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spina bifida

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Howdy all. I'm looking to start carrying a concealed weapon sometime in the future and I need some advice. As you can see by my username, I have spina bifida. I am confined to a wheelchair. I have full use of my arms and everything else above my knees. I just can't walk. I would like to know your opinion on CCW holsters for a guy in a wheelchair. I'm in a manually (arm) powered Quickie wheelchair. I will be carrying a semiauto handgun of some sort. Responses from people in wheelchairs or who know CCW holders that are in a wheelchair are preferred, but all advice is welcome.
 
Friend of mine is in a chair. He carries in a planner or hip pack. I think the hip pack would be the better choice since it is more secured to your body.
 
I do not have it, but one of my best friends in college had Spina Bifida so I'm familiar with the condition. (for those of you in Utah, he is the guy from the Pegleg Paintball logo, I kid you not) :)

You have some different options. Standard belt holsters are pretty much out. Most of them are meant to ride on the hip, or behind it so your draw stroke would be messed up, plus it probably wouldn't be very comfortable.

Shoulder holsters are good, however they require some sort of jacket or concealing garment to cover them up.

Belly bands worn around the torso under a shirt are an option as well. Belly bands take a little getting used to, but once you are used to them they work well. I've used one for several years now.

This is one case where fanny pack carry in the lap might be really handy as well. That would give you the added benefit of being able to carry spare magazines in the same place.

I would advise against having the gun attached to the chair rather than your person. If you did that then you are looking at the possibility of losing it if you are seperated from your chair, (like in an attack, or perhaps in the car). I don't know about you, but my buddy could also use crutches, (the kind with the plastic thing that wraps around your arm) so he would often leave his chair for long periods.

Just my opinion.
 
taking correia's point into account... assuming you *don't* intend to leave the chair (just in general), then could you perhaps conceal (and secure!) a long gun, assuming that's legal? they say a handgun is for fighting your way back to your rifle, and i'm wondering if you've got the ability to have both.

a pistol in a fanny pack is one thing, but a shotgun under the seat... :)
 
Welcome to THR

First of all, welcome and thanks for joining us SB.

Second, I have no direct experience, but I am an instructor, so I'll at least try to be of service...

I would suggest either a shoulder rig, or something along the lines of what MJ indicates. A good shoulder rig will give you better access to a reload - be it moon clip, speed loader, or magazine for a semi auto. Any sort of belt or hip holster will have slightly impeded access by the arms of the chair. The other "advantage" should be that you could get to and present a gun from a good shoulder holster using only 1 hand.

Hope this helps.
 
While I can walk, I sometimes have to resort to a wheelchair due to chronic respiratory problems. I have carried ccw for quite a few years. so maybe I can offer some insight.
I have found that my preferences boil down to 3 basic holster types. In cooler weather, I usually use a shoulder rig...horizontal carry. During warmer weather, I use either crossdraw or a fanny pack worn in front (my favorite). This is definately the most convenient carry method, and as said, you can more easily carry extra ammo, wallet, knife, etc. No one notices the pack when you're in the wheelchair. Hope thi helped. Welcome to the board.
 
spina bifida,
Welcome To THR !

Having some friends in Wheelchairs, and having worked with some folks in regard to CCW, I agree with Correia.

I clicked on the link Al provided.

On person is highly recommended. It is sad, but not uncommon that a wheelchair person gets separated from chair - or hung up in the chair if using a lap /chest restraint. If gun is on / in chair, it cannot be accessed.

[this from student whom in fact had been mugged, as he was entering his van with the auto lift , he was pulled off the lift. He went one way his Amigo ( tm) went the other]

Fanny packs, cross draw ( IWB or OWB), belly bands seem to work best.

The student with the Amigo, chose crossdraw,, Kimber Pro Carry. He decided to carry a BUG as well( mini Revo) in trouser pocket if ever again he became separated from Amigo. WE learned from HIS sharing of experience.

The ladies tend to like the fanny packs, especially one lady who had problems with her weak hand as well.


