When you've held your tongue for just long enough....

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Ok THR, I had an encounter today that was too good to not post. I'm usually more of a reader than I am a poster, but I figured I'd share the encounter I had today at the local Wally-world. Due to the rareness of my posting, this one is a long one. I guess I got a bit into it ;)

Before the story of the day begins, a little background might build the suspense. It all started about 3 years ago when my buddies and I, all in our late teens at the time, would go shoot at Delaware State Park off of Route 23. We'd stop at the Wal-mart along the way to pick up ammunition and range passes, and there's this older gentleman that works behind the gun counter. He serves up a heck of a lot more than service; mainly in the form of stories so tall they make politicians look like honest men. He's got his speech down to the letter, and when you show up, it goes something along the line of, "Boys, I was in Defense Intelligence, and I know my guns. I've got more than 40,000 firearms, I'm a sponsored shooter for Barrett International, and major firearm's producers call ME before they even put a new product on the market. The boys at Norton's gun shop up the road know me real well. Go up there and tell 'em I sent you, and they'll cut you a deal cause they know I'm the gun guy!"

Now here's the problem. My buddies and I don't always shoot together, and because this guys BS has been such a longstanding joke, we've made it a point to tell each other whatever this salesman says whenever one of us goes up to the range without the others. Sometimes this guy claims to be Defense Intelligence, sometimes he's a retired Law Enforcement Officer, or other times he was an operative for Blackwater USA (even though Blackwater began operations in 1997, and this guy is definitely in his mid 60s). Sometimes he's got 20,000 guns, sometimes he's got 33,000, or sometimes he just owns so many he can't even begin to imagine the count (No, those numbers are NOT hyperbolic!).

One would think that because he owns more guns than a museum and spends so much time shooting free ammunition from Barrett International in competition: rolleyes: that he would at least be competent in handing a customer a firearm, but alas this has not been the case. I once asked to hold the Mini-14 he had behind him in the cabinet, and after directing him towards the rifle section and away from the shotguns, he proceeds to tell me that he owns 6 of them. As always, I safety inspected the weapon, which included locking the bolt to the rear, and after having a look I passed it back to him. He then spends about 5 minutes trying to figure out how to get the bolt to release to the forward position, and since I was having too much fun laughing to myself, I didn't have time to assist him in operating the rifle: evil:. I figured that despite having to help him differentiate between rifles and shotguns, since he owned six Mini 14s amongst the other 39,994 firearms in his possession, he'd have it closed in no time. Of course he proceeded to remind me again that he owned 6 of them, bobbling the whole time.

Today, the 4 of us finally have the time to make a pilgrimage to the range together for the first time in over a year, and we make our stop at Walmart for ammo. On the way in, I couldn't help but mention, "5 bucks says our Special Operatives-Law Enforcement-Triple Force Recon-So-Cool-He-Has-His-Own-Category friend is going to be here today”, and sure enough, we get back to the gun counter and there he is. We asked to get into the ammo case, and my buddy says, "Can I get a box of Tula 9mm, please?" The salesman scrunches up his face, and in a grandiose voice goes, "I'm the gun guy, and if you shoot that stuff in your gun, it's gonna damage it! You need to listen to me!" My buddy isn't exactly a gun nut, and looks over at me for confirmation. I tell him, "Don't worry, the stuff shoots fine." The salesman glances over at the young usurper of his Holy Grail of Gundom and says louder this time, “I was Defense Intelligence, and that stuff is gonna hurt your gun!" I just keep my cool and retort with, "Mhm." He just stares at my buddy and indignantly responds, "It's your gun, do what you want." I step up to get a few boxes of shotgun shells, and politely ask for 2 boxes of 20 gauge and 12 gauge of the Federal stuff on sale for $5.95.He looks at me and says, "Are you bird hunting or shooting targets?" I think to myself, "Number 1, nowhere in my question did I suggest that you should be sticking your nose into what I do with my free time, and number 2, no game birds are open for hunting in the middle of summer, so you're only highlighting your own ignorance." I brisked off his question, and continued pointing at the boxes of shotgun shells that I wanted to purchase. He FINALLY grabs them and pontificates, “You don't want the #8 shot, # 7.5 shot patterns better than anything else! “I bite my tongue and resist the urge to respond, "You don't know the purpose of my shooting, which might mean that #8 shot would be a better decision than the #7.5, and you also don't know whether I'm shooting an open choke at 7 yards or a full choke at 40, which also might influence which shot I should use, amongst other things. Please shut your mouth.”
However, because I was raised better than that, I refrained, and instead chose to take a higher road and address the issue in a more effective manner. He goes to check me out, and is still going on with more drivel about guns, and hands me the receipt. He looks me in the face and condescendingly says, “ Have a good time shooting boys,” giving me my time to pounce with, “Sir, we would appreciate that the next time we come in here, IF we come in here again, you keep your opinions to yourself and only offer us the service that we request.” He gets defensive and plays his favorite line, “I’m retired Defense Intelligence, and I know my guns. You should listen to me!” Meanwhile, the manager who happens to be pretty close to my age is lingering behind him. He continues, “I’m a salesman, and it’s my right to offer my opinion!” I retort, “And it’s our right to not have to listen to it.” He stops what he’s doing and goes, ‘Well if you don’t like it, you can just talk to my manager!” Apparently he missed the manager lingering behind him and goes to radio him, and because I’m a stinker I say, “He’s right behind you.” My 3 buddies busted out laughing as the manager walks up to us after overhearing the salesman’s commentary, and asks how he can help. I tell him that we would appreciate if the salesman could keep his life story and commentary about our purchases to himself, and just offer us the service that we request. The manager happily agrees, we thank him, and proceed to go have a blast at the range with the ammunition that supposedly should destroy our firearms (No misfires or jams!).

