WonderNine
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I wish I had done that at the gunshop, it was laying right next to a Seecamp.
whats your take on the seecamp .32?
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I wish I had done that at the gunshop, it was laying right next to a Seecamp.
Strings
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Ok... got my manual and a caliper (just 'cause I'm that way. IS anal-retentive hyphenated?). Alamo's figures are first, with the manual's listings in brackets and my measurements after...
Specifications :
Weight fully loaded : 13.25 oz. [12.5oz]
Capacity : 6 in magazine + 1 in chamber
Height : 3.25" [3.25"]3.27" (measured at the mag release)
Slide Width : .725" [not listed] .718"
Grip Width : .91"[.9"] .864"
Length : 4.25" [4.25"] 4.19"
So... unless I'm measuring something wrong...
Specifications :
Weight fully loaded : 13.25 oz. [12.5oz]
Capacity : 6 in magazine + 1 in chamber
Height : 3.25" [3.25"]3.27" (measured at the mag release)
Slide Width : .725" [not listed] .718"
Grip Width : .91"[.9"] .864"
Length : 4.25" [4.25"] 4.19"
So... unless I'm measuring something wrong...
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I carried a Seecamp .32 daily for about 2 years. Now I carry a S&W 642 Airweight .38 Special. About the same size and weight in your right front pocket. The .32 is a mousegun; imagine aiming that tiny semiauto at some big guy in a leather jacket in an ATM vestubile. The S&W doesn't sag the pocket as much as the heavy little Seecamp, it's easier to shoot well, ammo selection is more varied, and it's a MUCH better cartridge.
Maybe it IS the heft of the autauga that makes me feel well armed when carrying it.. I dont know...Ill i DO know is that if and when i ever have to pull it...I know it will shoot, flawlessly and accurately. its one that i wont ever sell...It is worth more to me than it is worth in cash or trade.
I understand your point and I agree.
However, unless we are thinking of two entirely different firearms, I have never seen a .38 revolver that is anywhere near as tiny as the Seecamp.
From what I've seen, the Seecamp is far smaller overall, and quite thinner than any revolver. (NAA Mini not included.)
I'm looking at the Seecamp for pocket carry in a suit/dress slacks, so I really do need something as small as possible.
If you could post pics of your .38 revolver that compares in size to the Seecamp, I'd love to see it.
Wildalaska
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Doc the reason it is a pain to unload is that if the mag is out ya cant rack the slide...you sort of need three hands..
Me I just walk into the back and empty it into the trap...
Hes got a face doesnt he? Me, I practice with my Seecamp by shooting at a pie plate at 5 feet.
WildouchAlaska
Me I just walk into the back and empty it into the trap...
Hes got a face doesnt he? Me, I practice with my Seecamp by shooting at a pie plate at 5 feet.
WildouchAlaska
Hey Wild; you're obviously a dealer and have seen many more firearms than I.
Do you know of any .38 revolver (NAA minis excluded) that compare to the Seecamp size-wise?
Most snubbies I've ever seen are WAY bigger (more importantly, thicker) than the Seecamp.
And sorry you had such a bad day. *hug*
*cracks open a cold one for you*
*Drjones cracks open two for himself.*
Do you know of any .38 revolver (NAA minis excluded) that compare to the Seecamp size-wise?
Most snubbies I've ever seen are WAY bigger (more importantly, thicker) than the Seecamp.
And sorry you had such a bad day. *hug*
*cracks open a cold one for you*
*Drjones cracks open two for himself.*
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The only wheelie the same size or smaller than the Seecamp is the NAA...
The Scandium 38s weigh about the same as the Seecamp though much fatter.
A Seecamp in the back pocket in one of them Azrael holsters is the like carrying no gun at all..
WildmingunAlaska
The Scandium 38s weigh about the same as the Seecamp though much fatter.
A Seecamp in the back pocket in one of them Azrael holsters is the like carrying no gun at all..
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Drjones, no, I don't have any photos. And of course you and I understand that a S&W Airweight is larger than a Seecamp when you place them on a kitchen table, living room rug, or bedspread to photograph them.