HTH
 
Thanks for kind welcome everyone. The point about concealing the handgun on me and not on the chair is a good one. I have no seatbelt or brakes, so I would imagine that if a criminal really wanted to throw me, he could. I also registered with the gun zone website and posted this query over there. I want to get as many different opinions as possible.
 
I use a Quickie II manual chair. For on chair, it's hard to beat an Advantage Bag ( www.grovergear.com ) I use the Down Under WH175, but I mount it on the back.

Otherwise a sholder rig would be your best bet.

Good Luck...

Joe
 
I think someone is asking this in your behalf on another forum.
Here's my response:

For a start, the strong-side draw is out.
It's almost impossible to draw from a strong-side holster when you have to get a hand between your body and the side of the chair.

Cross draw works VERY well, as does a modern horizontal shoulder holster.

SELECTED fanny packs work VERY well. The key here is to remember the pack ISN'T hanging down like an apron as is normal, it's LAYING on your lap.
For this reason, pick one that unzips all the way around, and fully exposes the gun for a quick draw.

You're usually better off with a model that uses an internal holster, and BE SURE the holster can be placed into the pack in a vertical position.
Those that are attached in a fully horizontal position are slower to draw while sitting, and worse, won't retain the gun properly with the pack open.
In other words, be careful that when the pack is "ripped" open, the gun won't be flipped out or slide out of position.

The Tunnel-type fanny packs also work for some people, but make sure you can get your hand into the tunnel quickly.

Some people can use an ankle holster from a chair, but this suffers from many of the same disadvantages of the ankle holster as other people have: Getting banged against a car while getting out, requiring baggy, stiff pants both to speed the draw as well as to conceal it, etc.

Black holsters or packs are best, since they blend in quite well with the typical black chair.

MAKE ABSOLUTELY SURE to provide a method of carrying spare ammo. True, most fights are over in less than 5 shots, but if you use a chair, they'll be no ducking, running, or taking cover. You may be required to "stand" and fight it out, so carrying spare reloads is a must.

In all holster/carry methods, make sure the magazine catch on an auto isn't accidentally pressed while getting in and out of cars, or moving around.
This is a critical "watch-out" as it's very common for chair users to check the gun after a day, and find the magazine isn't seated and locked.
In any gun this is bad news, but with a gun equipped with a magazine disconnect, it's catastrophic.
The best preventive is a stiff holster that protects the magazine catch along with a stiffer mag catch spring, if needed.

Practice the draw, and VERY important, practice shooting at close range with the gun held close to the body, to prevent the gun from being grabbed.
From a chair, this is best done by holding the gun braced against the lower chest.

NEVER let anyone know you're carrying, (the word gets out) and NEVER, EVER "threaten" with it. A "bad guy" should realize you're armed ONLY when he sees the muzzle flash as you fire.

Take care in gun selection.
Ideally, you want a "Pull-Point-Shoot" gun. That is, something like a revolver or modern auto like a Kahr Arms that have no external safeties that need to be fumbled with. You simply pull it out and shoot it.

Make sure you have a great modern weapon....A cell phone.
 
I knew a guy who was in a wheelchair in Berkeley, CA, and was mugged a total of four times. ALL incidents began with him being thrown out of the chair by surprise.

So expect that. Plan for it. That means on-body carry.
 
My experiences are with friends in Quickie II models. One female had never had a firearm. We went though CCW together. I was her enabler. Perfect score. Her choice in weapons were a Ruger P-85, MKII and a Rossi 38. Rossi 38 was for door pocket carry. She carried the P-85 in a chest pack. She became a bullseye shooter with the MKII. A second friend used a fanny pack. He kept three Kel-Tec 9MMs around him. One in his truck door pocket, one in the fanny pack and one in a dayplanner off body. I know a couple of social workers at the center for accessibilty. They can carry only off site and only in their POV. They both carry multiple handguns. The argument made by all is that they cannot reload easily. They can just keep pulling another pistol. One other benefit of a chest pack is that they don't interfere with colostomy bags or urinary catheters too bad.
 
