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Well, first of all I guess I should say hello, and introduce myself, since this is my first post on here. I'll put my introduction of myself and my current experience with guns and shooting in italics, so, those of you who aren't in the mood to read that stuff can just skip down to where it's not in italics anymore if you wish:
Hi everyone. My basic shooting/gun experience is as follows:
From age 10 till about age 12, I went to the shooting range almost every weekend for that 2 year period, with my dad, and we would shoot .22 rimfire rifles, aperture sights, @ 50 foot distance on small-bullseye target papers, prone, but hand held, no sandbags or gun rests or anything, just hand held with a sling (we did prone instead of standing because I was only 10-11 years, so I was too small and weak at the time to hold the gun steady for very long standing, whereas with prone I could shoot accurately for many hours, without fatiguing my arms).
We both became pretty decent at it over the 2 years that we did this, and by the time I was a late 11 or early 12 year old (we stopped going shortly after I turned 12), we were both getting our 5 shot groups within a quarter pretty much every time, usually within a nickel, and occasionally within a dime or better, which I think is pretty good, even though it was only a mere 50 foot distance and prone, considering that it was hand held aperture shooting, as in, we weren't resting the gun on anything, we were just holding by hand, and using just aperture sights, no scope to magnify the targets or anything. I don't know enough about actual marksmanship competitions to know if this is bragworthy sharpshooting or not, lol, but in my mind I think we were fairly decent shots by the end of our little shooting stint.
We also had this weird custom break barrel Encore rifle that my dad got with this special barrel that had a very slow rate of twist for its rifling, and he got one of those cartridge making/loading thingies where you make your own ammo at home however you want it to be, so, he bought these real fancy low grain bullets that would hold together at ultra high velocity when used in his special slow-twist rifling barrel he had on that gun, and was able to shoot at slightly over 5,000 ft/s (not a typo). We didn't shoot it much, it was just a geeky sort of toy to bring to the range every so often to show off to the friends we had at the range and vice versa when we were messing around with weird guns that people brought to the range every so often. It didn't really have much practical purpose or anything, lol.
And then after age 12, for the past 12 years I haven't done any shooting. My father passed away a couple years ago, and recently I became interested in guns/shooting again, and was browsing the internet, and found this site.
Anyway, I think I want to get a new rifle, but I want to do longer range target shooting with it.
I want to get the most accurate gun I can get for the least amount of money. And also one which shoots a popular ammo that isn't totally absurd pricewise compared to some of the rarer ammos.
So, I guess I am mostly trying to choose between getting a .223, a .308, or a .30-06.
I'm not sure which distances I'll be shooting at, but probably some fairly long range shooting, as well as some mid range.
I don't really know much about current rifles, or how accurate the .223, or .308, or .30-06 rifles are per increasing distances, in terms of shot group diameter per distance.
I was wondering anyone can point me to some results charts that show the shot group diameter values like:
.223
.308
.30-06
100m 200m 300m 400m 500m 600m
Where it shows like, a chart of how large the diameter of the shot groups are per incrementally increasing distances for the various calibers.
Just to clarify, I'm NOT looking for ballistics charts that show the bullet drop values per incremental distances per type of caliber.
I'm also NOT looking for bullet velocity or bullet energy charts that show the velocity or energy of different bullet calibers per incremental increasing distances.
I have found tons and tons of those sorts of charts. But that isn't what I'm looking for.
I am trying to find something where they show the shot group accuracy (in shot group diameter size) per incrementally increasing distances (like 100m, 200m, 300m, 400m, 500m, and so on and so forth) for various popular rifle calibers, like .223, .308, .30-06 etc.
If I remember correctly, good .223 ammo, in a good .223 bolt action rifle is supposed to be extremely accurate at 100 meters. However, I do not know how much the accuracy drops off for the .223 caliber compared to the .308 or .30-06 calibers as the distance increases.
Like, what I mean is, I'm not sure if the shot group diameter widens at a much faster rate for .223 than it does for .308 or .30-06 once the distances get longer, and if so, by how much.
So, if I were to be shooting at 500m for example, would a good .223 bolt action rifle with good .223 ammo still be able to shoot with anywhere near the accuracy of a good .308 bolt action rifle with good .308 ammo, is what I mean? Even if they might be the same at 100m, maybe at 500m, there is a wide gap in accuracy between the two.
I'd like to look at charts, that do this sort of a comparison challenge. I'm sure they exist, I just don't know where to find them, and have been looking for hours without any luck.