My point is that when it comes to concealment, I have found the S&W and the Seecamp to both hide easily. The Seecamp a wee bit more? Yes. More than enough to offset what I believe is its lack of stopping power compared to a 158-gr. LSWCHP-+P? To me, no.
I am 5'10", weigh about 180 lbs., and typically dress for work in wool or cotton dress slacks, a button-down collared shirt, a tie, belt, and dress shoes. Standing or sitting I cannot tell the difference in the "bulge" in my right front pocket. I carried the Seecamp in a Kramer horsehide pocket holster. I carry the S&W in a DeSantis nylon pocket rig the name of which escapes me right now. I have also used Uncle Mike's pocket holsters.
I can see the Seecamp as having an edge in "deep cover." That old wallet rig made for the Seecamp, which I believe the ATF has since made illegal, made that gun really shine in a "stick 'em up" scenario. And I understand, as wildalsaka notes, that praticing head shots at 5 feet or 5 yards is a good idea. I did the same thing (often got keyholes with the Silvertips.)
And the only time in my life that I was carrying and felt I MIGHT have to draw my weapon, I was carrying a Seecamp. I guess it would have done the job if I did "my part."
But since the S&W hides just as well for me in my everyday clothing, and on weekends I usually carry a larger gun in an OWB holster, and since I have more faith in the +Ps, I have long since opted to carry the revolver in the right front pocket.
I will say Seecamps are beautifully made. I believe Larry S. went to CNC maching years ago and hired more staff? I see more and more of these guns on dealers shelves nowadays for "normal" prices, i.e. $400+ and not rthe $600 or so I paid NIB several years ago.
My point is that when it comes to concealment, I have found the S&W and the Seecamp to both hide easily. The Seecamp a wee bit more? Yes. More than enough to offset what I believe is its lack of stopping power compared to a 158-gr. LSWCHP-+P? To me, no.
I am 5'10", weigh about 180 lbs., and typically dress for work in wool or cotton dress slacks, a button-down collared shirt, a tie, belt, and dress shoes. Standing or sitting I cannot tell the difference in the "bulge" in my right front pocket. I carried the Seecamp in a Kramer horsehide pocket holster. I carry the S&W in a DeSantis nylon pocket rig the name of which escapes me right now. I have also used Uncle Mike's pocket holsters.
I can see the Seecamp as having an edge in "deep cover." That old wallet rig made for the Seecamp, which I believe the ATF has since made illegal, made that gun really shine in a "stick 'em up" scenario. And I understand, as wildalsaka notes, that praticing head shots at 5 feet or 5 yards is a good idea. I did the same thing (often got keyholes with the Silvertips.)
And the only time in my life that I was carrying and felt I MIGHT have to draw my weapon, I was carrying a Seecamp. I guess it would have done the job if I did "my part."
But since the S&W hides just as well for me in my everyday clothing, and on weekends I usually carry a larger gun in an OWB holster, and since I have more faith in the +Ps, I have long since opted to carry the revolver in the right front pocket.
I will say Seecamps are beautifully made. I believe Larry S. went to CNC maching years ago and hired more staff? I see more and more of these guns on dealers shelves nowadays for "normal" prices, i.e. $400+ and not rthe $600 or so I paid NIB several years ago.
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well guys, i think it will be the seecamp when all is said and done.
i have a ti .38 and there are times it just looks rediclous in my pocket. yea, the wallet look, but a huge freaking wallet. in some pants its fine, while in others its a joke that fools no one.
now as to real pocket guns that dont print at all let alone like Thirston Howel the III's wallet......the seecamp will get the nod based on longevity. the kelteks look good but they seems to always have to go back the shop for "adjustments" or pin replacements....in a few years when all the bugs are worked out im sure i'll reconsider. but for now i need it right , right out of the box, and seecamp will give me better odds of that happening.
the naa .32 is a nice compromise to the seecamp, but its just that, a compromise. its just not as refined, and at the same price, where is the advantage other than fmj compliant?
the larger naa .380 and 32naa, well if the weight wasnt an issue, id have to look really hard at them.
the pm9, well its a bit out of my price range.
