I have a couple of BHP's and am considering getting a cheaper clone for the heck of it. Who makes the best BHP clone and what's the best place to buy them on the net?
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What's the best Hi Power clone?
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For the price, if you don't need a 100% clone, the Arcus guns are pretty good for the price. I've seen them as low as $200 (not recently though) up to about $275. Cleaned up and put 200 rounds down range and dry fire the peepee out of it and it's a pretty nice gun for less than the cost of a CZ75... If you prefer the HP to the CZ75.
Don't know of a good place on the internet but if you look over the standard gun forums, there's usually a couple for sale. Or you can find them at gunshows for under $300 pretty consistantly.
I've heard mixed reviews of the Daly HPs. Except for the large ugly as sin lettering on the slide, they look pretty nice but their 1911s have been hit and miss which I guess is to be expected in the price range. The FEGs and the Argentine clones are probably consistantly better than the Daly guns but... I guess it's just whatever you're looking for.
Don't know of a good place on the internet but if you look over the standard gun forums, there's usually a couple for sale. Or you can find them at gunshows for under $300 pretty consistantly.
I've heard mixed reviews of the Daly HPs. Except for the large ugly as sin lettering on the slide, they look pretty nice but their 1911s have been hit and miss which I guess is to be expected in the price range. The FEGs and the Argentine clones are probably consistantly better than the Daly guns but... I guess it's just whatever you're looking for.
http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/ARCUS_94C.html
Another happy Arcus owner.
This is actually a photo of the 98DAC which Aim does not offer...98DAC is only model with beaver...
http://www.arcus-bg.com/
If interested in full caps...I've had good luck with the 17-rd KRD's from CDNN or CTD...I've had to be careful of "over insertion" if I slam them in too hard, I sometimes have a going into battery issue...just a little finesse with insertion and they work great!
Also, my Arcus doesn't like WWB for some reason...feeds everything else just fine.
Good luck, and safe shooting,
CZ52'
Another happy Arcus owner.
This is actually a photo of the 98DAC which Aim does not offer...98DAC is only model with beaver...
http://www.arcus-bg.com/
If interested in full caps...I've had good luck with the 17-rd KRD's from CDNN or CTD...I've had to be careful of "over insertion" if I slam them in too hard, I sometimes have a going into battery issue...just a little finesse with insertion and they work great!
Also, my Arcus doesn't like WWB for some reason...feeds everything else just fine.
Good luck, and safe shooting,
CZ52'
From what I've heard, stear clear of the Daly's for now. The others all seem fairly reputable though. You can have to be careful with the FEGs because some aren't true clones, but other than that it doesn't matter too much.
whats the best hi-power clone
Couple of years ago my buddy kept raggin' on me to stick the Glock 9mm back in the safe and get an FEG Hi-Power. Found one with an xtra mag for $325 otd. Took it home,field stripped it,cleaned it and headed for the range. 500 rounds later of hardball and various hollowpoints i was damned impressed. The thing would eat anything.Never failed not one single time. It may not be as well finished as a Browning but it sure is a classic lookin' piece. Stuck my Taurus 606 in the safe and started carrying the FEG. DO NOT BUY A CHARLES DALEY. Got one of the 1911's.
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.Next time i buy a Colt.
Couple of years ago my buddy kept raggin' on me to stick the Glock 9mm back in the safe and get an FEG Hi-Power. Found one with an xtra mag for $325 otd. Took it home,field stripped it,cleaned it and headed for the range. 500 rounds later of hardball and various hollowpoints i was damned impressed. The thing would eat anything.Never failed not one single time. It may not be as well finished as a Browning but it sure is a classic lookin' piece. Stuck my Taurus 606 in the safe and started carrying the FEG. DO NOT BUY A CHARLES DALEY. Got one of the 1911's.