I know there was a thread about the biggest whopper a salesman ever fed you in a gun related transaction, but have you ever had a situation this good it inspires you to do comedy? My buddies gave me a pretty good ribbing for ruining his “Defense Intelligence-Retired Law Enforcement Officer-Blackwater Operative” persona by blatantly ignoring it and probably getting him in trouble, but I’m still baffled at how he can claim to have done these things while simultaneously making $8 an hour at Wal-mart. Someone please tell me, where do they find these guys I read about on here so regularly?!
 
when I retire, I want to work the gun checkout at walmart, but unfortunately that means 90% of the time I would have to be out of site helping other departments it seems.

When I encounter a blabbermouth, I usually feel too sorry for them to even retort. If what they are saying interests me cool. If not, I think my brain has an internal mute button for incoming voice data.

Great story.
 
Is the Walmart in Delaware? I might stop in to have a chat with him.

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Funny story. What a nut job. In my experience there are plenty of blowhard know it all's in the gun community but that takes the cake.
 
Funny but sad. Guy must be lonely as hell.

It's harmless as long as it's just spouting. Sounds like he became more intrusive.
 
The best was the wine salesman at the local Kroger who was former CIA and a welding instructor. Best combo ever! :what:
 
That is funny. The guy who worked the sporting goods in our local walmart was weird also. He looked to be in his sixties. I would buy ammo there almost every week from him. He never did recognize me and always asked to see my ID.
Now I have to hunt for someone, and then they have to go hunt for the key to sell me ammo. The only reason I put up with it is that I can sneak the ammo purchases in with the grocery shopping and the wife doesn't know.
 
Everyone seems to be a know-it-all these days....

Although I generally keep my opinion to myself. Just get in, get what you need, and get out.
The only reason I put up with it is that I can sneak the ammo purchases in with the grocery shopping and the wife doesn't know.
If you're lying about your ammo purchases, I'd hate to know what else you've got in your closet!
 
I just wish my local WalMart would actually have someone at the gun counter. Usually if I want ammo there I have to spend 15 minutes tracking down someone who has the keys, and then they act like they're doing me a huge favor by helping me. I don't buy ammo there often. I'll spend a little more to get somewhat competent service.
 
Somewhere on a gun-forum far, far away is an old semi-retired guy who works at Wal~Mart part time to stay busy since his wife passed -
- he's started a forum-thread about 4 young whipper-snappers who stopped to buy supplies but they won't..........

.........well - I'm sure it's on another gun forum, lol!
 
I wish my local WalMart still had a gun counter. Back when it did, there was a guy in his 20s that used to work it. He said he just got out of the military, not sure if I believe him or not. I requested archery tags and got the nod of approval from him because archery was more of a challange then gun hunting. Of course, he hunts with throwing knives... Of course, the deer has to be close, pretty much right underneath you. And you throw them 5 at a time to up your chances. You wound one now and again, but its all in the sport........................... Where do they come from???
 
I love these "know it all" gun guys, listening to their wacky stories is great...

The last time I went on a skeet shoot I overheard a group of old guys talking about military weapons...

I really liked hearing about how great the Desert Eagle is and how it is the standard sidearm for the Israeli Military and what an amazing weapon it is.
 
Funny how this stuff works. Last time I was there, the gun counter guy at MY Wal-Mart felt like sharing stories with me about shooting at propane tanks while intoxicated.

...no joke.
 
About a year ago I had a problem purchasing a shotgun at Wally World. As they're running up the paper work it seems that the serial number on the gun and the description in the database were off. I was purchasing a 12 gauge and the database was saying that it was a 20 gauge. Needless to say my gun purchase took a total of 2 hours. I would have just said to heck with it but they had already done my background check so I just continued to wait while the cluster flop continued on. Before it was all said and done the store manager ends up getting involved and calling someone at the corporate level to get permission to change the database description. It was a total comedy of errors watching these idiots try and process this purchase. After it was all said and done they didn't even have the courtesy to offer me anything for my time or trouble waiting. That was the last thing "firearms related" that I purchased at Walmart. If they're going to sell guns and ammunition they really need to get their stuff together!!! More hilarious than the purchase was trying to watch the idiot behind the counter disassemble my gun. Finally after watching this moron for about 5 minutes I just asked for the gun and had it disassembled in about 30 seconds. I have nothing but laughter for anyone who would brag about working behind the gun counter at Walmart!
 
