What's Up With Pennsylvania?

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I moved here a few months ago and it's a massive improvement over New Jersey, but I'm a little disappointed. There's a very large angry liberal contingent here although we certainly have our share of Conservative Republicans as well. Seems like there's a solid RINO following as well which is also a disappointment. Maybe the inner city Get Out The Vote sways Pennsylvania in one direction. Thoughts?
 
There's a very large angry liberal contingent here although we certainly have our share of Conservative Republicans as well. Seems like there's a solid RINO following as well which is also a disappointment.
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It's a battleground state for a reason. :p
 
Johnstown went for Bush this time

in 2000 it went for Gore

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It's hard to believe that a state with as many hunters as Pa. has, would vote in Rendell and vote for Kerry. In my area (Allegheny Co.) the majority have conservative views but vote Dem. because their parents were Dem. so they are too. They fall into the trap that "the Dems. are for the little guy". In spite of the fact that the Mon-Valley has pretty much gone to seed under Dem. leadership. The steel mills started closing down in the late 70's, but it was Reagan's fault, even though he wasn't elected until 80. Meanwhile our local Rep. Gaydos (Dem) was the head of the "Steel Caucus"and did little to save the mills. I honestly think Hitler could run with a D behind his name here and be elected. The Reps. are too blame too. They continuously field weak candidates like Arlen Specter, and Mike Fisher. I honestly thought that there was a chance that Bush might carry Pa. My daughter's school had a mock election and Bush won 113 to 107. The school is in a Dem. fortress, the Mckeesport area. I figured that since kids opinions basically echo their parent's opinion he had a shot here and just maybe state wide. Maybe the fact that it is a Catholic school skewed the numbers. Hey, if the professional pollsters can screw up so can I! It kind of makes you feel as though you wasted your vote, though. It didn't make a bit of difference in the EC numbers. Oh well athe better man won, and for that I'm thankfull!
 
This map of PA perfecly illustrates the way the political lines are being drawn in our country. It is less about North vs. South, race, or income. It is about urban vs sububurban/urban. Look at the county by county breakdown in any state in the union. Look at the CNN map Click on any state and you will see this division. Heck! the majority of the land mass of CA is RED!

The population centers are becoming the strongholds of the socialist gun-grabbers.





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Bottom line:

Philly has many blacks, other minorities, non-believing catholics, jews, poor, unemployed, unions and the rest are lawyers.

Republicans stand no chance.

The real lines in the electorate are religious and racial.

Kerry won nationwide:

89% of blacks
68% of hispanics (lower than you would think do to 80% republican cuban vote)
70+% of jews
70+% of muslims

Bush only gets a majority of white christians. The media refuses to report this and refers to the red state blue state thing, but this is the real divide. I divide that, demographically, the republicans are on the wrong side of the trend. The only hope is to turn the hispanic vote (and the asian vote) to vote republican.
 
Well, my county went for Bush but I thought I'd heard Luzerne County went for Bush this time too.
 
I've said it before, but PA is such a great model for why the electoral college works.

More than 1/2 of the Kerry votes from the entire state, > 450k of them came from ONE precinct: philadelphia. When you add in its surrounds, you get like 65% of the total Kerry vote. Also note that Kerry won PA by a narrower margin than Bush won Ohio.

At the level of State government, that means that PHL could easily rule the whole state, and turn it into a hellhole like NJ if it's influence weren't firewalled off by our winner takes the whole precinct system, which also explains why Rendell and other statewide races tend to go to dems, especially when the GOP challenger is weak.

PA shows up on state maps as blue, but the county map tells the true story.
 
the majority have conservative views but vote Dem. because their parents were Dem. so they are too.
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Maybe there is hope for those people. A heck of a lot of Oklahomans used to be that way until they decided the national Democratic Party was different than the state party. We now almost always elect Republicans at the national level despite the fact that the state Democratic Party has controlled the state government in an unbroken chain back to 1940. The majority of registered voters are still Democrats. But they somehow see themselves as "different Democrats" than people like Kerry.

The only hope is to turn the hispanic vote (and the asian vote) to vote republican.
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The good news about hispanics is that they actually tend to be socially conservative and quite religious. We just have to wean them away from thinking of themselves as a minority that needs special federal help. If they actually vote in line with their cultural values, they will vote Republican. Bush got some of them!

Gregg
 
Is there a way to depopulate the blue zones? To cut down on polution of the political kind?
 
A few months ago The New York Times had a series of articles regarding the massive numbers of people from the South Bronx, Harlem, Newark, etc. moving to NE Pennsylvania. The housing is cheap (but the heating bills are high) and the congestion is less than the big city. No doubt the Philly and Camden crowds are also moving in.

Naturally, the urbanites are bringing their inner city traits with them - being Democrat, drugs, gangs, robberies, etc.

The NE PA crowd complain but they are more than happy to take New York money in exchange for some of their land. Then they go ballistic when they see that new schools and higher taxes are required to educate the urban youths now cruising the landscape.
 
Philadelphia and its suburbs are awash in blatant pandering to racial minorities and the bleeding-heart academic and Volvo liberal macrobiotic-eating communities.
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Well, kind of. The conservatives we have here are generally very conservative, and the liberals are generally very liberal. It makes for an interesting political situation, which leads to people like Greenwood (very, very moderate Republican - moreso than either Specter or McCain, though that seems nearly impossible) being elected to Congress. Our new rep, Fitzpatrick, is much more conservative. And much more pro-gun, which is the important part (for me, anyway).

The vote splitting here is very amusing. A fair amount of people voted for both Kerry and Fitzpatrick (Fitzpatrick has views fairly close to those of Bush).

I'm actually glad the state is so closely divided. It prevents things like the Texas prayer in schools (which I do not favor, lacking any belief in a deity, and currently being in a public school), but it also keeps the gun laws good.
 
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