
Edited: Damn it to hell. I just spent all that time replying and realized it ended up being a political post. Now I have to report myself.
But El Tejon started it!
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