:banghead: .Next time i buy a Colt.My FM Argentine clone took some work to get up and running... new extractor spring, new recoil spring, some detail cleaning of the extractor channel. I was able to do all the work myself (with only a couple of mishaps) and the total new parts cost, including shipping, was about $25
It is very accurate and has a good trigger (although taking out the mag safety, my next project, should take it from good to great )
For $300 it's a pretty good copy of the original FN/Browning gun; full parts interchange ability, etc.
SOG has them "arsenal refinished" for $300 right now.
I've heard mixed things about the FEGs - some people have good ones, and love them; others have bad ones and curse them.
The Arcus guns seem horribly ugly to me, but by all accounts they work well, and the price is quite good.
It is very accurate and has a good trigger (although taking out the mag safety, my next project, should take it from good to great
)For $300 it's a pretty good copy of the original FN/Browning gun; full parts interchange ability, etc.
SOG has them "arsenal refinished" for $300 right now.
I've heard mixed things about the FEGs - some people have good ones, and love them; others have bad ones and curse them.
The Arcus guns seem horribly ugly to me, but by all accounts they work well, and the price is quite good.
I've certainly heard some quite favorable reports of the Arg'y clone .. but not owned one.
My clone vote right now would be for a FEG PJK-9HP ...... I got mine coupla years back /... and whilst I have not hammered it .. it has been all I wanted ..... very close indeed to the very early HP I once had.
Have since found a true BHP Practical which is a fine piece but .... from a value POV, the FEG is still a great buy ....... IMO - a very good copy, even if as may be the case .. it is not quite up there metallurgically.
My clone vote right now would be for a FEG PJK-9HP ...... I got mine coupla years back /... and whilst I have not hammered it .. it has been all I wanted ..... very close indeed to the very early HP I once had.
Have since found a true BHP Practical which is a fine piece but .... from a value POV, the FEG is still a great buy ....... IMO - a very good copy, even if as may be the case .. it is not quite up there metallurgically.
I've owned several Browning Hi-Powers and now own a FEG. Across the board the FEG is every bit as good as the Browning version. I've handled the ARGUS Hi-powers and I like them too. Guess it would be hard to buy a poor Hi-Power clone. I was looking at buying a Hi-Power from a dealer ($600) when I spotted the FEG for $220. I was able to compare the two right then and their and walked out with the FEG. I have seen NO documented proof of the metal used by FEG so until I learn different it's just urban legend about the steel they use. Held up perfect for 700 +p loads so far and I also like the 17 round military mags for them.
Thanks for the info!
I'm leaning FEG at this point, I won't be shooting the piss out of it, thought it would be a nice gun to take on outing that are little rough to take my nice BHP's on. However I still want a nice looking piece and Arcus's aren't quite as appealing to me, IMO.
Anyone have an opinion on the following refinished ones from SOG?
COMES WITH 1-13Rd MAGAZINE!
Wow! These are nice! These beautifully arsenal refinished HI-Powers are in excellent condition. Made in Argentina on Browning machinery. These are some of the nicest Hi-Powers we've seen.
$299.00ea.
I'm leaning FEG at this point, I won't be shooting the piss out of it, thought it would be a nice gun to take on outing that are little rough to take my nice BHP's on. However I still want a nice looking piece and Arcus's aren't quite as appealing to me, IMO.
Anyone have an opinion on the following refinished ones from SOG?
COMES WITH 1-13Rd MAGAZINE!
Wow! These are nice! These beautifully arsenal refinished HI-Powers are in excellent condition. Made in Argentina on Browning machinery. These are some of the nicest Hi-Powers we've seen.