Maybe some of you have seen some of these sorts of charts and could point me to them, thanks!
Hi everyone. My basic shooting/gun experience is as follows:
From age 10 till about age 12, I went to the shooting range almost every weekend for that 2 year period, with my dad, and we would shoot .22 rimfire rifles, aperture sights, @ 50 foot distance on small-bullseye target papers, prone, but hand held, no sandbags or gun rests or anything, just hand held with a sling (we did prone instead of standing because I was only 10-11 years, so I was too small and weak at the time to hold the gun steady for very long standing, whereas with prone I could shoot accurately for many hours, without fatiguing my arms).
We both became pretty decent at it over the 2 years that we did this, and by the time I was a late 11 or early 12 year old (we stopped going shortly after I turned 12), we were both getting our 5 shot groups within a quarter pretty much every time, usually within a nickel, and occasionally within a dime or better, which I think is pretty good, even though it was only a mere 50 foot distance and prone, considering that it was hand held aperture shooting, as in, we weren't resting the gun on anything, we were just holding by hand, and using just aperture sights, no scope to magnify the targets or anything. I don't know enough about actual marksmanship competitions to know if this is bragworthy sharpshooting or not, lol, but in my mind I think we were fairly decent shots by the end of our little shooting stint.
We also had this weird custom break barrel Encore rifle that my dad got with this special barrel that had a very slow rate of twist for its rifling, and he got one of those cartridge making/loading thingies where you make your own ammo at home however you want it to be, so, he bought these real fancy low grain bullets that would hold together at ultra high velocity when used in his special slow-twist rifling barrel he had on that gun, and was able to shoot at slightly over 5,000 ft/s (not a typo). We didn't shoot it much, it was just a geeky sort of toy to bring to the range every so often to show off to the friends we had at the range and vice versa when we were messing around with weird guns that people brought to the range every so often. It didn't really have much practical purpose or anything, lol.
And then after age 12, for the past 12 years I haven't done any shooting. My father passed away a couple years ago, and recently I became interested in guns/shooting again, and was browsing the internet, and found this site.
Anyway, I think I want to get a new rifle, but I want to do longer range target shooting with it.
I want to get the most accurate gun I can get for the least amount of money. And also one which shoots a popular ammo that isn't totally absurd pricewise compared to some of the rarer ammos.
So, I guess I am mostly trying to choose between getting a .223, a .308, or a .30-06.
I'm not sure which distances I'll be shooting at, but probably some fairly long range shooting, as well as some mid range.
I don't really know much about current rifles, or how accurate the .223, or .308, or .30-06 rifles are per increasing distances, in terms of shot group diameter per distance.
I was wondering anyone can point me to some results charts that show the shot group diameter values like:
.223
.308
.30-06
100m 200m 300m 400m 500m 600m
Where it shows like, a chart of how large the diameter of the shot groups are per incrementally increasing distances for the various calibers.
Just to clarify, I'm NOT looking for ballistics charts that show the bullet drop values per incremental distances per type of caliber.
I'm also NOT looking for bullet velocity or bullet energy charts that show the velocity or energy of different bullet calibers per incremental increasing distances.
I have found tons and tons of those sorts of charts. But that isn't what I'm looking for.
I am trying to find something where they show the shot group accuracy (in shot group diameter size) per incrementally increasing distances (like 100m, 200m, 300m, 400m, 500m, and so on and so forth) for various popular rifle calibers, like .223, .308, .30-06 etc.
If I remember correctly, good .223 ammo, in a good .223 bolt action rifle is supposed to be extremely accurate at 100 meters. However, I do not know how much the accuracy drops off for the .223 caliber compared to the .308 or .30-06 calibers as the distance increases.
Like, what I mean is, I'm not sure if the shot group diameter widens at a much faster rate for .223 than it does for .308 or .30-06 once the distances get longer, and if so, by how much.
So, if I were to be shooting at 500m for example, would a good .223 bolt action rifle with good .223 ammo still be able to shoot with anywhere near the accuracy of a good .308 bolt action rifle with good .308 ammo, is what I mean? Even if they might be the same at 100m, maybe at 500m, there is a wide gap in accuracy between the two.
I'd like to look at charts, that do this sort of a comparison challenge. I'm sure they exist, I just don't know where to find them, and have been looking for hours without any luck.
Maybe some of you have seen some of these sorts of charts and could point me to them, thanks!