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Whats this revolver and whats it worth?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by TexasKid, Feb 27, 2011.

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  1. TexasKid

    TexasKid Member

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    Id like to know what this revolver is and how much its worth.
    I was told its a smith and wesson model 40 snub nose .38. Im looking to purchase it but cant seem to find a value in my Gun Trader Guide.
     

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  2. General Geoff

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    Do you have a higher resolution photograph? The one you attached doesn't provide many details.
     
  3. TexasKid

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    i added a few more pitures. I dont know how to change the resolution.
     
  4. bergmen

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    Swing the cylinder out and the S&W model number will be stamped on the frame where the crane seats.

    Dan
     
  5. ColtPythonElite

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    Looks like a 36.
     
  6. DPris

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    The cylinder on my screen has six chambers, which makes it neither a 40 nor a 36.
    Or any other J-Frame.
    Denis
     
  7. Cosmoline

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    Maybe a Model 13? Short Model 10? Hard to tell, I can't get the photos to enlarge.
     
  8. CSA 357

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    looks like a mod 10 or pre 10 cant tell pics are too small
     
  9. Shear_stress

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    It's definitely not a Model 40, which is an enclosed hammer J-frame. By the looks of it (what I can make out from the photos), it has no ejector rod lock. My money is on a cut down K-frame M&P with aftermarket nickle plate.
     
  10. savit260

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    Nearly impossible to tell from the tiny low res pics.

    If it's a S&W , it should say Smith & Wesson on it somewhere.

    Could be a Spanish clone ?? M&P or Model 10?

    Best I can say is it's Smith & Wesson-ish.

    What do the markings (if any) say?

    Definitly NOT a model 40
     
  11. Old Fuff

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    As others have said the pictures are too small to be much good, but I think it's a S&W Military & Police model, also known as the model 1905 Hand Ejector, If so, it will not be marked with a model number, and could have been made anywhere from 1902 to 1946. The serial number should be stamped on the bottom of the butt, the rear face of the cylinder, and on the bottom of the barrel above the ejector rod. To see the last two numbers you will have to swing out the cylinder, and they should match the one on the butt. That number may have a letter prefix such as "V".

    I also think that the barrel has been shortened from one that was longer, and the front sight replaced - followed by a nickel plating job.

    I would advise that you don't buy it for any price until you have a correct identification.
     
  12. TexasKid

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    Yeah. im lost as to what it is. Its not in my possession, im looking into purchasing it but was gunna try to have a general idea of a price range in mind. The guys out of town so thats all the pics i can get right now.
     
  13. pharmer

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    Maybe a .32 of some flavor. Joe
     
  14. Old Fuff

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    The problem is that no one can give you an accurate price range without knowing what exactly the gun is. It could range anywhere from $75 (value of it for spare parts, to $400, with a lower value being more likely. Buying anything without knowing what it is, is almost always a dumb move.
     
  15. Jim Watson

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    A lot of guessing going on here, guys. Fuff has it.

    Small pictures and all, I would be willing to bet that it is a WWII vintage S&W Military & Police, sawn off to two inches, with loss of the front latch lug; nickel plated and fitted with plastic fake stag grips. All meant to appeal to the 1950s-1960s detective novel and tv series fad for "snubnose .38s".

    I suspect it is a British Lend Lease or contract gun; reamed out from .38-200 (.38 S&W) to .38 Special for the more common ammunition in The Colonies; but it might be a US substitute standard service pistol originally in .38 Special, munged up as above.

    Dollar value and shooting utility is low.
    I would not be interested in it at any price unless I needed it for long action parts as described by Fuff. Which I do not.
     
  16. TexasKid

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    Im deffinately not gunna over pay for it. I dont need it either but i havent needed alot of the guns ive bought.
     
  17. Old Fuff

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    "Need" has nothing to do with it. If you want it, and can afford it, buy it.

    But don't buy anything before you know exactly what you're getting. Take my word for it because over a long lifetime I seen too many folks taken to the cleaners.

    Hint: If the seller really thinks that revolver is a S&W model 40, and has priced it as such, he doesn't know anything either. Up or down, whatever else he has may be way off too. This may set up an opportunity, but only if you know what you're doing. :evil:
     
  18. DPris

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    Besides which, you don't know what else may have been done to it, it could be thoroughly butchered inside.
    At the very least, it'd be wise not to buy without seeing it in person.
    Denis
     
  19. pecosriver

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    This looks like one I had in the '60's. After the war,there were many surplus Model 10's in .38 S&W that were cut down,nickeled,converted to 38 Special and plastic stag grips added.I don't remember which distributer sold them ,but the one I had shot fine. The .38 specials were a little loose in the cylinder if I remember.Sorry,I didn't see the previous post.
     
  20. Oyeboten

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    I keep seeing virtually the same Gun over and over on GB'r and on the S&W Forum and even the Colt Forum.

    The only thing which seems to differ, are the shades of the Franzite Stocks.

    http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=217910892


    Cut-down pre-model 10, or 'M&P' of either .38 S & W or maybe, .38 Special, or the latter having been acheived form the former.

    Aftermarket Nickle which includes Hammer and Trigger.


    Ambiguous or absent Barrel texts/Calibre designation, or lost in the cut-down.


    Given that many of these began life as .38 S & W and were re-chambered for .38 Special, they will never be 'right' as for either Cartridge.
     
  21. TexasKid

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    Ok. well im still looking at this gun. I was just told that it has no words on it but has a serial number and the smith and wesson imprint. I was told the serial number is 904586. Thanks for any help.
     
  22. Guillermo

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    I think Oyeboten might have nailed it.

    Is the seller in Fairfield Texas?

    if so it didn't get any bids and started at 285.

    :what: this one kind of scares me.
     
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    $75 would be too rich for my blood.
     
  24. Deaf Smith

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    It looks like a M10 S&W that someone cut the barrel short so the ejector rod housing does not latch into anything, the front sight reattached, and the gun nickel plated.

    Deaf
     
  25. SaxonPig

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    It's a butchered up Victory Model. Started out as a 5" 38 S&W (not 38 Special) made during WWII for the British. After the war, many of these guns were ruined by having the barrels cut back so far the lug supporting the ejector rod is removed and being reamed for the incorrect 38 Special cartridge. Then they did a fast and crappy nickel plate on them and slapped on a set of cheap plastic "stag" grips. This gun is a typical example of this butchery.

    Sorry. The gun is utterly worthless. I wouldn't take one as a gift. They are unreliable, horribly inaccurate if they fire at all, and just a bit unsafe to shoot.

    BTW- Here's what your gun looked like before the monkey with 10 thumbs took a hacksaw to it.


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    PS: Just noted the serial in a previous post. Collectors would call this a "Pre-Victory" made before the V serial prefix started. Essentially the same gun. If for sale avoid it like the plague.
     
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