I knew a guy who was in a wheelchair in Berkeley, CA, and was mugged a total of four times. ALL incidents began with him being thrown out of the chair by surprise.


jeez how low can crimials get
 
Quite low.

They also raped him following two of those muggings :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:.

Did I mention he had severe cerebral palsy?

:fire:
 
I use a IWB crossdraw. I am in a Quickie powerchair though so theres no tires near my hip. The shoulder holster would be a good idea but make dang sure that its comfortable. I know when I push in my manual it brings the inner elbows inward and close to my torso. I dont think anyone has mentioned it yet or not. But I sometimes carry ankle holster. Its easy and pretty quick since all you have to do is bend forward and grab. I would probably keep that as a BUG (back up gun) option only though. Since it requires you to probably loose control of your chair when reaching down for it.

If you can, try to learn one-handed shooting as well. I cant since I dont have the strength. However that option allows you to shoot while keeping a hand on your wheel and keep you from turning, like if you were on a slight hill and needed to engage someone, it would be very hard to do while you turning and moving. Heh... I'm curious do you ever bring a leg up and rest it the others knee. When I do that with an ankle holster I can have my hand resting on the gun. (I usually do that in situations where I come into contact with a possiable threat but dont want them to know I'm prepared. From someone else looking at me it just looks like I have my leg crossed and my hand resting on my leg.)

Another options is SOB (small of back) In my situation theres enough gap between the back of the chair and my back. So it all depends on your situation. And how tight fitting your chair is.

Ive never tried fanny or belly simply cause I must bend forward a lot to pick stuff off the ground and it would dig right into my gut.

G'luck

Edited to add:

Take a look at Crimson Trace grips. The laser would help you one-handed point shoot while keeping the other free for whatever need be.

www.crimsontrace.com
 
I'd also recommend calling or emailing some of the custom holster makers, like Alessi or Brommeland, and see what they have to say. They may be willing to make something custom that would fit your needs.
 
Spina Bifida,

Welcome to THR. I hope you stick around, it's a great place. I had a good friend in elementary school with Spina Bifida. Hmm, I should give him a call, I haven't talked to him in a long time! :)

As far as holsters go, I am fairly new to the handgun carrying game so take this with a grain of salt. I'd recommend a cross-draw belt holster, or an appendix carry. Both of those are more comfortable to wear while sitting than hip carry. I would also recommend on-body carry for the same reasons mentioned above.

Have you given any thought to the particular firearm you'll be carrying? If not, I'm sure people here will have a whole lot of advice if you want to ask. We do love to talk here... ;)

Good luck and please keep us "in the know" regarding your progress and final decision.
 
SB, having read what others say, I tend to agree with the recommendation for a fanny pack-type holster. I would assume that the most common CCW holsters--Inside Waistband--would get uncomfortable after long periods of sitting. At least, mine do after several hours of sitting.

I think maybe one advantage of being in a chair is that you don't have to be concerned about a slim profile of your carry gun. Most carriers I know choose semi-autos because the bulge of a revolver is harder to conceal when standing and using a holster that is positioned at the side of your waist.

With a fanny pack, in a chair, that concern is gone and I would tend more toward a revolver for reliability. May be a good application for a 7-or-8 shot .357 mag.

On the other hand, the stories about being thrown from a chair, make me think the biggest concern would be how easy is it to draw from strange positions. That might favor a shoulder holster. I believe that might be easier to draw from after a throw. The fanny pack might get re-positioned in the fall. Then you'd have to fumble on the draw. Bad stuff. If the shoulder holster keeps the firearm well-positioned regardless of your position, it might be the easier draw.
 
I have no experience in a wheelchair, but it seems to me that in addition to the fine ideas already presented, cargo pockets might be useful. Assuming you can dress casually, of course. Pants with thigh cargo pockets, especially those more towards the front of the pant leg would be easily accessible either sitting or on the ground. Might be a fine place for a BUG.

You might need a tailor's help to get the right location and size of pocket, but it can be done.
 
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