now, in 20 years if the 2nd amndt isnt abolished, a seecamp will still be going strong. they have that kind of track record already.
thanks for all the input guys. its good to share and see other ideas to help formulate a better understanding of whats out there.
p.s. this will be a b.u.g. in the real world sense. not a primary but a point blank back up or an exterior pocket of a sports coat gun when your primary is under a buttoned blazer......in other words, deep concealment. it is not meant to replace a 2" .38 that i usually carry as a bug, just a suppliment when warrented.
i have a ti .38 and there are times it just looks rediclous in my pocket. yea, the wallet look, but a huge freaking wallet. in some pants its fine, while in others its a joke that fools no one.
now as to real pocket guns that dont print at all let alone like Thirston Howel the III's wallet......the seecamp will get the nod based on longevity. the kelteks look good but they seems to always have to go back the shop for "adjustments" or pin replacements....in a few years when all the bugs are worked out im sure i'll reconsider. but for now i need it right , right out of the box, and seecamp will give me better odds of that happening.
the naa .32 is a nice compromise to the seecamp, but its just that, a compromise. its just not as refined, and at the same price, where is the advantage other than fmj compliant?
the larger naa .380 and 32naa, well if the weight wasnt an issue, id have to look really hard at them.
the pm9, well its a bit out of my price range.
now, in 20 years if the 2nd amndt isnt abolished, a seecamp will still be going strong. they have that kind of track record already.
thanks for all the input guys. its good to share and see other ideas to help formulate a better understanding of whats out there.
p.s. this will be a b.u.g. in the real world sense. not a primary but a point blank back up or an exterior pocket of a sports coat gun when your primary is under a buttoned blazer......in other words, deep concealment. it is not meant to replace a 2" .38 that i usually carry as a bug, just a suppliment when warrented.
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Heft is not the word I would use. I don't even know mine is there at 13oz loaded. The word I use to describe them compared to the Kel-tec is solid and confidence inspiring. Ok that's three words.
And with the Autauga I don't have to worry about the magazine release accidently getting pressed while it's in my pocket.Btw, I thought it was worth mentioning: I can't get my Autauga to dimple the primers when chambering. It's a lower serial number than yours: AO39X.
I've still only fired 12 rounds through it, but I've carried it everyday since I bought it with the spare mag in a knife pouch for a "tactical reload".
alamo
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Serial number is AO39X? I've seen quite a few of them but haven't seen any with letters in the serial number. I have 2 that are 14XX and I've seen them up to 3,000+. About 3,200 were made. I've not seen any with serial numbers below 1,000 though so maybe they used letters on those.
It is called the Autauga MK II because there were some problems with the first run of them so they were recalled & replaced.
It is called the Autauga MK II because there were some problems with the first run of them so they were recalled & replaced.
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I think maybe I'm "misremembering" in the terminology of George W. I haven't carried my Autauga in a few months now since I got my P-3AT broken in. Mine probably does have an "A" in front the 14XX. I'll have to get them out of the safe tonight to doublecheck.
I thought WonderNine was saying A Oh on his serial # but that must be A zero
I thought WonderNine was saying A Oh on his serial # but that must be A zero
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WonderNine
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Yes, zero.
I got a chance to shoot it some more yesterday. Had a dud with a Winchester Silvertip. The primer was hit plenty hard, definately not the gun. Also had one failure to feed out of the about 35 total rounds fired. The slide tried to close before the round came up.
Those Silvertips are just too anemic and barely working the slide, especially when it's got lint in it. It actually threw alot of the cases forward
. I won't be buying any Silvertips ever again.I also fired too many rounds, now I only got 6 in my main magazine and 4 rounds in the backup.
alamo
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I talked to the owner of Autauga when they were in business. They all used Gold Dots so that's what I use. I've used Silvertips & Federal Hydrashok once, no problems with any ammo.
WonderNine
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I'm going to switch to Fiocchi 60grs. because they're a little bit hotter and don't expand so much. They got the best penetration of hollowpoints in Golden Loki's tests. The Corbon is probably the hottest HP, but it expands like crazy and underpenetrates like the Silvertip.
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