$299.00ea.
whats the best hi-power clone
Dorrin79 DO NOT DISCONNECT THE MAG SAFTEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They don't really make that much diffrence in the trigger pull. I've shot Hi-Powers that have had action jobs and couldn't really tell much differance between the one with the mag safety and the one without. If,God forbid, you ever have to protect yourself with that Hi-Power with a disconnected mag saftey YOU WILL BE SUED FOR NEGLIGENCE. To many sharks in suits out there. Read some of Massod Ayoob's articals and you'll understand. One more advantage of a mag disconnector: i live in the Peoples Republic Of California and have always kept some kind of wheel gun on my night stand ready to rock. Here, if some one gets ahold of your loaded weapon and shoots someone YOU GOIN' TA JAIL. With the Hi-Power i can leave one up the tube and drop the mag and my grandaughters can't make it go boom. I've practiced slamming the mag home in simi darkness (always have a night light on when the little ones are here) and it works very well. The five year old couldn't pull the trigger on my wheel gun but the 11 year old can. The insert mag drill still has her a little puzzled. Anywho, think long and hard before you disconnect that thing.
Dorrin79 DO NOT DISCONNECT THE MAG SAFTEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They don't really make that much diffrence in the trigger pull. I've shot Hi-Powers that have had action jobs and couldn't really tell much differance between the one with the mag safety and the one without. If,God forbid, you ever have to protect yourself with that Hi-Power with a disconnected mag saftey YOU WILL BE SUED FOR NEGLIGENCE. To many sharks in suits out there. Read some of Massod Ayoob's articals and you'll understand. One more advantage of a mag disconnector: i live in the Peoples Republic Of California and have always kept some kind of wheel gun on my night stand ready to rock. Here, if some one gets ahold of your loaded weapon and shoots someone YOU GOIN' TA JAIL. With the Hi-Power i can leave one up the tube and drop the mag and my grandaughters can't make it go boom. I've practiced slamming the mag home in simi darkness (always have a night light on when the little ones are here) and it works very well. The five year old couldn't pull the trigger on my wheel gun but the 11 year old can. The insert mag drill still has her a little puzzled. Anywho, think long and hard before you disconnect that thing.
I have three HighPowers.
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The top one in the picture is a BHP that has been customized by Wilson Combat. It is of course my favorite!
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The next is an Arcus that at close range shoots as well as the top one, but is not as accurate at longer ranges.
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At the bottom of the picture is my FEG PJK9.
The lug has broken off the barrel (see the close up below)! It would cost more to replace the barrel then to replace the pistol.
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IMO the FEG is a little less blocky then, but not as good a shooter as the Arcus and because of the failure of the barrel lug, I can't recommend the FEG.
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The top one in the picture is a BHP that has been customized by Wilson Combat. It is of course my favorite!
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The next is an Arcus that at close range shoots as well as the top one, but is not as accurate at longer ranges.
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At the bottom of the picture is my FEG PJK9.
The lug has broken off the barrel (see the close up below)! It would cost more to replace the barrel then to replace the pistol.
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IMO the FEG is a little less blocky then, but not as good a shooter as the Arcus and because of the failure of the barrel lug, I can't recommend the FEG.
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FEG GKK-92C
This is the FEG clone model designation that's supposed to have all parts interchangable with the Browning.
This is the FEG clone model designation that's supposed to have all parts interchangable with the Browning.
Happy Arcus owner for 4 yrs. Polish the feed ramp, remove mag safety, and stone any burrs that might happen to be on the trigger assy, and you're good to go for some fun shooting. Only took about 20-30 minutes to do this. I am really impressed with mine. As I said in a previous post, it is my favorite 9mm, with my XD a close 2nd. They are still so cheap I am considering another. I go to AIM about once a week, everybody there has one and loves it. I told Erik that if people knew how the Arcus was they wouldn't be able to keep them in stock. Dollar for dollar, I think they are one of the best deals out there.
If I didn't already have a FEG Clone, I would have gotten one when they first came out. Great price!
At the bottom of the picture is my FEG PJK9.
The lug has broken off the barrel (see the close up below)! It would cost more to replace the barrel then to replace the pistol.
Why haven't you sent it to PA to have it replaced/repaired? This would be a freebe since it's under warranty.
"FEG GKK-92C
This is the FEG clone model designation that's supposed to have all parts interchangable with the Browning."
