When is too much 'TOO MUCH'

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Well for the first day off from law school (1st semester of 2nd year and last exam was yesterday) I thought I'd get a nice hard three hour workout in start at 5 in the morning, go to the range (hadn't been in just over a month and I usually go once every two to three weeks) for a couple of hours, drop off the five hundred pounds [came out just a little more at the salvage yard] of aluminum cans sitting in my room along with the fifty pounds of cut up aluminum pool furniture (around $340 for a month), get 13 of my twenty three customers yards mowed (net 20 bucks profit a yard, five goes into don't touch future mower purcahse [for five years now], five into living expenses, five into after law school savings, and five into indulgence spending (books, guns, and ammo stockups) and get started on a painting project one of my yard mowing customers hired me to do (five hundred to do the whole inside of their two thousand square foot). And then passing out from exhaustion (fiancee is visiting parents).

Well I'm taking a break after painting all the bathrooms in the house and, hallways and the kitchen is freshly done (easiet, quickest, and gets 60% of the house done) when a neighbor whom I've maybe shared ten words with the whole time I lived in the neighborhood as a kid comes over and talks to me with some interest as I'm filling my paint sprayer up. He asks "you are a gun guy right?" in the middle of me answering a previous question about what I was up to with law school. He's a nice older guy, early 60's, clean looking, and a thick Italian Chicago accent. We talk a little further and agree that after I finished in a couple of hours doing the guest bedroom (going to finish the house Sunday, let the paint sit to make sure it's coming out right).

So I knock on his door, he lets me in, we talk and it turns out he's a retired Chicago Police Detective, moved to Florida after his wife passed from cancer so he could be close to his daughter and two grandkids (I've seen them come around once or twice a month back when I lived with my parents). He turned gunnie after moving down back in the mid 90s but had a number of revolvers from back when he was a detecitve and foot guy.

Well he opens his safe that he shows me and it's filled top to bottom with Smith and Wessons, most .357 Magnums and .38 specials with the occassional 1911 and Colt revolver. Of course I almost druelled. He bends down and picks up a 6" barrel S&W. "That's a 19-4" he says I as I look over a near mint revolver, blueing is 98+-. He hands me a bore light and I look inside the bore and while it is not pristine its' certainly in the very good to excellent range. Of course I'm pretty much completely ignorant of Smiths with the exceptions of 642s, 629s, and 625s.

We talk a little more, we both happen to be day traders, both made money off the Citibank deal, were both managing to rake three to five hundred bucks off this crappy week of trading. He then tell me he's going to get a Smith M22 5.5", which I gush about how I want one someday after a few more pickups and I reload. He then asks how much I think he could get for the 19-4 and I admit I have no clue but I'd hand him $200 for it that minute in a laughing joking kind of way.....So it turns out he had shopped the gun around trying to sell it get some proceeds for the new M22 5.5" Nickel model he wanted and the best offer he got was $150 after talking to gun shops, pawn shops, and the gun show. Luckily I had the cash in my pocket pressed inside my pocket between my leg and snub .357. The guy was of course a little miffed when I pulled out considerably more than what I said I would pay for the gun but we both laughed about how he should have asked for more after we wrote up a sale receipt and he e-mailed me from his home computer the serial number and consent for sale. In Florida we can do FTF private sales.

But the best thing about it all. After I got my book bag, wrapped the revolver in a shammy towel I had in my truck, he asked about me painting the inside of his neighbors house. How I was doing a $2000+ job for only $500 with guaranteed work and if I can't get it done right, I hand the money back, and I have that good reputation in the neighborhood because I've done five other houses in the neighborhood. So now I'll be painting the outside of his house for him after Christmas for an afternoon for $500 (he got quoted over $1500 by an outfit he wasn't familiar with that had over two dozen BBB complaints in one year). So now I've got a relatively new gun (old gun in great condition) and am getting paid three hundred dollars for owning it (more than likely, lol) LMAO.

Trouble is, I don't think I can buy anymore hanguns for like another ten years, got my fiancees P90(I own it, she gets it when we marry, but she's going to shoot it like mad like the other one I own), the TT-33 I ordered and paid for is due in next week which I was planning to do a 9x23 conversion on(already got 350+ plus Romanian surplus rounds for it for less than 10 cents a round after shipping), the Ruger Redhawk 4" .44 I picked up used, the Rossi snub .357, for just this year. I can well afford it off my blue collar work, also will start bar backing at a local bar(walk two blocks) every Friday and Saturday night for till after new years which will put an extra 200-250 in my pocket for the two days depending on how the nights go, sometimes more if the bikers show up.