Getting on the other side of the gun-counter

It wasn't Wallie's, but no matter ... a sale was going on for 7.62x51, plus I had coupons. I bought 40 boxes, and the kid behind the counter asks, "Wow! Are you preparing for the revolution?!" "Nope" says I, "The revolution is over; my side won, and I'm a part of the occupation-forces." (I'm 73, and can only run a 30-sec. 100-yd dash. But I'm hell with a Lula-loader!) DAO
 
I think it's walmart policy to keep clueless people at the counter, I actually found a fellow shooter who worked the counter and knew guns (I think the guy got the job in the first place cause he was the one they always called over to do something with a gun)

Anywho, new assistant department manager,
she wants her boytoy at the counter
he went to toys

Sad thing was this guy was ALWAYS selling a gun whenever I went in, but he got moved for spending too much time 'talking' to the customers.
 
I remember one time at Wal-Mart I ran into a kid at the gun counter who had just turned 18 and wanted to surprise his dad and go moose hunting. So he was naturally buying a rifle and didn't know much. He then asked the person behind the counter, "what is the difference between these two rifles?" The reply he got was, "about 75 dollars."
OH MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In good conscience I could not let this go unattended. 1 1/2 hours later I finally left the store.
I'll agree on keeping the unknowing at the gun counter.
 
I actually saw a guy at the Wasilla store stop a kid who wanted a 'moose gun' from guying one of the really cheap one (less than 300 for the rifle and the glass)

he handed the kid the rifle, and said, "here work the bolt, try the trigger, I'm not supposed to tell you this, but you don't want this gun" he then handed him a significantly MORE expensive rifle and said, now try this. You can't afford this, but try this one, you'll have to buy a scope separately, but you'll be happier in the end.

I was surprised to say the least, a guy who knew something and made sense, he wasn't really 'selling' the kid a certain rifle, just trying to keep him from buying a crappy gun, and yeah, I know that doesn't say a bit about how either gun shoots, but I doubt a gun with bolt chatter will have an impressive group.
 
Ahhh... the good ol' Delaware public range. I spent a lot of years shooting back there before moving to Colorado. And, I spent a lot of time getting weird opinions from people at the local gun stores who thought they were ninjas (sadly, that didn't change when I moved west... lies and gun stores just seem to go together).

Not to thread-jack, but does that range still flood out all the time like it used to? I guess that's probably a natural consequence of building a range along a reservoir, but I still remember canceling more than one shooting trip when I got there to find a lake and a locked gate! Not like I'm some environmental nazi here or anything, but I always wondered what the lead levels must look like in that water!

Somehow I still get nostalgic when I think about that humble and overcrowded 100-yard range in the middle of Ohio. Of course, now I have a less crowded 600-yard range even closer to my house, and a 1,000-yrd facility about an hour away. I guess I won't cry too much over spilled that spilled milk ;)

But, if it makes you feel better, we don't seem to have Walmarts with gun counters around here for some reason. We are also a bit more limited in gun stores, at least in my opinion. But, our gun salespeople still lie like it's their job... I guess it probably happens due to all the training they had when they were spies for the CIA?

MY LATEST WEIRD GUN GUY STORY:


At the local Bass Pro Shops there is a guy behind the counter who routinely tells EVERYONE within ear shot about how great he is at everything/anything involving guns. Anyway, this guy has won every competition that ever existed, and beats the guys with "$7,000 rifles" when he shoots his bolt-action, off-the-shelf hunting rifle. Blah, blah blah, the ego rolls on.

His most amazing claim to fame is that he can easily/routinely shoot through a dime at 500-yards, from an unsupported standing position, with or without a scope. Right. I thought about betting him my rifle that I could shoot a better group than him at 500-yards, but such chest thumping really isn't my style. I just smiled and rolled my eyes as I walked away.

Unfortunately, it is usually these kind of idiots who give the worst possible advice to new shooters.
 
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Good read.
In a weird way I actually feel sorry for guys like that, must feel like garbage that you didn't do enough with your life, that at 60 years old you have to lie to your customers that you were some kind of Rambo-like man in your younger years, padding the truth left and right.

Thankfully, the rare times I go to my Wal-Mart for ammo, they are always straight and to the point, aside from the "Is this ammo for a rifle or a pistol?" after I hand them my ID. Does it matter? You see that I'm 21, whether I put them in my mouth and spit them at targets, or shoot them through my rifle/pistol, it's all the same.
Then again, that's a requirement they have, and it's not the employee's fault.
 
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