This is a FEG P9R on the pic. It is an SW M59-clone. BUT NONE of its parts are interchangeable with SW or HiPower.
This is the FEG clone model designation that's supposed to have all parts interchangable with the Browning."
This is a FEG P9R on the pic. It is an SW M59-clone. BUT NONE of its parts are interchangeable with SW or HiPower.
Mag Release on BHP
I want to disagree with an earlier comment. I can't speak to any clones, but I own a new BHP. Out of the box, the trigger was horrible! It was absolutely depressing to shoot. I refused to shoot it again until I had a trigger job. It was gritty and stacked heavy at the end. A $25 dollar trigger job later AND the REMOVAL of the mag safety made all the difference in the world. The mag safety caused the gritty feel. Now I love to shoot my BHP. I can't really explain the HUGE difference it made. Older BHP's may be different.
I want to disagree with an earlier comment. I can't speak to any clones, but I own a new BHP. Out of the box, the trigger was horrible! It was absolutely depressing to shoot. I refused to shoot it again until I had a trigger job. It was gritty and stacked heavy at the end. A $25 dollar trigger job later AND the REMOVAL of the mag safety made all the difference in the world. The mag safety caused the gritty feel. Now I love to shoot my BHP. I can't really explain the HUGE difference it made. Older BHP's may be different.
Quite honestly, the FN and Browning originals are the best -- bar none.
I've got a Browning MkIII and I've got a FEG PJK-FP9 that I converted to a PJK-9HP (just changed the slide).
I've had a few problems with the FEG, like the trigger pin backing out backwards (fixed), a very gritty mag release (replaced), a cracked firing pin retaining plate, due to an oversized notch in my former slide (replaced the plate and the slide), some intermittent hammer follow (fixed)...
There were others, but can't remember them. If you want one that you aren't afraid to tinker with, they're a good buy. If you don't want to have to mess with it and have it work 100% from the box, get a Browning or FN.
My Browning has been perfect.
FWIW,
Wes
I've got a Browning MkIII and I've got a FEG PJK-FP9 that I converted to a PJK-9HP (just changed the slide).
I've had a few problems with the FEG, like the trigger pin backing out backwards (fixed), a very gritty mag release (replaced), a cracked firing pin retaining plate, due to an oversized notch in my former slide (replaced the plate and the slide), some intermittent hammer follow (fixed)...
There were others, but can't remember them. If you want one that you aren't afraid to tinker with, they're a good buy. If you don't want to have to mess with it and have it work 100% from the box, get a Browning or FN.
My Browning has been perfect.
FWIW,
Wes
This has been widely discussed on the board and widely discredited. An action job has the potential to do as much legal damage as a mag disconnect removal. In the end its either you had the right to shoot or not that will decide what happens.
Respectfully...
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Dorrin79 DO NOT DISCONNECT THE MAG SAFTEY! ... If,God forbid, you ever have to protect yourself with that Hi-Power with a disconnected mag saftey YOU WILL BE SUED FOR NEGLIGENCE. To many sharks in suits out there. Read some of Massod Ayoob's articals and you'll understand.
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This has been widely discussed on the board and widely discredited. An action job has the potential to do as much legal damage as a mag disconnect removal. In the end its either you had the right to shoot or not that will decide what happens.
By argument:
If,God forbid, you ever have to protect yourself with that Hi-Power with a disconnected mag saftey YOU WILL BE SUED FOR NEGLIGENCE.
It is entirely possible that you will be sued after a lawful shoot regardless of any modifications made to the piece. Will a magazine safety be used against you if sued? Absolutely, you can count on it. Will it factor into whether you are criminally liable? Maybe not. Will some jury award some grieving MMMer with a "misunderstood" child civil liabilities? It's a risk.
Too(sp corrected) many sharks in suits out there. Read some of Massod Ayoob's articals and you'll understand.