But like all things, how much is too much. A couple of months ago I came to a realization that after a certain point, if I was going to get another handgun, it was going to be because I had purchased machine equipment, power tools galore, make my one day in the future home workshop look like a catalog from Harborfreight, and that I had built it legally. Maybe a Dillon 9x25 1911 with a custom ordered 7" barrel and 7" slide, maybe if Fusion ever gets around to making a wide frame 1911 10mm for high capacity I'd get one of those and make myself a little indulgent project. And now I think I've reached that point, I've done 1911s with my Uncle the fiend but those were part orders that only required minor handfitting and tuneing. Granted I'd love to also do that with AKs (an AK that shoots .243 [there are guys who have done it], 25-06, .45 ACP [guys who have done it], maybe even if I'm really lucky .44 Magnum[probably be a real PITA figuring that out], ressurrect old Soviet pieces into semi-auto pistols and carbines (PPSH 43, PPSH 41). I already figured out how to do most of that stuff, it's just a matter of having the space and place.

So until I become a homeowner I won't be buying anymore handguns, I can do AK kits, got the jigs and I know guys who can teach me to do it by hand. It's going to be a real long wait.

The pic is from my cell phone, I know it's horrible quality but best I could and I had already moved my 400lbs safe in front of my rifle safe and put the 19-4 in there and I don't feel like moving the safe again to get it.

So thoughts and opinions on the S&W 19-4, anything I should watch for that's peculiar to the make and model, it's mechanically sound on timing, smooth like butter trigger pull that feels considerably less than 5lbs, and locks up tight, no rust, no pitting.

Oh the top revolver is the Ruger Blackhawk 7.5", just below it is the 19-4, then a heritage rough rider .22lr, and then my other key CCW Rossi snub .357.
 

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Are you satisfied with everything you have? If I don't feel a need for a certain weapon I'm not going to pick it up.

I'm done buying the mid range guns. Now the only thing I might do is either pick up an STI 2011 or patiently wait for some other manufacturer to develop a good quality all metal weapon like it.

I wouldn't say you're buying too much at all. I mean look at women with 80 pairs of shoes.

Some men just collect weapons. It's a guy thing.
 
How much is too much? Anything more than about six paragraphs, for me at least.

And thanks for asking! :p
 
You are moving into "too much" territory when your action(s) are driven by want instead of need, and/or hypothetically missed opportunities instead of practical/provable realities.

Please don't mistake my comment as talking-down or whatever. I'm an adult with huge personal and professional responsibilities...but it has taken me YEARS to really learn to distinguish/act on the basis of what I've said.

There are lots of studies linking "too many choices" to depression...and it seems to fit. The more consumeristic and/or opportunistic a society becomes, the more depression and other disorders rear their ugly heads.

Think about it...the societies with school shootings, mall shootings, terrible family tragedies, high rates of mood/mental disorder, etc, are generally the consumer societies, and thanks to "progress" we can see examples of this in our own lifetimes IE countries that have literally skyrocketed from 3rd world status to pockets of affluence start exhibiting the same "ills" that we've seen and been stunned by in developed countries.

I'm waaaaayyyy off track, OP. Sorry.

Bottom line: do you have what you need? Then you've got just enough, and give yourself a "happiness pass" (as fruity and lame as that sounds ;) )
 
All I can say is... Wow! Man, you've got way more energy than I had at your age. More power to you. I know that your can-do attitude is going to serve you very well throughout your life.

I would echo AKGuy's advice, except to say that "what you need" may vary from person to person. If you actually have a passion for collecting firearms the same way others collect fine art or classic cars, and it is something that you can afford to do without significantly impacting either yours or your family's financial state, and if it doesn't significantly impact whatever retirement plan you have in place (you do have one in place, don't you?), then buy as many as your collection "needs." There is something to be said for people who regard themselves as self-appointed curators of firearms history.

OTH, if what you "need" is a couple of revolvers and maybe a rifle or a shotgun, then just get those.

In other words, be very clear that you understand what "need" means in the context of your life, and then be sure to re-examine that from time to time to make sure that your perspective remains well centered.
 
Well

I guess if you leave the residence for work / school in the morning and can't close the door behind you because of all the guns you own, you MIGHT have exceeded paractical needs :evil:
 
It wasn't so much a question of want or need, the latest purchase. It was, it's there, I can more than afford it, and it was good gun for $200. My Uncle came by to drop off a pot his wife bought and wasn't happy with, free stuff, and I told him about it. He got miffed when I wouldn't move the safe and he wasn't too eager to try when I said he could. Of course I got lectured how the 627 and 686 were far superior.

He told me it's not per se a collector item but if it was in good shape it should last a plenty long time with .357 magnum being fired out of it but would be a token to pass onto the grandkids should I only feed it .38 special. I'll see how much I enjoy shooting it when I take it to the range after Christmas. I'm not interested in being a collector but I'd like to tinker with restorations, conversions, and modifications. I was more trying to say I reached my limit. Don't know how to say it but I don't feel I can in good conscience buy another handgun. Yeah could I up my rifle stock from an SKS, Yugo 8mm Mauser, CETME, and my shotgun stock to more than just my 12 guage. Yeah but.... while I'm certainly putting lots of money in the bank, my rent is paid by trade-in-labor till the end of March....but.... I can't bring myself to buy more. This is the first time I've spent so much money in my whole life with except maybe my truck that I bought for only 2k at a forefeiture auction (Durango 99' I've had for six years).

