What's wrong with this survey? CBS, most heavily armed states

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Your question was answered in the article:

Here is a look at per capita weapons data, based on the ATF's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and 2013 data from the U.S. Census.While the ATF's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record is the only accessible list of its kind, it is not all-inclusive. NFA firearms only include the categories regulated by The National Firearms Act of 1934

You should also warn people about click bait.
 
The figure for Washington State seems improbably low. Love how they crammed as many EBRs, children, and garish displays into their photos as they could.
 
Yes, this is NFA data and they don't realize it. It's hilarious.

Indeed, especially when you take a glance at the numbers they are reporting. 7.8 guns per 1000 in Wisconsin... 44K total. We must all share during gun deer season!

There are easily over 44K guns in my county I bet.
 
Seems like the inclusion of "firearms registry" talking points is meant to condition low information types that such a list exists, or should. We all know its for MGs, shorties, etc..
 
Also, articles like this using NICs checks are wrong. Quite a few states now have universal background checks. They count a new gun every time two people in the state transfer one to each other.

Not sure if there is another state, but Kentucky also runs monthly NICs checks on CCW holders. By the NICs measure, a person that is interested in guns enough to get a CCW would count as buying at least 1 gun a month even if they have 0
 
The NICs method will get more interesting when prop 63 goes through in California. Every ammo purchase will go through NICs in the most populated state in the country.

The state known as the most anti gun could show up as the most armed.
 
Gotta hand it to 'em, it's a rather well done piece of propaganda;
-Makes it sound as though a National Registry is already in place (the implication is later efforts toward a broad one will be merely 'filling in loopholes')
-Confuses Title I and Title II firearms, by making it sound as though the largely unrestricted former are controlled like the latter
-Makes the body of gun owners & firearms out there seem like a manageable size that could be rolled over by everyone else. Very convenient that CCW permits or other more direct measures of the number of owners were evaded so as to use this completely worthless metric

TCB
 
The biggest piece of propaganda is that it was written right after San Bernadino and refers to it as a "typical"mass shooting rather than as a terrorist inspired shooting.
 
The left will always prey on the ignorance of its constituents.

Friend at the LGS tells me of all the folk that come in and claim the gun they wish to sell is legal I just because it's registered.

Then you have the "he's a bad guy right wing crazy because he's a 'regestered gun owner" crowd. It's laughable.
 
Your question was answered in the article:

Here is a look at per capita weapons data, based on the ATF's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and 2013 data from the U.S. Census.While the ATF's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record is the only accessible list of its kind, it is not all-inclusive. NFA firearms only include the categories regulated by The National Firearms Act of 1934
You should also warn people about click bait.

I did not know what they meant by transfer record and the census data, though I have heard of the NFA. This is a deceptive survey. Is it deliberately so? Or the author does not understand what the NFA is, and that there are a ton more guns out there? Why would they want to underestimate the amount of guns? That's all. Sorry for the non-warning re click bait.
 
The 1934 NFA is about automatic weapons, rifles with barrels under 16", and silencers. Stuff like that. Guns you cannot buy over the counter without paying a $200 tax for transfer of ownership. That is a small amount of guns in the hands of the people, and 99.99% of them are legally owned and never used in crime. Ever.

It's actually a good thing to read on when you get a balanced perspective about what it is saying - it's informative because so many shooters are completely in the dark about it. Full auto weapons are LEGAL TO OWN in America and always have been. In states that dont regulate against private ownership, which is the real problem, there are even fairs and shooting events where you can try one out. And if happen to be in Las Vegas there are ranges which will rent you one and take you out onto the firing line to shoot a magazine or short belt. It's a money maker as the owners all report that they see a lot of foreigners and coastal citizens who otherwise would never get to shoot them lined up for the opportunity. In terms of the 2A, it's a very profitable outreach program.

At one time there was one veteran per ten citizens in America, and they were all trained and proficient in full auto firearms. Now it's one in one hundred, because we operate a volunteer army. It seems that one of the issues about guns and what they are is now a complete lack of familiarity and legal knowledge about what they are and how to use them. And because of that, we get slanted misinformation published like this. It's amusing in one respect the writer missed one of the most important concepts of the information, and also disappointing that so many who have posted about it since it came out who missed it, too.

For a different perspective on how many guns we might likely own, try this: http://weaponsman.com/?p=33875

The point of the article linked is that we have commonly accepted a figure of over 300 million guns in American hands for some time. And yet an examination of NICS transfers and other data show that 300 million new guns have changed ownership just in the last ten years - it doesn't even begin to include all the guns prior to about 1995. In my personal situation it would not include half the guns I own, as I bought the prior to 1995 and haven't sold them. Those I did sell were face to face transactions and didn't go thru NICS (which the gun banners want to force us to do.) Doing the math shows that we probably own nearly twice the figure - up to 600 million guns. The topic of who's a gun "superowner" comes into play, as the 55 million owners of firearms and how many the average one has then gets another boost: maybe the typical gun owner doesn't own just two or three, with all the rest in the hands of a few. Maybe we own 6-10, and the "superowners" have literally dozens.

Show me an experienced collector of an item in this country who deliberately limits the quantity of what he has. Hummel figurines? Militaria? Knives? Racing memoribilia? Cabbage Patch dolls, rocks, model airplanes, shoes, bayonets, cell phones, Hot Wheels miniatures, electric trains, Swarofski crystal figures, ad infinitum. Nobody stops with an even dozen and calls it good. Not hardly.

Not only are there a lot more guns than some people realize, there are a lot more gun owners, too. Just citing the NFA stats isn't the whole picture - and for that matter, allowing the NFA to determine what you can and can't own by imposing a tax on it that was initially meant to keep guns out of the hands of the common citizen is blatantly unconstitutional. So I don't mind seeing the story out and about, because it raises a discussion about it and that leads to people getting more information.

Informed voters make better decisions.
 
Seems like a pretty unimportant group of "statistics" as it does not reflect the regular firearms that are not "registered" under the NFA. My thought is what is the point of this?
 
A kid would have noticed something is wrong with their numbers. The article states ownership averages around 32% but their numbers stayed below 1% half way through the states and topped out at around 5%.

Clearly publishing the article was more important than having factual data.

As an aside, once again I get to laugh at what some people "stagger" over. For Florida, they staggered over the 200K+ number for that state. So funny.
 
Yet another propaganda "hit piece" by the MSM, who have succeeded years ago in destroying what little faith I had in their so called reporting. I'm very happy that more and more folks are waking up to the biased lies being put out there by what are no longer impartial reporters but paid political agitators spewing propaganda for profit. That's my (and many others) take on it and I'm sticking to it.
 
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