Yes there are sharks. Mr. Ayoob has written articles supportive of avoiding modifications, types of weapons, or even named weapons (e.g. Wilson Combat Close Quarters Battle) because of risk of unfavorable outcome regarding lawful shoot determination, OR civil liability. I'd concur that there is probably a consensus on this board who would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
This has been widely discussed on the board and widely discredited.
HOWEVER, to describe the argument as "discredited" is probably an overstatement. It's a risk worth considering...but one many of us would prefer to LIVE WITH.
An action job has the potential to do as much legal damage as a mag disconnect removal.
The mere deployment of a firearm in self-defense exposes you to potential criminal and civil "issues". Something that Mr. Ayoob also describes...and teaches as I understand. I intend to take a class from LFI on this topic because while it is unlikely to be determinative in my choice of weapon or mod's made to it...it cannot be dismissed...lawful shoot very likely = legal entanglements.
In the end its either you had the right to shoot or not that will decide what happens.
Oh how I wish this were true...in the end, it's whether the jury is disposed to side with you, or the grieving MMMer' mom with the "troubled child" you had to defend yourself from...and whether your legal counsel is more effective in persuading that jury than the shark on the other side.
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
TANGENT WARNING PROVIDED IN ADVANCE...
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Dorrin79 DO NOT DISCONNECT THE MAG SAFTEY! ... If,God forbid, you ever have to protect yourself with that Hi-Power with a disconnected mag saftey YOU WILL BE SUED FOR NEGLIGENCE. To many sharks in suits out there. Read some of Massod Ayoob's articals and you'll understand.
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This has been widely discussed on the board and widely discredited. An action job has the potential to do as much legal damage as a mag disconnect removal. In the end its either you had the right to shoot or not that will decide what happens.
By argument:
If,God forbid, you ever have to protect yourself with that Hi-Power with a disconnected mag saftey YOU WILL BE SUED FOR NEGLIGENCE.
It is entirely possible that you will be sued after a lawful shoot regardless of any modifications made to the piece. Will a magazine safety be used against you if sued? Absolutely, you can count on it. Will it factor into whether you are criminally liable? Maybe not. Will some jury award some grieving MMMer with a "misunderstood" child civil liabilities? It's a risk.
Too(sp corrected) many sharks in suits out there. Read some of Massod Ayoob's articals and you'll understand.
Yes there are sharks. Mr. Ayoob has written articles supportive of avoiding modifications, types of weapons, or even named weapons (e.g. Wilson Combat Close Quarters Battle) because of risk of unfavorable outcome regarding lawful shoot determination, OR civil liability. I'd concur that there is probably a consensus on this board who would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
This has been widely discussed on the board and widely discredited.
HOWEVER, to describe the argument as "discredited" is probably an overstatement. It's a risk worth considering...but one many of us would prefer to LIVE WITH.
An action job has the potential to do as much legal damage as a mag disconnect removal.
The mere deployment of a firearm in self-defense exposes you to potential criminal and civil "issues". Something that Mr. Ayoob also describes...and teaches as I understand. I intend to take a class from LFI on this topic because while it is unlikely to be determinative in my choice of weapon or mod's made to it...it cannot be dismissed...lawful shoot very likely = legal entanglements.
In the end its either you had the right to shoot or not that will decide what happens.
Oh how I wish this were true...in the end, it's whether the jury is disposed to side with you, or the grieving MMMer' mom with the "troubled child" you had to defend yourself from...and whether your legal counsel is more effective in persuading that jury than the shark on the other side.
Safe shooting,
CZ52'
whats the best hi power clone
Tell ya what guys,move to The Peoples Republic of Kallyfornya, take a stock gun, no action job,no mods at all,disconnect the mag saftey and then shoot a bad guy. I'll read about the trial in the papers.
Tell ya what guys,move to The Peoples Republic of Kallyfornya, take a stock gun, no action job,no mods at all,disconnect the mag saftey and then shoot a bad guy. I'll read about the trial in the papers.
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