Got everything else in life plenty stocked, got savings to pay all my expenses (health insurance, rent, groceries, gas) to last more than a year if I spent the same. And yeah I do have a retirement plan in place, and yes I'm only 24, granted it's nothing more than buying fifty bucks in government bonds every month (been doing it since I was eighteen) and a few long term investment setups in various pharmacy and medical technology funds.

I'm not disparaging anyone elses spending and buying, if you can afford it to no one else expense (kids, wife) than have fun. I just can't bring myself to do anymore handgun buying. But...it's just one of those things, I mean maybe I feel guilty. I do know rather than just taking $20 and buying toys for toys for tots this year I'll do $50, there's a real big shortage this year and hey I can affort it.
 
Dude, you seem insane, but you have your **** together way more than i do... i'm 2 years older than you and about 15 years less mature (economically and future-wise)
 
Consumption is a powerful demon.... we all fight it.

Take it from an attorney that's practiced several years - there will be fat years and lean ones. Make sure your spending habbits don't get the best of you. Live within your means.

However, that said, snatch up ALL good gun deals when you can. There are many on this board that talk about absurdly cheap guns they passed up on that they regret.

One piece of advice, never pay retail if you can avoid it. Buy used when you can.

Best of luck.
 
I missed a deal on a Russian SKS once for $125.
Buy as much as you can reasonably afford if you want them.

And I've found that after you own some guns and do some buying and selling, you'll kind of figure out what your practical limits are. For me, that's probably about 10 or so max (unless I get into reenacting some day, in which case I'll need a rifle musket too). For my one uncle, that was over 500 guns!
Whatever floats your boat...
 
FWIW...I have to talk myself out of acquiring stuff just about every other day...I can do a darn good job of justifying whatever the object of the moment is to me and everyone else...but I usually know when I'm trying to BS even my own darn self! I've found that waiting/putting stuff "back on the shelf" at least 2x and seeing if I forget about it helps me protect me from...me!

Like other folks said, though--if you are truly building a collection, then have at it and cut yourself whatever slack you need. Sometimes the need isn't for the thing itself, it's for the diversion/hobby that the thing supplants...
 
Any time you are able to make a great buy like you did on the 19-4, do it. So long as you're not spending otherwise needed/budgeted money on your hobby, and you're willing to sell all those great buys if you absolutely have to, then go for it.
As far as undercutting painting contractors as much as you did, that's lame. They pay license, taxes and insurance, and I'm assuming you don't. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Zac
 
Nice 19's are hard to come by, if you want to start a S&W brace, then a 19 is one of the required numbers. I think the -4's still were P&R'ed, very desirable.
You could consider it an investment. Does he have the box and papers?
 
Another point I'll add is that cash is king.

I mentioned not buying retail... but another key component is just sitting on your cash until a great deal comes along. Patient is the hunter! Great deals come around once in awhile, and I suspect that 2009 will be the year of great deals on guns, tools, cars, homes, motorcycles, etc...

If you've been sitting on cash you're in the drivers' seat so to speak. But if you've been blindly spending money and buying things at retail prices for the last decade, you're probably suffering now.
 
make money in your spare time writing....:D:D

sometimes watching others work makes me uncomfortable...and just reading re your energy level started me to feeling thusly. +1 on focus and maturity.

after all is paid & saved whats leftover is your discretionary money. if you liked silver & gold--think coins, and guns; if you come across something you already have [ and have $ to play with] you get it. want or need---ya ya ya---rather cuase it pleases you and you can afford it and it will be worth near term pretty much what you paid and even more as time goes on.
indulge now as marriage & kids will likely mean what you didnt buy before you wont have the $$ for than.
 
I am tuckered out just reading the O.P.'s post. I need to hit the sack. But to answer his question about the Smitty 19: Do a search of this site. much good information on a subject that has surely been covered many times. In short, it's a fantastic and beautiful gun. However....the gun was designed for the 158gr magnum loads. The newer and hotter 125gr loads can beat up and crack the forcing cone. Just stick with sub-magnum loads or the heavier 158gr Mags and you should be fine.

Maybe you can work out an arrangement with your neighbor. Every time he needs work done you pick out a gun from his safe....um, plus expenses for the job of course!
 
Just depends on your priorities and disposable income. That is a sweet pic. Sounds like you're pretty smart to make money as a gambler (day trader - same thing), so here in a few years, you should have money to buy plenty more - be patient - you will have a lot more time and money eventually to get more and shoot more.
 
Perhaps you should buy a decent camera before you buy another gun:)

THR members need to see nice pictures.

But to answer your question, I would love to have a M19. As well, I recommend that you read and commit to memory the outstanding Jim March sticky "Revolve Checkout".
 
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That's the worst pic I've ever seen. Of anything. LOL :D

Congrats on the deal... you sound like you have your head on straight.

How much is too much?

Come back and post when you have your safe full to the brim with S&Ws like that guy.

Then buy another safe. :D
 
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To my mind, when speaking about firearms, the term "too much" equals
"more than you can master."

I would almost rather master a few designs and have duplicates of them than
have too many un-mastered dust-gatherers.

More ammo is always the answer!!!!
 
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